--- Log opened Tue Apr 27 00:00:53 2004
00:16:04 #corewars: < pkhuong> ?
00:16:13 #corewars: < pkhuong> afk in 30 secs
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14:12:48 #corewars: < Roy> Hi
14:24:41 #corewars: < brx> hi
14:26:34 #corewars: < Roy> argh...I have nothing to say :)
14:26:45 #corewars: < Roy> tell a intresting story, I'm bored :)
14:31:13 #corewars: < brx> okay
14:31:19 #corewars: < brx> i added a stone to enigma
14:31:25 #corewars: < Roy> ah
14:31:26 #corewars: < brx> and it is now koth on 94nop
14:31:33 #corewars: < brx> LOL, punked :)
14:31:59 #corewars: < brx> actually i am kind of frustrated
14:33:15 #corewars: < Roy> Not Punked :) I'm currently first AND second, and I'm watching it closely, so no new KOTH can arrive without me knowing :)
14:33:29 #corewars: < brx> :)
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14:53:07 #corewars: < Roy> Hi michal
14:53:09 #corewars: < michal> hey
14:54:37 #corewars: < Roy> Hows life?
14:56:50 #corewars: < michal> quite fine
14:57:14 #corewars: < michal> been busy recently
14:57:15 #corewars: < michal> and yours?
14:57:25 #corewars: < Roy> Haven't seen many warriors from you lately
14:57:41 #corewars: < Roy> My life it perfect, school, easy living for now
14:58:19 #corewars: < michal> i'm planning to write some warriors in a couple of months
14:58:49 #corewars: < michal> now i'm just thinking of names for them :)
14:59:07 #corewars: < Roy> Thats soo damn hard :)
14:59:26 #corewars: < Roy> Maelstrom was a pain in the *** to think of a name :)
14:59:32 #corewars: < Roy> And Frantic too
15:01:01 #corewars: < Roy> I was just looking at Ironic Imps....boy, LOT of stupid bugs there, and it got age > 400....so I got those bugs out and optimized one constant, hopla, second place again (first with other constants, but those scored worse in my big bench)
15:02:36 #corewars: < michal> I see you're holding top positions on koth..
15:02:54 #corewars: < michal> enjoy them while you still can :)
15:03:53 #corewars: < Roy> nah, I'm not enjoying them, need more competition (ego goes through the roof)
15:04:39 #corewars: < Roy> http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/94/INPUT/  <- Maelstrom/Gremlin/Yorba code
15:04:59 #corewars: < brx> interesting how enigma is quite even to the oneshot now
15:05:00 #corewars: < Roy> (for your benchmarks :))
15:05:10 #corewars: < michal> heh, thanks :)
15:05:44 #corewars: < Roy> Soon (HOPFULLY) on top of Koenigstuhl :P
15:06:25 #corewars: < Roy> You should try to make another warrior like Behemot, lots of scanners on the hill
15:07:32 #corewars: < michal> actually I have prototype for b2 somewhere
15:08:16 #corewars: < Roy> Nice...would love to see such warriors on the hill (all my warriors love to beat it bigtime in the benchmark)
15:08:31 #corewars: < Roy> So I'm dissapointed none are on the hill
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15:37:57 #corewars: < waxmop> hi
15:42:51 #corewars: < waxmop> anyone here?  i want to learn to play corewar.  i run linux.  do i need to install anything?
15:48:50 #corewars: < michal> hi
15:49:00 #corewars: < michal> which distro do you have?
15:52:26 #corewars: < waxmop> mandrake
15:52:39 #corewars: < waxmop> and i also have a debian box.
15:53:22 #corewars: < michal> see if you can install pmars-sdl or pmars
15:54:32 #corewars: < michal> if not, you can get the source from here: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jpihlaja/cw/pmars-sdl/
16:01:17 #corewars: < waxmop> ok.
16:01:18 #corewars: < waxmop> thanks
16:01:35 #corewars: < waxmop> so, what is the best way to learn to play?
16:04:27 #corewars: < michal> there's a great tutorial at http://vyznev.net/corewar/guide.html
16:04:47 #corewars: < michal> most links/informations can be found at www.corewar.info
16:05:42 #corewars: < michal> first issues of Corewarrior (corewar newsletter) may be also helpful
16:05:57 #corewars: < michal> not only the first...
16:07:01 #corewars: < waxmop> i'm reading that toot.  here's my question: does only one instruction get executed per turn?
16:07:15 #corewars: < michal> yes
16:08:18 #corewars: < michal> imho a good way to start is to pick a published warrior you like from 100-300 place of koenigstuhl, and then improve it
16:08:46 #corewars: < waxmop> ok.  how long have you been playing?
16:10:05 #corewars: < michal> don't know.. 3, maybe 4 years
16:10:14 #corewars: < waxmop> how'd you get into it?
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16:12:08 #corewars: < michal> a while back one guy from my school made a presentation about it
16:12:33 #corewars: < michal> only I got really interested, the rest [including himself] moved along..
16:12:36 #corewars: < michal> hi
16:12:41 #corewars: < brx_> hi
16:13:03 #corewars: < waxmop> yeah, that's cool.  i can't find the mandrake pmars rpm.  i guess i'll install from source.
16:13:51 #corewars: < Neogryzor> hi
16:14:02 #corewars: < waxmop> hi
16:14:26 #corewars: < Neogryzor>  waxmop== newbie?
16:16:46 #corewars: < michal> more or less :)
16:17:32 #corewars: < Neogryzor> welcome
16:19:38 #corewars: < waxmop> oh yeah.
16:19:44 #corewars: < waxmop> waxmop <= newwbie.
16:20:16 #corewars:  * brx_ sighs
16:20:20 #corewars: < waxmop> i just finished a CS course in assembly, and i found out about corewar when I read the linux assembly faq and it mentioned it as an aside.
16:20:33 #corewars: < brx_> another newbie to surpass brx within 3 days :(
16:20:38 #corewars: < waxmop> we'll se.
16:20:45 #corewars: < brx_> :)
16:23:20 #corewars: < waxmop> so, do y'all run linux?
16:23:34 #corewars: < brx_> about half of us i believe.
16:23:37 #corewars: < brx_> not all.
16:23:39 #corewars: < waxmop> if so, do you run pmars in graphical mode, or curses?
16:23:51 #corewars: < waxmop> can it run either way?
16:24:12 #corewars: < brx_> i think you have to compile multiple binaries for that.
16:24:52 #corewars: < brx_> that is, if you wanna choose between curses and graphical on a daily basis
16:25:01 #corewars: < waxmop> oh, ok.
16:25:09 #corewars: < brx_> for debugging i use graphical mode
16:25:17 #corewars: < waxmop> yeah, sometimes i connect from a ssh window, sometimes i'm at my machines.
16:25:20 #corewars: < brx_> and while deving
16:25:24 #corewars: < brx_> ah
16:25:36 #corewars: < waxmop> which should i start with?
16:25:53 #corewars: < brx_> compile 2 binaries i say :)
16:26:40 #corewars: < brx_> or tunnel X
16:26:42 #corewars: < brx_> via ssh
16:28:10 #corewars: < brx_> hm roy helped me out with enigma and sent me an optimized version plus attached qscan..
16:28:42 #corewars: < brx_> it now ties/beats at least 3/4 of roy's warriors on 94nop
16:28:43 #corewars: < waxmop> i'll start with curses, because all i got right now is a terminal window.  when i get home, i'll make the sdl version.
16:29:30 #corewars: < brx_> aaah no the constants are not optimized. he only booted away to copies. alll constants are handpicked
16:29:38 #corewars: < brx_> s/to/two
16:30:01 #corewars: < brx_> waxmop: *nods* i am looking forward to some newbie competition :)
16:32:03 #corewars: < waxmop> i got a linking error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltermlib
16:32:33 #corewars: < brx_> ah, you can disable the dependancy i think, just look at the makefile :)
16:37:47 #corewars: < waxmop> i commented out the -ltermlib and it compiled.
16:38:08 #corewars: < brx_> hmhm
16:44:42 #corewars: < Neogryzor> brx_ , enigma is a paper/imp, right? how is going its development?
16:45:27 #corewars: < brx_> Neogryzor: no, it never was a paper/imp :) LOLEnigmaLOL was a paper with a seperate stone.
16:47:34 #corewars: < brx_> and about its development.. hmm. well roy has attached a qscan and changed the paper structure a little. constants are still unoptimized
16:47:57 #corewars: < Mizcu> lunchtime!
16:48:26 #corewars: < brx_> he told me to send it to 94nop
16:51:30 #corewars: < waxmop> ok, i installed pmars, then ran $ pmars warriors/aeka.red and then a whole bunch of output flew by.  what happened?  did i run a fight with aeka vs nobody?
16:51:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> yes
16:51:44 #corewars: < Mizcu> try pmars -v 903 aeka.red
16:52:02 #corewars: < waxmop> whozzat?
16:52:17 #corewars: < Mizcu> -v 903  describes the method battles are shown
16:52:54 #corewars: < waxmop> alsook.
16:52:55 #corewars: < Mizcu> 9 mean speed 9 (slowest) , 0 is reseved for other use, 3 means what kind of graphical form is used
16:52:56 #corewars: < waxmop> ok