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02:26:21 #corewars:  * bvowk_ wonders
02:26:59 #corewars: < brx_> yes
02:27:02 #corewars: < brx_> ,e too
02:27:13 #corewars: < brx_> i am now a proud member of a single database
02:27:16 #corewars: < brx_> for germany.
02:27:24 #corewars: < brx_> bring it on.... *cough* .. anyone?
02:27:32 #corewars:  * brx_ commits suicide
02:27:47 #corewars: < bvowk_> at least it'll be quiet
02:27:55 #corewars: < pkhuong> heh
02:28:08 #corewars: < brx_> i hate you barkley.
02:28:19 #corewars: < brx_> :P
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02:29:27 #corewars: < bvowk_> greets joo
02:29:31 #corewars: < bvowk_> nas
02:29:36 #corewars: < joonas> hey
02:29:36 #corewars: < brx_> hi joonas 
02:29:48 #corewars: < joonas> hi
02:30:12 #corewars: < pkhuong> lo joonas
02:30:21 #corewars: < joonas> hi pk
02:30:28 #corewars: < joonas> sorry to hear about dentistry :-(
02:30:50 #corewars: < pkhuong> heh.
02:31:14 #corewars: < joonas> so what's next?
02:31:23 #corewars: < pkhuong> the toher universities
02:31:29 #corewars: < pkhuong> if not, then physical engineering
02:32:04 #corewars: < joonas> doesn't sound half bad.
02:32:38 #corewars: < pkhuong> yeah, it's actually aprt of the physics dept, so i'll ahve real physics and math courses :)
02:33:01 #corewars: < joonas> :)
02:34:05 #corewars:  * joonas ran across a blast-from-the-past, eye watering nostalgia, take-you-back-10+ years site the other day
02:34:13 #corewars: < joonas> www.asciipr0n.com
02:34:17 #corewars: < pkhuong> :D
02:35:08 #corewars: < joonas> it's actually a front for some guys+friends personal pages
02:35:21 #corewars: < joonas> but the real ascii stuff is there too...
02:35:40 #corewars: < joonas> made me feel like I were sitting behind a 1200bps modem again!
02:35:50 #corewars: < joonas> anyway
02:35:56 #corewars: < joonas> why'd y'all go so quiet?
02:35:57 #corewars: < joonas> ;)
02:36:03 #corewars: < brx_> crying
02:36:38 #corewars: < joonas> how was easter?
02:36:44 #corewars: < brx_> ...
02:36:46 #corewars: < brx_> triste
02:36:55 #corewars: < joonas> oh
02:37:14 #corewars: < brx_> i got up a bit later than usual.
02:37:17 #corewars: < brx_> like 6 pm.
02:37:24 #corewars: < joonas> heh
02:37:35 #corewars: < joonas> any plans for the summer?
02:37:41 #corewars: < brx_> sure
02:37:41 #corewars: < joonas> now you're out of school
02:37:52 #corewars: < brx_> i will wait for october.
02:38:04 #corewars:  * bvowk_ wonders
02:38:05 #corewars: < joonas> sounds like a triste summer too.
02:38:21 #corewars: < brx_> i need to bridge the time until studying *somehow*
02:38:36 #corewars: < brx_> but on saturday i will go on a trip to france for about a week.
02:38:44 #corewars: < bvowk_> remember BRX, down, not across.
02:38:44 #corewars: < joonas> heh.. just out of school and you're *waiting for more*!
02:39:05 #corewars: < joonas> oh, stop it.
02:39:16 #corewars: < brx_> bvowk_: i learned that a long time ago.
02:39:37 #corewars: < brx_> bvowk_: but actually, i am going to use my wakizashi
02:39:50 #corewars: < brx_> so basically.. it will be across.
02:39:55 #corewars:  * joonas sighs
02:40:03 #corewars: < joonas> you guys are no fun at all.
02:40:06 #corewars: < brx_> it's okay joonas, he has a point.
02:40:10 #corewars: < bvowk_> so whats up today joonas/
02:40:26 #corewars: < bvowk_> haxoring anything more exciting than ascii porn?
02:40:45 #corewars: < brx_> anyway, i am not waiting for more. i am not really waiting anyway. i wouldn't know what i am waiting for.
02:40:52 #corewars: < joonas> well I was all geared up to protest for the first time in my life for something that I really believe in, but some burecrat stomped on it.
02:40:54 #corewars: < joonas> ;)
02:41:13 #corewars: < pkhuong> lol
02:41:37 #corewars: < joonas> okok... "for" -> "against"
02:41:51 #corewars: < bvowk_> heh
02:42:12 #corewars: < joonas> http://lwn.net/Articles/79930/
02:42:43 #corewars: < joonas> EU bill to broaden patent rights to cover software & data structures
02:42:48 #corewars: < joonas> (among other things)
02:43:03 #corewars: < pkhuong> what?
02:43:07 #corewars:  * pkhuong patents the linked list
02:43:08 #corewars: < brx_> true
02:43:10 #corewars: < pkhuong> etc?
02:43:12 #corewars: < pkhuong> :|
02:43:13 #corewars: < joonas> yeah
02:43:15 #corewars: < joonas> :-(
02:43:17 #corewars: < brx_> too late pkhuong 
02:43:21 #corewars: < brx_> ^^
02:43:23 #corewars: < joonas> things like file formats too
02:43:25 #corewars: < brx_> oh come on guys
02:43:29 #corewars:  * bvowk_ patents a method for rendering acsii naked chix
02:43:31 #corewars: < brx_> don't feel sad
02:43:44 #corewars: < pkhuong> bvowk: AAlib == prior art
02:43:45 #corewars: < pkhuong> ;)
02:43:49 #corewars:  * bvowk_ changes joonas 1million euros!
02:43:51 #corewars:  * joonas infringes on bvowk's patent while there is still time!
02:44:51 #corewars: < bvowk_> just don't get anything sticky :P
02:46:45 #corewars: < joonas> so since I'm not allowed to voice my opinion on the matter, I thought I'd do a silent protest instead.
02:47:04 #corewars: < joonas> only for a short time tho.
02:47:25 #corewars: < pkhuong> wtf?
02:47:33 #corewars: < brx_> pkhuong. what.
02:47:38 #corewars: < pkhuong> bc of uni?
02:47:59 #corewars: < joonas> ?
02:48:20 #corewars: < pkhuong> [20:45] <joonas> so since I'm not allowed to voice my opinion on the matter
02:48:22 #corewars: < pkhuong> why can't you?
02:48:40 #corewars: < joonas> oh, uhm.. because it's not in the terms of service.
02:48:53 #corewars: < pkhuong> lol
02:49:05 #corewars: < pkhuong> so you could protest outside uni grounds & hours?
02:49:20 #corewars: < joonas> yes, something like that. :)
02:51:09 #corewars:  * pkhuong is looking for article on the efficiency of combinator-based VMs
02:51:36 #corewars: < pkhuong> ...without a lot of success though :/
02:51:49 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. 
02:52:31 #corewars: < joonas> google for hardware graph reduction engines by Phil Koopman
02:52:50 #corewars: < pkhuong> lol, stack machine guy?
02:52:51 #corewars: < pkhuong> makes sense
02:53:36 #corewars: < joonas> yes that's him.
02:54:00 #corewars: < pkhuong> k, but will it be applicable to conventional architectures?
02:54:38 #corewars: < joonas> don't recall.  probably, as his stack designs are a subset of conventional HW
02:55:29 #corewars: < brx_> ...chris lukas is still insisting on a forum lol
02:55:33 #corewars: < pkhuong> lol
02:56:04 #corewars: < brx_> next thing he is going to do: kidnap famous redcoders so they can talk face to face.
02:58:35 #corewars: < joonas> pk: the GHC and Hugs groups might have some interesting articles on graph reducing using normal HW
03:00:05 #corewars: < joonas> google for "haskell graph reduction"
03:00:11 #corewars: < pkhuong> in theory, any functional language should be easily translatable to such an approach, right?
03:00:29 #corewars: < pkhuong> (and the optimisation/evaluation rules are well-defined)
03:00:38 #corewars: < joonas> how well would it suite eager languages?
03:00:49 #corewars: < joonas> like the ML family
03:01:05 #corewars: < pkhuong> i don't know
03:01:23 #corewars: < pkhuong> i'm interested, though, since i'm nt that well-versed in lazy languages
03:02:04 #corewars: < joonas> me neither.
03:02:55 #corewars: < joonas> I'm told Haskell or Clean are good languages to know in that respect.
03:03:21 #corewars: < pkhuong> their syntaxes scare me :)
03:03:49 #corewars: < joonas> bah.. get over the parenthesis addiction already!
03:03:51 #corewars: < joonas> ;)
03:04:11 #corewars: < pkhuong> I've tried NJ SML once, but i can't remember anything of the syntax :(
03:04:37 #corewars: < joonas> that defaults to eager evaluation I think?
03:04:38 #corewars: < pkhuong> i'll have to give myself a crash course in SML, OCaml and Haskell once :)
03:04:44 #corewars: < pkhuong> probably.
03:04:45 #corewars: < joonas> OCaml
03:04:51 #corewars: < joonas> is really fast to learn.
03:04:59 #corewars: < pkhuong> cool.
03:05:13 #corewars: < pkhuong> i thought you were saying "is really fast" (period). ;)
03:05:26 #corewars: < joonas> lol
03:05:27 #corewars: < joonas> that too
03:06:07 #corewars: < joonas> anyway, the introduction/tutorial section of the ocaml manual takes you from the very basics up to parser building in a few hours of self study
03:07:04 #corewars: < pkhuong> i ahve to get over the aprenthesis thing, though. It's come to the point where the presence of different syntactic sugar confuzzles me.
03:07:04 #corewars: < brx_> pkhuong: and don't forget to check out mlTetris
03:07:21 #corewars: < pkhuong> :( you know it's bad when you put the parentheiss in the wrong place when doing function calls in C :)
03:07:33 #corewars: < brx_> pkhuong: ftp://pandora/contrib/KissTetris.ml
03:07:38 #corewars: < pkhuong> brx_: tetris=tetris=tetris
03:07:39 #corewars: < brx_> uh
03:07:42 #corewars: < pkhuong> <3 emacs
03:07:46 #corewars: < brx_> ftp://pandora.isa-geek.org
03:08:08 #corewars: < brx_> pkhuong: oh no, only because it is written in ocaml
03:08:15 #corewars: < pkhuong> lol k
03:08:43 #corewars: < pkhuong> btw, i think planar is on the ocaml team
03:08:44 #corewars: < pkhuong> (GC)
03:09:02 #corewars: < joonas> it's true.
03:09:08 #corewars: < brx_> oh
03:09:46 #corewars: < pkhuong> <- afk
03:09:47 #corewars: < pkhuong> thx
03:22:14 #corewars: < brx_> sigh
03:26:51 #corewars: < brx_> anybody awake?
03:27:53 #corewars: < joonas> yes
03:29:07 #corewars: < brx_> doing anything interesting?
03:29:31 #corewars: < joonas> no. :(  writing boring constructors / destructors.
03:30:37 #corewars: < brx_> ... i have to write an image editor.
03:30:40 #corewars: < brx_> this is so boring.
03:30:52 #corewars:  * joonas feels your pain
03:30:59 #corewars: < joonas> about the image editor
03:31:04 #corewars: < joonas> I hasten to add
03:31:10 #corewars: < brx_> sure sure
03:31:17 #corewars: < brx_> i am not paid for it
03:31:29 #corewars: < joonas> why do you have to write it?
03:31:31 #corewars: < brx_> they told me I *might* get money..
03:32:05 #corewars: < joonas> hm. so do a good job and let the cash roll in. :)
03:32:24 #corewars: < brx_> bah some weird artist fellows, one of them is a friend. they need an "opencanvas" clone
03:32:26 #corewars: < brx_> with network support
03:32:34 #corewars: < brx_> and extended functionality
03:32:40 #corewars: < joonas> hrmp.  artists.
03:32:47 #corewars:  * brx_ nods
03:33:08 #corewars:  * brx_ starts up... vim... emacs..
03:34:08 #corewars:  * joonas goes look for opencanvas
03:34:21 #corewars: < brx_> oh i will provide you with a url
03:35:39 #corewars: < joonas> it's all japanese
03:35:47 #corewars: < joonas> do you have an english page?
03:35:52 #corewars: < brx_> ... yes
03:35:54 #corewars: < brx_> lol
03:36:58 #corewars: < brx_> basically they are whining that the network feature is missing in newer versions
03:37:04 #corewars: < brx_> http://www.portalgraphics.net/en/index.asp
03:37:22 #corewars: < joonas> thanks
03:37:54 #corewars: < brx_> actually the program does have a few nifty features.. like recording the process of painting an image into a replay
03:38:00 #corewars: < brx_> s/a/some
03:38:11 #corewars: < brx_> aeh
03:38:16 #corewars: < brx_> s/few//
03:38:59 #corewars: < joonas> so are they willing to pay more that the $71 that openCanvas 3 Plus goes for?
03:39:06 #corewars: < brx_> " openCanvas has the unique function that can replay exactly how artwork is created."
03:39:43 #corewars: < brx_> i bet not. i have not even started coding yet, i am still designing. (using an inferior language such as c++ this is necessary :( )
03:39:57 #corewars: < joonas> from the looks of that page i get the impression that creating a clone from scratch would be lunacy
03:40:16 #corewars: < brx_> sure, you are right.
03:40:20 #corewars: < joonas> you'd be better off creating a plug-in for the gimp or something.
03:40:22 #corewars: < brx_> it is a professional tool
03:40:26 #corewars: < brx_> hahaha
03:40:34 #corewars: < joonas> ?
03:40:42 #corewars: < brx_> they want a clone of ocversion 1.1 or something
03:40:54 #corewars: < brx_> it's going to be a lot of work, i think i can manage it though
03:41:07 #corewars: < joonas> hm. well I know now what You're doing all summer. :)
03:41:18 #corewars: < joonas> good luck.
03:41:21 #corewars: < brx_> few things will be more worthwhile then others. the network protocol, the replay system
03:41:26 #corewars: < brx_> heh ^^
03:41:34 #corewars: < joonas> yup, those sound interesting.
03:42:19 #corewars: < brx_> i wonder if they want tablet support.
03:42:28 #corewars:  * brx_ scratches his head
03:43:09 #corewars: < joonas> I suggest you start keeping a log of the number of hours you're spending on the project.
03:43:27 #corewars: < brx_> and show them afterwards?
03:43:32 #corewars: < joonas> if you like.
03:43:38 #corewars: < joonas> but mostly for your own benefit.
03:43:44 #corewars: < brx_> aw hm
03:44:33 #corewars: < joonas> if you're going to be showing them a log of your hours, be sure to give them something else too. :)
03:44:53 #corewars: < brx_> something else?
03:45:01 #corewars: < joonas> like a design document, questions, planned implementation phases...
03:45:03 #corewars: < brx_> bill?
03:45:05 #corewars: < brx_> ah ^^
03:45:05 #corewars: < joonas> lol
03:45:45 #corewars: < joonas> and that too.. so when they give you $$$ for your work, you'll know how much one hour of your time costs.
03:47:04 #corewars: < brx_> oh...
03:47:09 #corewars: < brx_> they will not be able to copy it around..
03:47:29 #corewars:  * brx_ is not sure if he.. 
03:47:35 #corewars: < brx_> licensing..
03:48:35 #corewars: < joonas> well personally speaking... I'd take a lump sum and transfer all rights to them.
03:48:50 #corewars: < joonas> minimise the hastle and no problems later.
03:49:46 #corewars: < joonas> of course with my luck (and there's precedent here).. the product would turn into a million euro business . :)
03:50:01 #corewars: < joonas> not that that happens very often.
03:50:55 #corewars: < joonas> anyway, far too early to think about these kinds of things.
03:50:58 #corewars: < brx_> lol
03:51:02 #corewars: < brx_> yes that is true anyway
03:52:05 #corewars: < brx_> .... actually, i have been thinking about not accepting this project
03:52:16 #corewars: < brx_> i can't concentrate anyway
04:54:03 #corewars: < joonas> mlog
04:54:08 #corewars: < joonas> sorry
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05:38:59 #corewars: < pkhuong> brx_: have you considered python?
05:39:20 #corewars: < pkhuong> iirc, there are bindings for tablets, and you could use SDL for most of the functionality.
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13:51:38 #corewars: < Roy> Help!!
13:51:41 #corewars: < Roy> I Hate school
13:51:42 #corewars: < Roy> bleh
13:51:48 #corewars: < Roy> Time-out :)
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15:38:00 #corewars: < brx_> re
15:39:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi brx
15:45:47 #corewars: < brx_> hi Mizcu 
15:46:01 #corewars: < brx_> currently reading an interesting usenet thread in comp.lang.lisp about sentience
15:46:07 #corewars: < brx_> interested?
15:46:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> maybe
15:48:47 #corewars: < brx_> http://groups.google.de/groups?dq=&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=opr6d0u9myxfnb1n%40news.chello.no&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dcomp.lang.lisp
15:48:57 #corewars: < brx_> http://groups.google.de/groups?dq=&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=opr6d0u9myxfnb1n%40news.chello.no&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dcomp.lang.lisp
15:49:01 #corewars: < brx_> here
16:04:00 #corewars:  * brx_ is going to fetch some food
16:37:05 #corewars: < bvowk_> hrm
16:37:18 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi bvowk
16:37:40 #corewars: < bvowk_> greets!
16:39:00 #corewars: < bvowk_> how's it going?
16:39:07 #corewars: < Mizcu> there-there
16:40:28 #corewars: < Mizcu> damn medication makes me sleepier every day
16:41:03 #corewars: < bvowk_> medication?
16:41:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> just chugged a can of jolt and still i have a feeling of fluffiness inside my head
16:41:23 #corewars: < bvowk_> core-a-done? being treated for corewar addition?
16:41:27 #corewars: < bvowk_> addiction even :)
16:41:40 #corewars: < bvowk_> fluffiness?
16:41:51 #corewars: < bvowk_> as if you head was filled with cute kittens? :)
16:41:57 #corewars: < Mizcu> like someone filled my head with feathers
16:42:14 #corewars: < Mizcu> just taking pills for depression
16:44:09 #corewars: < Mizcu> i've slept for 12 hours a night for two weeks now - compared to the 7-8 hours half a year ago
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16:45:08 #corewars: < Willvarfa> hi folks
16:45:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi Will
16:45:35 #corewars: < bvowk_> greets wil
16:45:59 #corewars: < Willvarfa> back online (hopefully)
16:46:58 #corewars: < Mizcu> so Will, i did a few experiments on species on tiny
16:47:16 #corewars: < Willvarfa> ah cool!
16:47:19 #corewars: < Willvarfa> any luck?
16:47:29 #corewars: < jaska> mizcu, what type of pills?
16:48:18 #corewars: < Mizcu> jaska: emocal 10mg, 2/day. See tohtori.fi/lääkeopas for more info
16:48:29 #corewars: < Mizcu> Will: so far best has been spl/mov/djn -coreclear =/
16:48:31 #corewars: < jaska> emocal.. hmm.. never had that myself
16:49:14 #corewars: < Mizcu> Will: more interesting, is that i saw first "mov-tower" to appear
16:49:57 #corewars: < jaska> oh, citalopram
16:50:03 #corewars: < Willvarfa> mov-tower?
16:50:17 #corewars: < jaska> i used to eat 60mg of that a day
16:50:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> will:  spl mov mov mov mov mov (trash)
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16:51:47 #corewars: < brx_> hi
16:52:07 #corewars: < Mizcu> Will:  for some reason most of the warriors near beginning are turning something in form of:
16:52:08 #corewars: < Mizcu> spl #blah
16:52:15 #corewars: < Mizcu> mov {bleh, <bloh
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16:52:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> djn #, <
16:52:47 #corewars: < Will_varf> that is a neat little clear
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16:53:34 #corewars: < Mizcu> but it's djn #blah, that doesnt jump anywhere
16:54:03 #corewars: < Will_varf> hmm, expect that to change into a djn -1 soon then
16:54:22 #corewars: < Will_varf> are you using markovs and operand stats gathered from the tiny warriors?
16:54:38 #corewars: < Mizcu> i said near beginning, i've restarted experiments numerous times
16:54:48 #corewars: < Mizcu> i am using the tiny-tables you sent me
16:54:52 #corewars: < Will_varf> ah cool good
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16:55:03 #corewars: < Will_varf> then I am surprised that is a djn #
16:55:09 #corewars: < michal> hi
16:55:17 #corewars: < Will_varf> hello michal
16:55:28 #corewars: < brx_> hi
16:55:51 #corewars: < Mizcu> you course, the one currently on top is: 
16:55:52 #corewars: < Mizcu> START   spl.ab #  -48 , *  201
16:55:53 #corewars: < Mizcu>         mov.i  *   -4 , {   -1
16:55:53 #corewars: < Mizcu>         djn.b  $   -1 , <  251
16:55:53 #corewars: < Mizcu>         jmp.f  }    1 , #    0
16:55:53 #corewars: < Mizcu>         dat.f  *  -16 , }   -1
16:55:55 #corewars: < Mizcu> (trash)
16:56:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> and many of its relatives
16:56:50 #corewars: < Will_varf> when I have time to write it, I plan a few modifications to species..
16:57:10 #corewars: < Will_varf> I admit that species is rather more complicated than it is clever ;-)
16:58:45 #corewars: < Mizcu> i still have to tune the runtest_dummy a bit
16:59:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> plain wimp-gate with anti-djn dat's favoures such small clears too much
17:01:27 #corewars: < Will_varf> you could also bias the benchmarks against such warriors
17:01:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> that would require me to cut down the benchmark quite a lot
17:02:17 #corewars: < Mizcu> (20 warriors + "just a little curious" = CLP)
17:05:10 #corewars: < Mizcu> now i replaced runtest_dummy with clp, lets see what comes..
17:06:51 #corewars: < Mizcu> now i keep getting absurd warriors..
17:07:04 #corewars: < Mizcu> START   spl.i  #  207 , } -234
17:07:04 #corewars: < Mizcu>         djn.f  >  395 , <   -3
17:07:04 #corewars: < Mizcu>         dat.f  }   16 , >    0
17:09:25 #corewars: < Will_varf> cpl isn't djntrain-resistant?
17:10:25 #corewars: < Mizcu> no, absurd warriors that dont attack much do not trigger CLP
17:11:46 #corewars: < Mizcu> back to djn resistant wimp-gate
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17:32:59 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
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19:37:26 #corewars: < Roy> hello
19:49:19 #corewars: < bvowk> hi roy
19:51:54 #corewars: < Roy> Hello
19:52:28 #corewars: < Roy> I just got a nice idea from Fizmoxid and you mr. Bvowkium :)
19:52:47 #corewars: < Roy> Devilstick could be improved a but using your clear's trick :)
19:52:53 #corewars: < Roy> (Hopefully)
19:53:15 #corewars: < Roy> I'm now killing Egg on the hill, with a test for the improved Devilstick, lets see how it scores
19:53:39 #corewars: < Roy> *a bit
19:56:30 #corewars: < brx_> jm,
19:57:37 #corewars: < Roy> Woah...big improvement there :) another 4 point lead on the hill..?
19:58:25 #corewars: < Roy> I like it :) maybe even worth killing Devilstick for it
20:05:31 #corewars: < Roy> But then I would lose 165 of age :(
20:08:33 #corewars: < Roy> Dilemma....what should I do..!? Guys...?
20:09:24 #corewars: < Roy> Should I keep the best warrior I ever made locked until Devilstick is pushed off....or should I send it now and sacrifice my third oldest warrior ever that is still koth
20:13:59 #corewars: < brx_> sacrifice! sacfrigice!
20:14:09 #corewars: < Roy> Why..?
20:14:37 #corewars: < Roy> It feels awful to kill such a good going warrior, that is getting a respectable age
20:14:42 #corewars: < brx_> i don't think about the reasons behind an advise i give to others roy  :)
20:15:29 #corewars: < Roy> Good thing I DO think about the advice I gave you couple of times Andreas
20:28:21 #corewars: < Roy> Dilemma.....
20:29:30 #corewars: < Roy> I just wish one of the great corewar masters where here to guide me :) JM/PK/Fiz/LG/DH/michal, please come :)
20:30:31 #corewars: < brx_> :)
20:31:00 #corewars: < Roy> Maybe I should email Dewdney with this question :D
20:35:45 #corewars: < michal> I'd post the new one to the hill, but that's just me
20:36:02 #corewars: < michal> I've never been a big fan of longevity
20:36:05 #corewars: < Roy> But why :)
20:36:17 #corewars: < Roy> I don't need opinions, I need reasons :P
20:36:36 #corewars: < Roy> Well, the whole reason I created Devilstick was longevity...
20:44:35 #corewars:  * brx_ jumps around
20:45:38 #corewars:  * Roy warns brx not to break anything
20:48:14 #corewars:  * bvowk has brx medicated
20:49:10 #corewars: < brx_> ..
20:49:18 #corewars:  * brx_ sleeps
20:49:53 #corewars:  * Roy likes brx toxicated
20:50:09 #corewars:  * bvowk steals brx's organs and leaves his hollow corpse in a bathtub..
20:50:18 #corewars: < bvowk> hey roy.. need a kidney?
20:51:02 #corewars: < Roy> Cool, I would love a third kidney
20:51:45 #corewars: < bvowk> I want a hotswap redundant kidney
20:52:12 #corewars: < Roy> A friend of mine gave his kidney to his mother...he's my hero :)
20:52:39 #corewars: < Roy> He saved his mothers life, but only has one for himself now, and a huge ugly scar
20:55:25 #corewars: < bvowk> hotswap liver would be cool too
20:55:36 #corewars: < brx_> :(
20:55:55 #corewars:  * Roy would love backup organs, like a UPS-heart
20:56:54 #corewars: < bvowk> a redundant backup heart would be cool..
20:57:08 #corewars: < bvowk> so if your primary had problems, your secondary would keep your brain from dying
20:57:36 #corewars: < brx_> ohohoh
20:57:38 #corewars: < brx_> we have taht
20:57:40 #corewars: < brx_> we havge taht
20:57:43 #corewars: < bvowk> offsite brain mirror :)
20:58:57 #corewars: < brx_> barkbarkbark
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21:12:35 #corewars: < grabek> hrm
21:18:23 #corewars: < brx> omg
21:18:26 #corewars: < brx> usenet..
21:18:27 #corewars: < brx> is
21:18:38 #corewars: < brx> ...
21:19:33 #corewars: < Roy> usenet is..?
21:19:52 #corewars: < grabek> god
21:19:53 #corewars: < grabek> hello
21:20:07 #corewars: < Roy> Hi
21:20:13 #corewars: < Roy> What would you do? :)
21:20:20 #corewars: < Roy> Did you read my dilemma :)
21:20:47 #corewars: < grabek> no
21:20:49 #corewars: < grabek> i have not
21:21:09 #corewars: < Roy> I just created a much better version of Devilstick...
21:21:24 #corewars: < grabek> you never know
21:21:34 #corewars: < grabek> i would leave it there where it fits
21:21:39 #corewars: < Roy> Should I kill my 165 old best warrior ever and replace it....or keep this version for until its pushed off
21:21:59 #corewars: < grabek> remember, F number might have changed
21:22:08 #corewars: < grabek> your warrior may not performance so well
21:22:29 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, but it isn't just better on the hill (4 points, just tested it) but its also better in my bechmark etc
21:23:02 #corewars: < Roy> I made a construction change, not just the numbers
21:23:13 #corewars: < brx> usenet is.. tiring
21:23:32 #corewars: < grabek> oh, roy, so submit it then :-)
21:23:35 #corewars: < grabek> give it a try
21:23:39 #corewars: < grabek> dammit, it's only a game :-)
21:23:59 #corewars: < grabek> Behemot chapter is back online
21:24:38 #corewars: < Roy> Heh, ok, I will (testing another 1000 constants now, I want to get it in optimal shape)
21:26:06 #corewars: < grabek> hm
21:26:16 #corewars: < grabek> remember that behind the optimum is the loss
21:26:24 #corewars: < grabek> but, hey, it's your program after all :-)
21:26:37 #corewars: < grabek> don't you think Chris Lukas is a troll?
21:27:20 #corewars: < Roy> Well, he is just to lazy to read....he's a bit like me :)
21:27:32 #corewars: < Roy> Ignorant fool :)
21:28:45 #corewars: < grabek> practice makes a master, then
21:28:47 #corewars: < grabek> i wonder
21:28:49 #corewars: < grabek> still
21:28:59 #corewars: < grabek> brx: more heart problems?
21:30:17 #corewars: < Roy> Practise always makes master, what are you wondering about..?
21:30:50 #corewars: < grabek> about Chris
21:32:31 #corewars: < Roy> What is it you wonder about then..?
21:34:02 #corewars: < brx> yes
21:34:03 #corewars: < brx> what
21:34:06 #corewars: < brx> where
21:34:08 #corewars: < brx> what happened
21:34:13 #corewars: < brx> grabek: if he is a troll..
21:34:29 #corewars: < brx> grabek: i just wasted quite a bit of time to write a ridiculous amount of false information
21:36:39 #corewars: < grabek> i hope he is not
21:37:08 #corewars: < Roy> Ahh, he isn't a troll, just a lazy bastard
21:37:18 #corewars: < brx> heh
21:37:24 #corewars: < brx> so am i
21:37:47 #corewars: < Roy> so am I too ;)
21:38:18 #corewars: < Roy> we should welcome him with open arms :) and laugh at his face until he pushed us all off the hill
21:38:28 #corewars: < brx> lol
21:38:33 #corewars:  * brx is not even on the hill :(
21:38:45 #corewars: < Roy> Your time will come
21:40:39 #corewars: < brx> i know.
21:40:44 #corewars: < brx> i could make it happen right now i believe.
21:40:49 #corewars: < brx> it's just...
21:40:53 #corewars: < brx> i want simone :(
21:40:58 #corewars:  * brx begins to cry
21:41:44 #corewars: < Roy> shruck...
21:42:29 #corewars:  * Roy begins to sing: "You can't always get what you want..."
21:42:47 #corewars: < brx> you can always destroy what you wanted though.
21:44:39 #corewars: < Roy> Yup, but that wouldn't help neither of you
21:45:23 #corewars: < brx> .. why not? 
21:45:31 #corewars: < brx> it would be much easier getting over her ^^
21:45:47 #corewars: < brx> uh..
21:45:48 #corewars: < Roy> You still don't have what you want, and she lost something she wanted :)
21:45:48 #corewars: < brx> you know
21:46:10 #corewars: < brx> so what, it's not about reasoning
21:46:44 #corewars: < Roy> No, but err...just don't :)
21:47:01 #corewars:  * brx shrugs
21:47:05 #corewars: < brx> we'll see
21:47:08 #corewars: < brx> how i feel
21:47:09 #corewars: < brx> or rather
21:47:34 #corewars: < brx> how high i score in france
21:47:40 #corewars: < brx> :P
21:48:24 #corewars: < Roy> no no no, no french, bleh, yuk
21:48:46 #corewars: < Roy> I might have a frenchofobia or something :)
21:49:19 #corewars: < brx> lol
21:49:29 #corewars: < brx> well i love the language's melody
21:49:41 #corewars: < brx> though i myself can not speak french
21:49:46 #corewars: < Roy> No, I hate that language, and its people etc
21:49:52 #corewars: < brx> oh and i don#t like french guys
21:49:55 #corewars: < brx> i only like the females
21:50:08 #corewars: < Roy> Je ne parle pas fransais
21:50:19 #corewars: < Roy> (thats about the only sentence I know)
21:50:27 #corewars: < brx> okay.
21:50:29 #corewars: < brx> okay roy :)
21:50:43 #corewars: < Roy> Je'm apele Roy
21:50:56 #corewars: < Roy> ohw, and I know Roy means King :)
21:51:11 #corewars: < brx> m'appele i think
21:51:18 #corewars: < brx> ^^
21:51:21 #corewars: < brx> i am not sure
21:51:28 #corewars: < Roy> yup, looks better
21:52:05 #corewars: < brx> i am hungry
21:52:08 #corewars: < Roy> (acutaly Roi means king, but thats the original form of my name)
21:52:10 #corewars: < brx> btw, i am no killer.
21:52:18 #corewars: < brx> i am a geeky dork
21:52:32 #corewars: < Roy> Speaking of geeky, I like greece!
21:52:37 #corewars: < brx> ...
21:52:44 #corewars: < brx> i have never been there
21:53:29 #corewars: < Roy> Me neither, but I just love to read about that country etc, and if I survive this year with my girlfriend then next year we'll go to Greece on vacation
21:53:41 #corewars: < brx> oh that's nice
21:54:01 #corewars:  * Roy is already saving money...it sounds expensive
21:55:02 #corewars: < Roy> And Greek food is just the best in the world :)
21:55:17 #corewars: < brx> hmmmm i like.... american food ^^
21:55:30 #corewars: < Roy> Nah, Greek food is just the best :)
21:55:38 #corewars: < brx> i like steak...
21:55:42 #corewars: < brx> steak and... french fries
21:55:43 #corewars: < brx> and....
21:55:45 #corewars: < brx> hamburgers ^^
21:56:03 #corewars: < Roy> Giros...and I also like wraps and tortilias
21:56:08 #corewars: < bvowk> and heart disease?
21:56:39 #corewars: < Roy> Only rare, not medium...I don't care, I have a spare heart
21:56:47 #corewars:  * brx sighs
21:56:50 #corewars: < brx> okay bbl
21:56:54 #corewars: < brx> time to fetch some food
21:57:01 #corewars: < Roy> bye!
22:05:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> damnit
22:05:42 #corewars: < Mizcu> third item-run on diablo and only 3 runes found..
22:09:56 #corewars: < pkhuong> mizcu: want my pindlebot?
22:11:06 #corewars: < Roy> pindlebot...?
22:11:27 #corewars: < pkhuong> runs pindle automatically
22:11:46 #corewars: < pkhuong> uses autoit, so it's undetectable. the item picker might be, though.
22:12:02 #corewars: < Roy> Aha, Diablo bot..
22:12:12 #corewars: < pkhuong> i wanted to make one w/ autoit, and then i learned that the bot was already using it, so it was all useless :)
22:12:42 #corewars: < Mizcu> pkh: nah, better to suffer by hand
22:13:13 #corewars: < pkhuong> lol
22:13:33 #corewars: < Mizcu> pindle has been downtweaked anyway
22:15:03 #corewars: < pkhuong> still has a good mlvl
22:45:43 #corewars: < brx> re
22:46:49 #corewars: < brx> mir ist langweilig
22:46:53 #corewars: < brx> warst du gestern im eisgrub?
22:46:56 #corewars: < brx> ...
22:47:01 #corewars: < brx> wrong... window
22:47:16 #corewars: < Roy> nein, ich warst da nicht :(
22:47:50 #corewars: < brx> ..
22:48:52 #corewars: < brx> not bad roy.
22:48:53 #corewars: < brx> lol
22:49:53 #corewars: < Roy> But uhm, I don't know what eisgrub ist..ich habe keine anuhng
22:50:16 #corewars:  * bvowk doesn't even speak english well :(
22:50:30 #corewars: < brx> it's a ... brewery
22:50:37 #corewars: < brx> we often go there to get drunk
22:50:42 #corewars: < brx> actually
22:51:29 #corewars: < Roy> I like the sound of that :)
22:51:37 #corewars: < Roy> grub means uhm alcohol?
22:51:38 #corewars: < brx> we (me and the people of my ...
22:51:42 #corewars: < brx> no :)
22:51:50 #corewars: < Roy> what is it? sounds familiar..
22:51:56 #corewars: < brx> you know i have finished ... school
22:51:58 #corewars: < brx> and .. me
22:52:01 #corewars: < brx> and the people of my...
22:52:18 #corewars: < brx> we meet there every odd monday
22:52:28 #corewars: < brx> yesterday was an even monday though
22:52:47 #corewars: < brx> however
22:52:55 #corewars: < Roy> aha ok, just people from collega
22:52:57 #corewars: < brx> about 30 people of my....
22:53:00 #corewars: < Roy> *college
22:53:02 #corewars: < brx> were there
22:53:11 #corewars: < brx> well notr eally
22:53:15 #corewars: < brx> more specific
22:53:17 #corewars: < brx> anyway
22:56:21 #corewars: < brx> well
22:56:23 #corewars: < brx> WRONG WINDOW
22:56:36 #corewars: < bvowk> you suck at that window selection thing
22:56:54 #corewars: < brx> it's just that..
22:57:04 #corewars: < brx> focus follows mouse :)
22:57:26 #corewars: < bvowk> I don't think your focus follows much of anything at all tho :)
22:57:44 #corewars: < Roy> Ford Focus?
22:58:21 #corewars: < brx> barkley :(
22:58:26 #corewars: < brx> you are... insulting me
22:58:35 #corewars:  * brx sighs
22:58:37 #corewars: < bvowk> I insult everyone.. don't think you're special :)
22:58:43 #corewars: < pkhuong> heh
22:59:06 #corewars: < brx> tja
22:59:21 #corewars: < brx> was auch immer.
23:00:30 #corewars: < Roy> Ich bin ein hollander!
23:00:35 #corewars: < brx> ich weiss.
23:00:43 #corewars: < Roy> Heil Holland! :)
23:00:45 #corewars: < brx> ich dachte hollaender moegen deutschland nicht
23:00:46 #corewars: < brx> LOL
23:01:23 #corewars: < Roy> Doch, ich habe keine probliemen mit deutschlendern (ok, this isn't correct)
23:01:53 #corewars: < brx> ...no, that's the name of a certain brand of sausages
23:02:02 #corewars: < brx> "deutschlaender"
23:02:11 #corewars: < brx> "deutschlaender wuerstchen"
23:02:20 #corewars: < brx> heh.
23:02:35 #corewars: < Roy> WW II ist ganz verlieden teid
23:02:49 #corewars: < Roy> (lol, its getting worst by the word)
23:02:56 #corewars: < brx> verlieden?
23:03:00 #corewars: < brx> teid?
23:03:04 #corewars: < Roy> past time :)
23:03:09 #corewars: < brx> ooooh
23:03:14 #corewars: < brx> ist vergangenheit :)
23:03:25 #corewars: < Roy> Ganz toll! ;)
23:03:29 #corewars: < brx> lol
23:03:50 #corewars:  * bvowk attempts to align his words
23:05:20 #corewars: < Roy> bvowk ist ein sweinhund?
23:06:04 #corewars: < brx> schweinehund
23:06:05 #corewars: < brx> !
23:06:22 #corewars: < Roy> :) super!
23:06:41 #corewars:  * bvowk wonders
23:07:15 #corewars: < Roy> brx ist ein computersonderling :P
23:07:31 #corewars: < brx> and proud of it.
23:08:51 #corewars: < Roy> Damn, I was trying to insult :)
23:09:49 #corewars: < Roy> brx riekt wie einfauler fisch und sieht wie eine 100 einjahresleiche aus!
23:10:37 #corewars: < Roy> Does that sound more offending? :)
23:11:26 #corewars: < brx> no
23:11:42 #corewars: < Roy> argh argh :(
23:11:54 #corewars: < brx> don't try, it's impossible :)
23:12:05 #corewars: < brx> you could make me look like a stupid moron though
23:12:14 #corewars: < brx> that might make me angry
23:12:43 #corewars: < Roy> English is much better: Fuck off you fucking asshole that fucking smells like a fucking cunt!
23:12:51 #corewars: < bvowk> heh
23:13:13 #corewars: < Roy> Flange!
23:13:23 #corewars: < brx> touche
23:14:41 #corewars: < Roy> lol Bumsen Sie weg! :P
23:14:45 #corewars: < brx> lol
23:14:58 #corewars: < Roy> It just doesn't sound right :)
23:16:34 #corewars: < Roy> bumsen sounds like fun though...
23:17:10 #corewars: < brx> lol
23:17:11 #corewars: < michal> hehe
23:17:19 #corewars: < michal> I just typed www.foofle.com
23:17:21 #corewars: < michal> and it worked
23:17:39 #corewars: < Roy> lol :)
23:18:19 #corewars: < Roy> http://www.booble.com/ (does not really work, but is fun too)
23:18:27 #corewars: < brx> ...
23:19:02 #corewars: < Roy> hoohle doesn't work..
23:19:03 #corewars: < pkhuong> it used to work, though :/
23:19:43 #corewars: < Roy> foogle is something diff too
23:20:04 #corewars: < Roy> http://www.goofle.com/ is still available :)
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23:20:45 #corewars: < fizmo> hi
23:20:47 #corewars: < pkhuong> hey
23:20:54 #corewars: < Roy> hi
23:21:15 #corewars: < brx> hi fizmo 
23:21:17 #corewars: < fizmo> Hi Roy: Nice D-test :)
23:21:32 #corewars: < fizmo> u added a spl #0?
23:22:23 #corewars: < fizmo> heya, Bvowkium Fizmoxide is on 94nop :-P
23:27:20 #corewars: < Mizcu> ah, finally found an ort and upgraded my katar into quhab..
23:27:28 #corewars: < Mizcu> time to go get some sleep
23:27:51 #corewars: < pkhuong> :)
23:27:52 #corewars: < pkhuong> nite
23:28:12 #corewars: < fizmo> good night Mizcu
23:28:17 #corewars: < Roy> night!
23:31:18 #corewars: < bvowk> hey cool!
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23:32:59 #corewars: < fizmo> Hi bvowk
23:35:04 #corewars: < bvowk> hi fizmo
23:35:19 #corewars: < bvowk> congrats on the b/f :)
23:35:39 #corewars: < bvowk> heh.. that sounds wrong
23:35:49 #corewars: < fizmo> wrong?
23:36:04 #corewars: < bvowk> congrats on the Bvowkium Fizmoxide!
23:36:07 #corewars: < bvowk> that sounds better
23:36:15 #corewars: < fizmo> :-P
23:36:21 #corewars: < bvowk> heh
23:36:34 #corewars: < fizmo> That's a pretty cool warrior now
23:37:05 #corewars: < fizmo> a real b-imp killa with a good blurish resistance
23:37:41 #corewars: < pkhuong> mm... how could that happen? stone/paper?
23:38:32 #corewars: < fizmo> silk/evolved-style clear and silk/imps
23:38:40 #corewars: < Roy> Secret evolved ingredient
23:38:44 #corewars: < pkhuong> lol
23:39:05 #corewars: < Roy> clearing silks and silkimps rule the hill :)
23:40:48 #corewars: < fizmo> it also resists the paper dodger Bottomless Pit
23:41:12 #corewars: < Roy> Bottomless Pit is cool, I really liked playing with that :)
23:41:30 #corewars: < fizmo> Yes, a cool idea :)
23:41:34 #corewars: < Roy> We should publish it...? Could you do an articla about it maybe? for the CW?
23:41:44 #corewars: < fizmo> works also well on multihill
23:41:51 #corewars: < Roy> I noticed :)
23:42:03 #corewars: < pkhuong> paper dodger?
23:42:16 #corewars: < Roy> Ok guys, a name for the KOTH for the next couple of months please..
23:42:17 #corewars: < pkhuong> what do you drop? a clear!?
23:42:23 #corewars: < fizmo> Yes, for the issue #90
23:42:36 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, a special clear
23:42:42 #corewars: < pkhuong> :p
23:43:12 #corewars: < Roy> I need a name :) Devilstick 2 is so boring...
23:43:30 #corewars: < fizmo> Devils Playground ?
23:43:52 #corewars: < fizmo> erhm: Devil's Playground
23:43:57 #corewars: < pkhuong> Cinamonamonamon
23:44:08 #corewars: < Roy> WHAT? :) lol
23:44:19 #corewars: < fizmo> Cinamaniac
23:44:53 #corewars: < fizmo> Deviant
23:44:56 #corewars: < pkhuong> imagine a small kid w/ trouble knowing when to stop staying the last phonemes :)
23:45:26 #corewars: < fizmo> :)
23:45:30 #corewars: < Roy> Yeah :)
23:45:48 #corewars: < Roy> Deviant is a cool word, but look at the 88 hill :P
23:46:05 #corewars: < Roy> 15   Deviant Scanner     Roy van Rijn     42   45   13   139.98   8 
23:46:13 #corewars: < fizmo> ohh
23:46:29 #corewars: < pkhuong> mm... generally speaking, are mov #1, <1 bombs any good?
23:46:35 #corewars: < pkhuong> (for a stone)
23:46:53 #corewars: < Roy> No idea...
23:47:09 #corewars: < pkhuong> i think i'll try bomber/dodger -> ssd-clear.
23:47:17 #corewars: < fizmo> hrmm, if it isn't the only bomb-typ, maybe
23:48:48 #corewars: < pkhuong> mov *1, <1 maybe...
23:50:41 #corewars: < fizmo> I am not sure if mov *1, <1 is a good anti b-imp bomb
23:50:59 #corewars: < pkhuong> naw, useless.
23:51:18 #corewars: < pkhuong> i wanted to reuse it w/ an indendiary, but i don,t think i could do it
23:57:36 #corewars: < Roy> I want a more happy name....not with the devil :)
23:58:16 #corewars: < Roy> (I'm in a happy period in my life)
23:58:31 #corewars: < pkhuong> Happy Bunny
23:58:31 #corewars: < pkhuong> :p
23:58:37 #corewars: < pkhuong> <- afk
23:58:42 #corewars: < Roy> Err...I'm happy, not gay ;)
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