--- Log opened Sat Apr 24 00:00:11 2004
01:50:24 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm.
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11:59:07 #corewars: < grabek> hello?
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19:11:05 #corewars: < grabek> pkhuong: 
19:46:04 -!- Metcalf [~John@217.158.137.194] has joined #corewars
19:46:06 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi
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19:59:22 #corewars: < grabek> i
19:59:24 #corewars: < grabek> hi
19:59:26 #corewars: < grabek> ouch ouch
19:59:30 #corewars: < grabek> hello John
19:59:34 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi grab, met
19:59:37 #corewars: < grabek> hi Mizcu 
19:59:52 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi.
20:00:06 #corewars: < Metcalf> Just off, sorry.
20:00:21 #corewars: < Metcalf> Back on Monday, as usual. :-)
20:00:37 #corewars: < Metcalf> Home now, but internet cafe closes at 7 :-/
20:00:41 #corewars:  * Metcalf waves
20:00:45 #corewars:  * grabek waves
20:00:48 #corewars: < grabek> dammit
20:00:55 #corewars: < grabek> good to see you, anyway
20:01:10 #corewars: < grabek> i am working on that article
20:01:10 #corewars: < Metcalf> You too...
20:01:15 #corewars: < Metcalf> Good :-)
20:01:16 #corewars: < grabek> they want me to write a huge tutorial
20:01:18 #corewars: < Metcalf> I read your page.
20:01:21 #corewars: < grabek> not only p-space
20:01:27 #corewars: < Metcalf> Ah, nice.
20:01:30 #corewars: < grabek> but also corewar in general
20:01:41 #corewars: < grabek> and describe three main classes of warriors
20:01:47 #corewars: < Metcalf> Maybe you could talk them into having a regular article :-)
20:01:49 #corewars: < grabek> and then combine them into one p-warrior
20:01:58 #corewars: < Metcalf> Got to go, they want to close the machines down :-(
20:01:58 #corewars: < grabek> this is a regular one
20:02:01 #corewars: < grabek> bye
20:02:04 #corewars: < Metcalf> Oh! :-)
20:02:05 #corewars: < grabek> *sigh*
20:02:07 #corewars: < Metcalf> Great news.
20:02:10 #corewars:  * Metcalf waves
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20:02:13 #corewars:  * grabek waves
20:03:56 #corewars: < Mizcu> since Met had to leave, i'll be asking my question from you, Grab
20:05:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> add.b #whatever, #5   -  should result in  #whatever, #5+5  |  #Whatever, #10+10  and so on, correct?
20:07:59 #corewars: < grabek> hm
20:08:25 #corewars: < grabek> yes, it is correct
20:08:27 #corewars: < Mizcu> and add.b #whatever, @step  will first  add #step, in position step,  and then by redirection add #step in step*2
20:08:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> (correct, tested in pmars)
20:09:01 #corewars: < grabek> yes
20:09:10 #corewars: < grabek> correct, number 2
20:09:36 #corewars: < Mizcu> but why add.b <whatever, @step  will result in no modification at position step?
20:10:24 #corewars: < grabek> it won't?
20:11:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> not on my pmars
20:11:54 #corewars: < grabek> wait
20:13:52 #corewars: < grabek> in mine it changes the step cell
20:14:16 #corewars: < Mizcu> i have to upgrade then (0.80)
20:15:10 #corewars: < grabek> most probably a bug, though this instruction is not that tricky
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20:26:46 #corewars: < Mizcu> Started up sdl-pmars to see if newer version would've fixed it, but too late remembered that it crashes it computer
20:26:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> crasher this computer
20:27:20 #corewars: < Mizcu> grr, too many typos
20:29:54 #corewars: < Mizcu> (anything more complicated than openoffice or quake crasher this computer, may be damage in ram or messed up directx)
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20:32:47 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
20:32:56 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi Fiz
20:33:12 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi Miz
20:35:09 #corewars: < grabek> hi Fizmo 
20:35:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi Lukasz
20:35:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> how is going?
20:35:46 #corewars: < grabek> fine
20:35:47 #corewars: < grabek> thanks
20:35:49 #corewars: < grabek> you?
20:36:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> uhmm, could be better. Still feeling sick
20:36:32 #corewars: < grabek> oh sick
20:36:36 #corewars: < grabek> not that nice, it seems
20:44:29 #corewars: < Fizmo> erhmm
20:44:59 #corewars: < Fizmo> BTW, sorry for kicking your two oldest warriors from 94 draft :-/
20:46:02 #corewars: < grabek> erm?
20:46:30 #corewars: < grabek> Reep's still there
20:46:58 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes, but Return of Vanquisher and Bittersweet
20:47:25 #corewars: < grabek> oh
20:47:41 #corewars: < grabek> Bitter Sweet is just a unmodified Armadillo, in case if anyone wondered
20:47:51 #corewars: < grabek> i have to improve on Armadillo, however, for it sucks atm
20:47:59 #corewars: < grabek> and publish the code
20:49:12 #corewars: < Fizmo> the time is getting harder after bvowk's snippet is implemented in coreclear papers
20:49:42 #corewars: < grabek> bvowk's snippet?
20:49:45 #corewars: < Fizmo> it's now much easier to beat b-imp harder
20:49:48 #corewars: < grabek> i think i missed to many things
20:49:57 #corewars: < grabek> s/to/too/
20:50:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> check:
20:50:45 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=rec.games.corewar&selm=9f53b5fb.0404230119.19c861b5%40posting.google.com
20:52:00 #corewars: < grabek> oh
20:52:02 #corewars: < grabek> hm
20:53:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> you can test Shrink against Armadillo or Son of Vain, then you understand what I mean
20:55:43 #corewars: < grabek> hm
20:55:48 #corewars: < grabek> i really need to improve on it
20:58:35 #corewars: < grabek> question
20:58:45 #corewars: < grabek> are instruction modifiers ignored in JMP and SPL?
20:59:32 #corewars: < Fizmo> I think so
21:00:08 #corewars: < Fizmo> you could write modifiers but they don't have an effect
21:00:35 #corewars: < grabek> yeah
21:00:40 #corewars: < grabek> that's what i expected
21:04:24 #corewars: < pkhuong> Fiz: do you understand why the djn x, # is better in shrink?
21:06:31 #corewars: < Mizcu> djn ${<}> & 1,1 is not good mmkay?
21:06:50 #corewars: < pkhuong> yeah, but apart from that?
21:07:01 #corewars: < pkhuong> djn VS Jmp then
21:07:36 #corewars: < pkhuong> ... djn lets you not bomb yourself.
21:07:40 #corewars: < pkhuong> ok, foret what i jsut said
21:08:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> rough carpets are better than strict carpets
21:08:29 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am not sure if selfbombing is a problem in papers
21:08:48 #corewars: < pkhuong> it might be with the mov bombs
21:08:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> geehh, that is really an unexpected result
21:10:12 #corewars: < Mizcu> anti-imp bombs will cause heavy damage in the imps with one succesful bomb, and usually one succesful hit will usually decapasitate stone or scanner
21:10:14 #corewars: < pkhuong> Miz: is that also true of spl carpets?
21:10:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> pkhuong: no
21:10:40 #corewars: < pkhuong> *was about to try it with an HSA-like*
21:10:50 #corewars: < Mizcu> unless you want to make your traditional scanner slightly better against stones
21:11:05 #corewars: < Mizcu> (at great expense against papers)
21:11:23 #corewars: < pkhuong> i might try a spiral clear instead of of a linear carpet, though
21:14:34 #corewars: < Mizcu> against p/i's in future it might be necessary to create a scanner that can attack x+@x under certain circumstances
21:16:14 #corewars: < pkhuong> scanning x and @x too.
21:16:34 #corewars: < pkhuong> otoh, it might just make people go back to spl x, 0 :)
21:16:50 #corewars: < pkhuong> b-imp killers -> a-imp
21:18:03 #corewars: < Fizmo> BTW, I have a 8-line paper which can create 3-pts and 7-pts a-imps and b-imps at the same time :)
21:18:31 #corewars: < pkhuong> in a single copy!?
21:18:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes, with just one silk-pair
21:18:56 #corewars: < Fizmo> like jedimp
21:19:58 #corewars: < pkhuong> oki, so 2 silk sequences, followed by 4 imp lines?
21:20:24 #corewars: < Mizcu> Guess its time for me to go, hour used already on 'net.  Back tomorrow, bye!
21:20:30 #corewars: < pkhuong> bye
21:20:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye miz
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21:21:26 #corewars: < Fizmo> 2 lines for the silk-pair, 4 lines for imp-launch and 2 lines for the two different imps
21:23:21 #corewars: < Fizmo> nearly 0% kills except against HSA-style scanner
21:23:46 #corewars: < pkhuong> did you try against a s/s/d spiral clear?
21:23:56 #corewars: < pkhuong> (maybe more s, hehe)
21:27:19 #corewars: < Fizmo> not against a pure spiral clear
22:05:27 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, I have to go now
22:05:29 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye
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