--- Log opened Tue Apr 06 00:00:17 2004
00:47:46 #corewars: < jakub> ok, have to go
00:47:47 #corewars: < jakub> bye
00:47:57 #corewars:  * jakub waves ... ach, memories :)
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01:30:00 #corewars: < brx> re
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05:08:50 #corewars: < bvowk_> hrm
07:08:38 #corewars: < grabek> hrm
07:08:41 #corewars: < grabek> time i wen to work
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13:27:50 #corewars: < brx_> re
13:27:55 #corewars: < brx_> morning ^^
13:29:13 #corewars: < Mizcu> g'mornin' brx
13:29:23 #corewars: < brx_> kenshin is way better than i had imagined after watching the first 20 eps
13:44:19 #corewars: < brx_> how are you doing Mizcu 
13:44:31 #corewars: < Mizcu> as always
13:44:42 #corewars: < brx_> you should do better
13:44:43 #corewars: < brx_> ^^
13:45:21 #corewars: < brx_> shpongle?
13:45:25 #corewars: < brx_> was it shpongleß
13:45:47 #corewars: < Mizcu> www.shpongle.com
13:45:52 #corewars: < brx_> thx
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14:36:54 #corewars: < brx_> NMIIIII
14:36:56 #corewars: < brx_> ZGGUUUCUUC
14:40:08 #corewars: < Mizcu> second time for spontaneus disconnection with new isp
14:42:35 #corewars: < brx_> Mizcu
14:42:43 #corewars: < brx_> will you attend this years cw meeting? ^^
14:44:17 #corewars: < Mizcu> nope
14:44:29 #corewars: < brx_> aw
14:44:30 #corewars: < brx_> why not?
14:44:34 #corewars: < Mizcu> maybe as irc-lurker, but wont be coming to germany
14:47:13 #corewars: < brx_> miz
14:47:41 #corewars: < Mizcu> brx
14:47:47 #corewars: < brx_> wn
14:49:52 #corewars: < Mizcu> you mentioned my name, i mentioned yours..
14:50:30 #corewars: < brx_> why not 
14:50:40 #corewars: < brx_> 14:44 < brx_> why not?
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15:14:44 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi j
15:14:55 #corewars: < joonas> hi
15:15:11 #corewars: < jaska> meeting?
15:15:39 #corewars: < Mizcu> jaska: see corewar.info 
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15:25:17 #corewars: < jaska> ah, no location info
15:25:20 #corewars: < jaska> yet
15:37:56 #corewars: < joonas> back
15:39:08 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. corewar.info colours make it hard to read the text
15:41:21 #corewars:  * jaska nods
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15:58:29 #corewars: < brx_> re
16:01:07 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello
16:03:20 #corewars: < willvarfa> bbs
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16:09:07 #corewars: < bvowk_> hrm
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16:10:42 #corewars: < brx_> hellaw bvowk_ 
16:10:45 #corewars: < bvowk_> greets
16:10:49 #corewars: < brx_> how are your imps doing
16:11:12 #corewars: < bvowk_> extinct
16:11:20 #corewars: < bvowk_> we've got odd little stones now
16:12:15 #corewars: < brx_> heh
16:12:28 #corewars: < brx_> the extinct part was clear i guess
16:12:28 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello barkley
16:12:36 #corewars: < brx_> see my weird abstract statement yesterday or so
16:16:04 #corewars: < bvowk_> hrm
16:16:10 #corewars: < bvowk_> my warrior seems to have gone astray
16:16:17 #corewars: < bvowk_> no appearance in the queue yet
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16:20:00 #corewars: < bvowk_> greets joonas
16:20:02 #corewars: < joonas> hey
16:20:12 #corewars: < bvowk_> how's it going?
16:20:25 #corewars:  * joonas is astounded
16:20:51 #corewars: < bvowk_> hey will, I thought you had no computrons for the next little while
16:20:54 #corewars: < bvowk_> astounded?
16:21:27 #corewars: < joonas> just found out (suspect) that a bottle-neck in one of our programs is an innocent looking 10 line loop-a-loop
16:21:39 #corewars: < willvarfa> my laptop is currently 27% on pass 3 of 8 on DBAN :-)
16:21:55 #corewars: < willvarfa> gprof joonas?
16:22:17 #corewars: < joonas> real men don't need gprof... they just run it and look at log messages. :)
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16:22:22 #corewars: < joonas> yeah, should gprof
16:22:41 #corewars: < joonas> will: what's DBAN ?
16:22:43 #corewars: < joonas> hi neo
16:22:56 #corewars: < Neogryzor> hi, joonas
16:23:07 #corewars: < bvowk_> dban = dariks boot and nuke
16:23:18 #corewars: < bvowk_> provider of a 35 pass guttman wipe :)
16:23:41 #corewars: < bvowk_> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html
16:23:48 #corewars: < joonas> thanks
16:24:23 #corewars: < brx_> hi
16:24:37 #corewars: < bvowk_> which program is this? (exhaust?! :))
16:25:31 #corewars: < joonas> if exhaust had an innocent looking 10 line loop taking up wads of time, I'd kick it until it stopped looping.
16:26:31 #corewars: < bvowk_> poor litle exhaust..
16:27:55 #corewars: < Neogryzor> btw, i just posted MC#6 anouncement. Everyone is invited
16:28:46 #corewars:  * willvarfa runs!
16:29:05 #corewars: < Neogryzor> :)
16:29:11 #corewars:  * bvowk_ goes to work
16:29:23 #corewars: < joonas> neo: what's the url to your page?
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16:30:31 #corewars:  * joonas cheers on Chip Wendell
16:32:04 #corewars: < willvarfa> http://www.estadium.ya.com/neogryzor/corewars.htm <-- mc6
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16:33:22 #corewars: < joonas> thanks.
16:33:35 #corewars: < joonas> was just reading it
16:33:45 #corewars: < joonas> interesting idea.
16:33:58 #corewars: < joonas> a shame the p-spacer can be only 10 lines long.
16:34:01 #corewars: < joonas> 100
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16:34:31 #corewars: < joonas> hi
16:34:43 #corewars: < joonas> could you increase the maxlength of a warrior to 500 ?
16:34:51 #corewars: < joonas> and p-space size to CORESIZE ?
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16:35:08 #corewars: < Neogryzor> hi again. URL: http://www.estadium.ya.com/neogryzor/corewars.htm
16:35:20 #corewars: < joonas> yes, thanks.  was just reading it.
16:35:59 #corewars:  * brx_ might participate
16:36:02 #corewars: < Neogryzor> don't you have enough with 94 instructions and 500 p-space locations!?
16:36:19 #corewars: < Neogryzor> brx_: good
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16:36:41 #corewars: < joonas> why have the limits for a mini-challenge round?
16:36:47 #corewars: < brx_> hi michal 
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16:37:05 #corewars: < joonas> hi michal
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16:38:02 #corewars: < Neogryzor> hi michal, want to take part on MC#6?
16:39:34 #corewars: < michal> hello
16:39:49 #corewars:  * Neogryzor thinks joonas si thinking on create a hugh table for random switching
16:40:01 #corewars: < michal> neo: I'd like to see it before I declare myself :)
16:40:10 #corewars: < brx> 5000 rounds
16:40:14 #corewars: < brx> yes that is enough for my strat ^^
16:40:30 #corewars: < joonas> it'd be easier to make a random number generator in redcode I think
16:40:49 #corewars: < will_varf> only source of randomness would be the opponent's core?
16:41:23 #corewars: < joonas> hm?
16:42:09 #corewars: < michal> okay, nice enough :)
16:44:17 #corewars: < Neogryzor> joonas: okay -l 500 -d 500, no problem
16:44:29 #corewars: < brx> okay
16:45:04 #corewars: < will_varf> lol
16:45:48 #corewars: < Neogryzor> okay
16:46:00 #corewars: < joonas> great.  now how about -S 8000 too?
16:46:49 #corewars: < will_varf> hmm joonas, why don't you suggest your mega-pmars-line?  (complete with perms switch?)
16:47:07 #corewars: < Neogryzor> yes :)
16:48:35 #corewars: < joonas> oh, ok.  -s 65536 -c 128000 -p 8 -l 500 -d 500 -S 65536 
16:48:50 #corewars: < joonas> maybe -c could be a bit smaller
16:49:15 #corewars: < will_varf> how many rounds?
16:49:27 #corewars: < joonas> -P
16:49:41 #corewars: < will_varf> would -p affect the win-percentage for the stone?
16:49:55 #corewars: < joonas> stone?
16:49:58 #corewars: < will_varf> clear
16:50:00 #corewars: < brx> clear
16:50:01 #corewars: < Neogryzor> hey joonas, do you want my 233 MHz to burn?
16:50:08 #corewars: < joonas> lol
16:50:13 #corewars: < joonas> I'll run it for you!
16:50:35 #corewars: < will_varf> German, I hope that I can take part; this is a very very interesting round, and one that I would enjoy learning pspace for :-D
16:50:44 #corewars: < will_varf> take care everyone!  Hope I'll be back online soon
16:50:47 #corewars:  * will_varf *WAVES*
16:50:50 #corewars: < will_varf> happy redcoding!
16:50:51 #corewars:  * joonas waves
16:50:57 #corewars:  * brx waves
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16:51:05 #corewars: < Neogryzor> I hope so Will. see you
16:51:11 #corewars:  * Neogryzor waves
16:53:09 #corewars: < joonas> so what do you say?
16:53:27 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. development might be a pain in such a big coresize :/
16:53:47 #corewars: < joonas> ok, nevermind.
16:53:58 #corewars: < Neogryzor> yes, smaller needed
16:54:45 #corewars: < michal> I'd like a smaller one too
16:55:00 #corewars: < michal> maybe around 15-20k
16:55:23 #corewars: < joonas> all I was really after was lots of p-space
16:55:59 #corewars: < Neogryzor> do you wark for Microsoft? :D
16:56:36 #corewars: < Neogryzor> work
16:56:48 #corewars: < joonas> but then, it hits me now, if a warrior is going to use as many p-space cells as coresize, then the opponent's clear will probably kill said warrior before it's done thinking.
16:56:51 #corewars: < joonas> heh
17:01:07 #corewars: < brx> joonas: yes that came to my mind too... how about a minumum number of cycles spent in the p-spacer part
17:01:31 #corewars: < brx> not sure however, suppose the number would have to be carefully chosen.
17:02:41 #corewars: < brx> (there should be a cycles-left field in pspace) :P
17:03:38 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. OTOH, is it such a bad idea that slow thinkers are penalized a little?
17:04:23 #corewars: < brx> not really, depends on what is more important.
17:04:35 #corewars: < brx> complex pspacers or effective ones.
17:04:42 #corewars: < joonas> neo: what do you think?
17:05:27 #corewars: < bvowk> schweet!
17:05:31 #corewars: < Neogryzor> well, size has the answer. If length is 500, you know you have 500 cycles to think.
17:05:33 #corewars: < bvowk> oops.. wrong window
17:06:05 #corewars: < Neogryzor> (been -d 500 too, of course)
17:06:35 #corewars: < brx> Neogryzor: looping?
17:06:57 #corewars: < Neogryzor> also you can put a white space in front of your warrior to get extra time
17:07:00 #corewars: < brx> and that is the max not a min
17:09:26 #corewars: < Neogryzor> -l 500 -d 500: minimum 500 cycles before been attacked by clear or imp
17:10:04 #corewars: < joonas> depends where the clear|imp is placed in the opponent's/your warrior?
17:12:55 #corewars: < Neogryzor> yes, it its minimum. If you think longer, you assume a risk.
17:13:43 #corewars: < brx> yhyhyh
17:13:44 #corewars: < bvowk> wouldn't the imp/clear writer make sure they don't start their clear less than 500 cells away?
17:15:40 #corewars: < Neogryzor> components cannot be modiffied. They start clearing/"imping" just where they are
17:16:47 #corewars: < bvowk> ahh
17:16:55 #corewars:  * bvowk just came in the middle
17:17:37 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. ok.
17:17:58 #corewars: < joonas> turns out it's *another* innocent 10 line loop that's eating time.
17:18:14 #corewars: < brx> so what are the options again?
17:18:18 #corewars: < brx> pmars setting
17:18:22 #corewars: < brx> or isn't it final
17:21:10 #corewars: < Neogryzor> not too big coresize. It would make testing a pain. I suggest 8000.
17:21:54 #corewars: < joonas> someone's making me hungry...
17:22:02 #corewars: < brx> btw
17:22:07 #corewars: < joonas> I'm off to get something to eat
17:22:09 #corewars: < joonas> bbl
17:22:12 #corewars: < brx> if anyone is interested in world of warcraft
17:22:13 #corewars: < brx> http://wow.warcry.com/content/tv/?cam=ZProtoss
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17:40:09 #corewars: < brx> http://www.bash.org/?258908
17:40:09 #corewars: < brx> lol
17:46:09 #corewars: < jaska> hahah
17:46:12 #corewars: < Neogryzor> lol, funny site
17:48:51 #corewars:  * bvowk rattles joonas
17:48:58 #corewars: < Neogryzor> <Asha`monkey> One time I was watching porn for like twenty minutes. When I was finished, I took off my headphones and found the sound blaring out of my regular speakers as well.
17:49:01 #corewars: < Neogryzor> <Asha`monkey> My mom told me to turn it down.
17:50:58 #corewars: < brx> lol
17:54:00 #corewars: < Neogryzor> to go. I'll be online tomorrow to discuss MC#6 pmars command line :)
17:54:09 #corewars:  * Neogryzor waves
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17:56:54 #corewars: < brx> http://www.bash.org/?16857
18:02:16 #corewars: < brx> <SPCAman> Oh shit ! I just killed my dog
18:02:17 #corewars: < brx> <SPCAman> I was pulling it by the chain to try to get it on my lap
18:02:17 #corewars: < brx> <SPCAman> and it's head just dangled.
18:02:17 #corewars: < brx> <SPCAman> brb. Gonna throw it out of the balcony so my kids will think it fell.
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18:10:31 #corewars:  * joonas returns all filled up
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19:00:57 #corewars: < Ghost> Hi
19:01:15 #corewars: < joonas> hi
19:01:43 #corewars: < joonas> been here long?
19:02:19 #corewars: < Ghost> Hi Joonas
19:02:24 #corewars: < Ghost> Just arrived
19:02:47 #corewars: < joonas> have you been here before?
19:03:11 #corewars: < joonas> it's unusually quiet at the moment I think.
19:03:37 #corewars: < Ghost> Seems to be a quiet time recently, everyone busy
19:03:55 #corewars: < joonas> so thanks for the package
19:04:37 #corewars: < joonas> it's somehow balancing that Chip Wendell would win RF17
19:04:59 #corewars: < Ghost> Yes :-)
19:05:36 #corewars: < Ghost> Sorry to make you late for work.  Sorry for poor copying too, some edges are clipped off.  Next time I will get them to copy at 95%.
19:05:57 #corewars: < joonas> hm. yes.  I was thinking about transcribing them.
19:06:09 #corewars: < joonas> but it's a bit hard with some of the words missing.
19:06:17 #corewars: < joonas> most are guessable thov
19:08:02 #corewars: < Ghost> Some have a couple of letters missing :-(
19:08:14 #corewars: < Ghost> Damn copy-shop.
19:08:34 #corewars: < joonas> some great ideas in there though.
19:09:04 #corewars: < joonas> for instance a pseudo-op to give a per-warrior MAXPROCESSES
19:09:14 #corewars: < Ghost> Yes. :-)
19:09:45 #corewars: < joonas> you can almost trace the birth of scanners through the newsletter too
19:10:14 #corewars: < brx> okay gtg
19:12:00 #corewars: < joonas> I don't think I like the idea of a CW Society so much.
19:13:02 #corewars:  * Ghost waves
19:13:08 #corewars: < Ghost> No, I don't like the idea.
19:13:20 #corewars: < Ghost> Well, not one which controls everything
19:13:57 #corewars: < Ghost> One which is devoted solely to promoting the game, without interfering or dictating doesn't sound so bad
19:13:58 #corewars: < joonas> The editor of the newsletter in particular gave the impression of liking bureacracy.
19:14:28 #corewars: < joonas> all the power to him all the same, and many thanks for keeping the newsletter going all those years.
19:14:37 #corewars: < Ghost> W R Buckley, we came across him a short while ago.  He later took over from Mark Clarkson as director
19:15:24 #corewars: < Ghost> Followed by Jon Newman as director and Mark Durham as editor
19:15:36 #corewars: < joonas> I meant Buckley
19:15:46 #corewars: < Ghost> Those early issues are copyright :-(
19:16:07 #corewars: < joonas> shame
19:16:18 #corewars: < joonas> hm. I bet the latter issues are too.
19:16:28 #corewars: < joonas> only I've transcribed them also.
19:16:32 #corewars: < joonas> not distributed tho.
19:17:42 #corewars: < Ghost> Those during Newman's directorship are copyright, but freely distributable I believe
19:18:21 #corewars: < joonas> so, assume for a moment that a person could program without using visual core displays.
19:18:34 #corewars: < joonas> how do you think they go about debugging their warriors?
19:18:47 #corewars: < joonas> they go -> they would go
19:21:25 #corewars: < Ghost> If it scores badly, it still has a bug!
19:21:46 #corewars: < joonas> lol
19:21:56 #corewars: < Ghost> Look hard until you find it, remove, repeat by seeing how it scores now.
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19:22:18 #corewars: < Roy> hello
19:22:28 #corewars: < joonas> hi roy
19:22:54 #corewars: < Ghost> Hi Roy
19:23:55 #corewars: < Roy> Exiting day today, the first round of Gridwars, hopefully I will survive maybe one round :)
19:24:29 #corewars:  * joonas crosses his fingers
19:25:22 #corewars: < Roy> My warriors are bad, I won't get far :)
19:25:28 #corewars: < joonas> is robert macrae playing?
19:26:10 #corewars: < Roy> I don't think so, but I think I saw Paul Kline there
19:27:51 #corewars: < Roy> Also two people "bolts" and "Paul Mumby" where talking about Corewars
19:28:03 #corewars: < joonas> are the fights live on the web?
19:28:25 #corewars: < Roy> Ohw, Robert is also joining
19:28:45 #corewars: < Roy> No, the fights are held on the Clusterworld convention, posted on the forum this evening
19:29:44 #corewars: < Roy> Andy Monakov is also talking a lot about corewars, actualy mentioning the 20 years aneversarie
19:29:50 #corewars: < Roy> (can't spell, evil me)
19:30:22 #corewars: < joonas> who's andy?
19:30:48 #corewars: < Roy> No idea, I hoped one of you knew him :)
19:32:18 #corewars: < Ghost> No :-/
19:32:41 #corewars: < Ghost> Just updated the infinite tiny hill, 161 warriors and a new feature :-)
19:32:47 #corewars: < Roy> The guy I'm up against in the first round build his warriors to tie in the first round, so maybe I have a change...
19:33:05 #corewars: < Roy> Hey, mr Ghost > When can we expect the new CoreWarrior?
19:34:35 #corewars: < joonas> heh... I like the GridWars forums page.
19:34:50 #corewars: < Ghost> Hmmm... I was writing an article last week, just making some amendments the referee would like ;-)
19:35:51 #corewars: < Roy> You like the forum page? Well, every other thing about Gridwars is complete and utter crap...even that CxC language is
19:39:05 #corewars: < joonas> Roy: what's a BORG?
19:39:20 #corewars: < Ghost> Don't know if the new feature's gives any clues about Unknown or not!
19:39:46 #corewars: < Roy> Borg is a warrior, a very good one :)
19:40:02 #corewars: < Roy> (Borg is probebly unbeatable now)
19:40:43 #corewars: < joonas> hm.
19:41:38 #corewars: < Roy> So most people made Borg clones this competition
19:41:53 #corewars: < Roy> I bet the best improved clone will win...
19:41:59 #corewars: < joonas> there are a few score reports with SoV age 2396
19:42:10 #corewars: < joonas> sorry
19:42:43 #corewars: < Roy> Next warrior on the hill will make SoV hit 2400....nice score
19:43:17 #corewars: < joonas> hm. yes.
19:44:01 #corewars: < joonas> if only this stupid Devilstick weren't in the way, it'd be oldest KOTH again. ;)
19:44:30 #corewars: < Roy> Shall I kill it? :)
19:44:36 #corewars: < joonas> noooooo!
19:44:42 #corewars: < Ghost> Leave that to us Roy
19:45:30 #corewars: < Roy> Well....that Hazy clone and Arrow are also koth now, Dev has already lost much of his lead, and is now second/third most of the time
19:46:01 #corewars: < joonas> how does devilstick do against mini-hsas ?
19:46:12 #corewars: < Roy> Dunno...submit one!
19:46:15 #corewars: < joonas> ok
19:46:18 #corewars: < joonas> brb
19:46:46 #corewars: < Roy> I bet it does pretty well, its optimized against scanners, and scores best against HSA style scanners
19:46:59 #corewars: < Roy> (except Recon2)
19:47:41 #corewars: < Ghost> Change the number of points in your imp then!
19:47:43 #corewars: < joonas> hm. damn.
19:48:04 #corewars: < Roy> But there are too many Blurrish scanners now, Hazy (2x) Arrow, Dandelion, spell of the moon
19:48:27 #corewars: < Roy> My imp has 7 points (I think, lemme check)
19:48:28 #corewars: < joonas> blurlikes kill my minihsa :(
19:49:01 #corewars: < Roy> Yup, 7 point imps now
19:49:33 #corewars: < Roy> hey, pong is back :)
19:51:24 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. lets see how she does.
19:51:26 #corewars: < joonas> it
19:51:47 #corewars: < Roy> I'm glad with those scores :)
19:52:01 #corewars: < Ghost> Is B94 Blurish.  It scores similarly to one, but something makes me wonder
19:52:18 #corewars: < Roy> B94 is special, but now really my code
19:52:54 #corewars: < Roy> Age 2400, grats!
19:53:14 #corewars: < joonas> ouch.. those blurlikes really kick pong.
19:53:27 #corewars: < Roy> now->not, its not my code
19:55:01 #corewars: < joonas> it's odd that B94 ties so much
19:55:08 #corewars: < joonas> vs. devilstick
19:55:19 #corewars: < joonas> 37% even
19:58:53 #corewars: < Roy> Heh :) teamwork
19:59:15 #corewars: < joonas> hm. much like pong and Sov! :)
19:59:35 #corewars: < Roy> No, not much like that, much less then THAT :)
19:59:36 #corewars: < joonas> well, only because the latter was optimised against the former
19:59:51 #corewars: < Ghost> Gotta go in 2 mins :-/
19:59:55 #corewars: < joonas> ok.
20:00:00 #corewars:  * joonas waves 
20:00:05 #corewars:  * Ghost waves
20:00:05 #corewars: < joonas> in advance in case I miss you leaving
20:00:46 #corewars:  * Roy waves
20:02:43 #corewars: < Ghost> See you tomorrow.
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20:03:27 #corewars: < Roy> me is leaving too, bye!
20:03:29 -!- Roy [~roy_van_r@kf-mss-cb01-00409.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has quit []
20:33:00 #corewars: < Mizcu> *yawn*
20:33:32 #corewars: < Mizcu> damn, my medication makes me sleepy
20:38:47 #corewars:  * joonas got bit by std::string again :(
20:50:32 -!- You're now known as jakub
20:50:33 #corewars: < jakub> hello
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20:55:32 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi jakub
20:55:38 #corewars: < jakub> hey
20:55:43 #corewars: < jakub> tommorow is my big day
20:55:46 #corewars: < jakub> grr :-/
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20:58:13 #corewars: < joonas> hi
20:58:58 #corewars: < jakub> hi
21:01:18 #corewars: < grabek> you mean, jakub 
21:03:57 #corewars: < joonas> what's the big day?
21:04:15 #corewars: < jakub> final examination from Slovak Language
21:04:29 #corewars: < jakub> no, I'm not marrying :)
21:05:12 #corewars: < grabek> final?
21:05:21 #corewars: < joonas> good luck
21:05:29 #corewars: < grabek> secondary school?
21:05:34 #corewars: < jakub> yep, I am ending high school this year
21:06:22 #corewars: < grabek> congrats and good luck
21:06:43 #corewars: < jakub> tnx :)
21:22:19 -!- Fizmo [~fizmo_mas@pD9E6F087.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #corewars
21:22:24 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
21:22:25 #corewars: < jakub> hi Fizmo
21:22:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> back in Berlin :)
21:22:49 #corewars: < joonas> hello!
21:23:15 #corewars: < Fizmo> congrats to Chip
21:23:54 #corewars: < Fizmo> heh, I am surprised getting 4th with my vamp -> paper
21:25:01 #corewars: < joonas> what kind of warrior is chip's winner?
21:25:32 #corewars: < Fizmo> I don't know. I didn't get the entries from LAchi so far
21:26:03 #corewars: < Fizmo> joonas: you think my site isn't nice to read since I've switched to green?
21:26:27 #corewars: < Fizmo> hmm, maybe the green is too dark
21:26:37 #corewars: < joonas> fizmo yes.,
21:27:02 #corewars: < joonas> yes, the text is too dark compared to the background.  and maybe the background could be a little darker still
21:27:26 #corewars: < joonas> or, perhaps not darker, but somehow less conspicuous
21:28:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> maybe if the background has a lower contrast the green text should be ok then
21:28:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> would make it much easier for me ;-)
21:29:24 #corewars: < joonas> hm. yes.  the text still needs to be lighter.  for example, I clicked on the "meeting 20th anniversary" link and didn't even notice that the text had changed.
21:34:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, done. Actualize your page now
21:34:42 #corewars: < joonas> ouch.
21:35:03 #corewars: < Fizmo> ?
21:35:07 #corewars: < joonas> it's still very hard to read.
21:35:16 #corewars: < Fizmo> you think so?
21:35:24 #corewars: < joonas> are you using a semi-transparent colour for the text?  
21:35:43 #corewars: < joonas> the frame on the left is good
21:35:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am using the font papyrus
21:36:13 #corewars: < Fizmo> maybe he translate it into a wrong font, if you don't have it
21:36:15 #corewars: < joonas> but the text in the right frame that's over the background image is really hard to read
21:36:31 #corewars: < joonas> could be
21:36:36 #corewars: < joonas> hang on
21:36:58 #corewars: < joonas> no papyrus font on my machine
21:36:58 #corewars: < Fizmo> hmm, on other PC's without papyrus-font it looks ok, too
21:37:23 #corewars: < Mizcu> I have no problems reading the page
21:38:00 #corewars: < Fizmo> usually it should look without papryrus like the left part of the page
21:38:12 #corewars: < Fizmo> right, Mizcu?
21:38:20 #corewars: < Fizmo> or do you have papyrus
21:38:23 #corewars: < Mizcu> dont have papyrus
21:38:35 #corewars: < Mizcu> browser uses arial
21:38:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> exactly
21:39:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> joonas: what browser are you using?
21:39:43 #corewars: < joonas> Mozilla
21:39:50 #corewars: < joonas> I'm creating a screenshot now
21:41:11 #corewars: < joonas> www.helsinki.fi/~jpihlaja/shot.png
21:41:52 #corewars: < joonas> is that how it looks over there?
21:42:28 #corewars: < joonas> notice how the text in the right frame looks like it's semitransparent and fuzzy
21:42:55 #corewars: < joonas> and I don't mean the background text :)
21:43:03 #corewars: < Mizcu> your font looks kinda weird
21:43:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> strange. But that isn't the new background picture I've uploaded now
21:44:35 #corewars: < joonas> oh.  hm.  I just refreshed the page and it didn't change
21:45:46 #corewars: < joonas> probably it's still in a cache somewhere between you and me
21:46:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> it should look like:
21:46:52 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://www.corewar.info/pics/page.jpg
21:47:46 #corewars: < joonas> looks much nicer
21:47:54 #corewars: < joonas> although the main text is still quite dark
21:47:55 #corewars: < Mizcu> http://koti.mbnet.fi/mizcu/mizcuview.png   (one more shouldnt hurt ;)
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21:48:35 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Hi
21:48:44 #corewars: < joonas> hi
21:48:58 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
21:49:15 #corewars: < joonas> hm.  if it looked like mizcu's view then it would be better
21:49:19 #corewars: < Fizmo> joonas: maybe you should increase the contrast on your screen
21:49:19 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Congrats Joonas SoV 2.4K and vice-koth !
21:49:44 #corewars: < joonas> tx
21:51:07 #corewars: < joonas> fizmo: the image was in my browsers cache
21:51:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> is it now better?
21:51:28 #corewars: < joonas> yes.  now it looks more like mizcu's view
21:51:57 #corewars: < joonas> I'd still prefer a lighter font for the text, but that's just me.
21:52:01 #corewars: < jakub> I am going to bed
21:52:04 #corewars: < jakub> bye
21:52:07 #corewars: < joonas> bye
21:52:09 #corewars:  * jakub waves
21:52:14 -!- You're now known as jk_log
21:52:14 #corewars:  * joonas waves
21:52:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye Jakub
21:54:41 #corewars: < joonas> oh, heh.
21:55:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> ?
21:55:28 #corewars: < joonas> lol
21:55:40 #corewars:  * joonas is all confused about /query and /msg
21:55:56 #corewars: < grabek> it's the same
21:56:04 #corewars: < joonas> yes, yes.
21:56:14 #corewars: < joonas> one's sticky tho
21:56:15 #corewars: < grabek> though both command may be differently interpreted by your communicator
21:56:31 #corewars: < grabek> msg does not switch to other window, i think
21:56:41 #corewars: < grabek> hi Fizmo, btw
21:56:43 #corewars: < joonas> and I can't remember who I'm querying to half the time
21:57:34 #corewars: < joonas> ircII-epic3 doesn't support windows, you see.
21:58:13 #corewars: < grabek> ???
21:58:15 #corewars: < grabek> ircII
21:58:16 #corewars: < grabek> sorry
21:58:18 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi grabek
21:58:20 #corewars: < grabek> i misread it
21:58:35 #corewars: < grabek> hm, try irssi instead
21:58:47 #corewars: < grabek> simpler that BitchX and supports windows
21:59:08 #corewars: < grabek> s/that/than/
21:59:12 #corewars: < grabek> i think i am tired
22:03:32 #corewars: < joonas> bvowk's evolved stones are getting better
22:04:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> 58% ties against Devistick
22:05:42 #corewars: < joonas> 52% wins vs. mini-hsa
22:06:01 #corewars: < Fizmo> 88 pts isn't that bad. So bvowk is on a good way I think
22:06:13 #corewars: < joonas> yup
22:07:04 #corewars: < joonas> it still amazes me how quickly the evolvers... well bvowk... has managed to make the warriors so good
22:16:53 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, he can do this fast enough. And I think with the non-constant benchmark he's on a good way preventing the seed for cryptonides
22:17:47 #corewars: < joonas> also the improvements in the mutation algorithm must account for a lot
22:17:58 #corewars: < joonas> what bvowk and will do is lightyears ahead of yave and redrace
22:19:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes, one can see that on the scores ;-)
22:48:19 #corewars: < grabek> nighty night
22:48:39 #corewars: < joonas> nigh
22:48:39 #corewars: < Jeff_K> g'night
22:48:40 #corewars: < joonas> t
22:49:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> nite
23:07:18 #corewars: < Fizmo> heya, SoV is koth again :-)
23:07:42 #corewars: < joonas> cheers!
23:08:11 #corewars: < joonas> don't know if that counts as the hill's not been datted
23:08:29 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, I'll datting now
23:09:08 #corewars: < joonas> I fear it won't be koth after the dat as pong gives sov a lot of points
23:11:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> such a young hill with such an old koth
23:15:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> arghh, O--* seems to be pushed off with the next challenge
23:30:46 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, I gotta go now
23:30:52 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye
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23:31:14 #corewars:  * Jeff_K waves and leaves too.
23:31:21 #corewars: < Jeff_K> ciao
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23:35:31 #corewars: < pkhuong> http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/modular.pdf <- mod arithmetic paper
23:35:39 #corewars: < pkhuong> might be interesting for  perf purposes...
23:35:46 #corewars: < pkhuong> (haven't read it yet, nor is it final)
23:35:55 #corewars: < pkhuong> for all i know it might very well be lisp-only :)
23:51:33 #corewars: < joonas> guess it's lisp only since lisp is one of the few languages that try to keep the illusion of big integers
23:52:03 #corewars: < joonas> and can still perform really well using techniques like those in that paper
23:52:59 #corewars: < joonas> w00t!
23:53:57 #corewars:  * joonas just eliminated 85% of fat from a network
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