--- Log opened Fri Mar 19 00:00:19 2004 ****NEW DAY**** 00:00:19 #corewars: < brx> "last time i saw you, you was brewed up, booed up, ready for a new fuck" 00:57:31 -!- michal [~michal@host-ip2-246.crowley.pl] has quit [Leaving] 03:35:59 -!- ender [~endersdou@bos-140-186-103-171.dialup.crocker.net] has joined #corewars 03:36:12 #corewars: < ender> Hey, is anyone around to give warrior help? 03:37:40 #corewars: < ender> well, guess that's a no :) 03:44:22 -!- michal [~michal@host-ip2-246.crowley.pl] has joined #corewars 03:44:34 #corewars: < michal> hello ender 03:44:38 #corewars: < michal> still there? 03:44:40 #corewars: < ender> yes 03:44:42 #corewars: < ender> I am 03:45:45 #corewars: < ender> can you provide warrior help? 03:45:58 #corewars: < michal> mhm 03:46:04 #corewars: < michal> that's why I came here :) 03:46:15 #corewars: < ender> Very nice :) 03:46:56 #corewars: < ender> so, here's my latest version of my latest warrior, Cacodemon. 03:47:00 #corewars: < ender> should I just copy/paste it herE? 03:47:38 #corewars: < michal> it was you who posted some warriors recently on the newsgroup? 03:47:45 #corewars: < ender> yes, that was me 03:47:56 #corewars: < ender> I have a slightly newher versino of Cacodemon, which does somewhat better.... 03:48:19 #corewars: < michal> if it's not extremely long, paste it here.. 03:48:27 #corewars: < ender> it's a hundred lines, like most.... 03:48:44 #corewars: < michal> maybe snip the qscan, if it's not crucial 03:48:54 #corewars: < ender> 'mmkay. 03:48:55 #corewars: < ender> just asesc 03:49:50 #corewars: < ender> ;redcode-94nop 03:49:50 #corewars: < ender> ;name Cacodemon v0.95 03:49:50 #corewars: < ender> ;strategy q^4->paper/stone 03:49:50 #corewars: < ender> ;strategy diff stone 03:49:50 #corewars: < ender> ;author Andrew Hunter 03:49:50 -!- ender [~endersdou@bos-140-186-103-171.dialup.crocker.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:50:09 #corewars: < michal> uh 03:50:41 -!- ender [~endersdou@bos-140-186-103-171.dialup.crocker.net] has joined #corewars 03:50:44 #corewars: < ender> gah 03:50:48 #corewars: < ender> disconect for sum reason 03:51:30 #corewars: < ender> ;redcode-94nop 03:51:31 #corewars: < ender> ;name Cacodemon v0.95 03:51:31 #corewars: < ender> ;strategy q^4->paper/stone 03:51:31 #corewars: < ender> ;strategy diff stone 03:51:31 #corewars: < ender> ;author Andrew Hunter 03:51:31 #corewars: < ender> ;assert CORESIZE==8000 03:51:33 #corewars: < ender> sOff equ 7001 03:51:35 #corewars: < ender> for 20 03:51:37 #corewars: < ender> dat 0,0 03:51:39 #corewars: < ender> rof 03:51:41 #corewars: < ender> silkstart spl 1 03:51:43 #corewars: < ender> silk spl 7688, 0 03:51:45 #corewars: < ender> mov >-1,}-1 03:51:47 #corewars: < ender> spl 1403, 0 03:51:49 #corewars: < ender> mov >-1,}-1 03:51:51 #corewars: < ender> spl 3431,0 03:51:53 #corewars: < ender> mov >-1,}-1 03:51:55 #corewars: < ender> fsilk spl 953,0 03:51:57 #corewars: < ender> mov >-1,}-1 03:51:59 #corewars: < ender> mov bomb, >1961 03:52:01 #corewars: < ender> mov bomb, >1 03:52:03 #corewars: < ender> jmp -1, 2 03:52:05 #corewars: < ender> bomb dat >2667,>5334 03:52:07 #corewars: < ender> for 8 03:52:09 #corewars: < ender> dat 0,0 03:52:11 #corewars: < ender> rof 03:52:13 #corewars: < ender> sBoot mov tail, 6+sOff-CURLINE 03:52:15 #corewars: < ender> spl 1 03:52:17 #corewars: < ender> mov -1,0 03:52:19 #corewars: < ender> spl 1 03:52:22 #corewars: < ender> mov {sBoot, spl silkstart 03:52:26 #corewars: < ender> jmp @sBoot 03:52:27 #corewars: < ender> step equ 1529 03:52:30 #corewars: < ender> hop equ 18 03:52:31 #corewars: < ender> spl #0 03:52:34 #corewars: < ender> spl #0 03:52:35 #corewars: < ender> mov bmb, }step+1 03:52:38 #corewars: < ender> mov bmb, @-1 03:52:39 #corewars: < ender> add.ab #step, @-1 03:52:41 #corewars: < ender> djn.f -3, <-2000 03:52:43 #corewars: < ender> tail bmb dat 1 03:52:45 #corewars: < ender> end qscan 03:52:47 #corewars: < ender> there it is w/o the qscan 03:52:49 #corewars: < ender> after qscan, it goes to line sBoot 03:52:51 #corewars: < ender> As shown here, it scores 126, about 2 short of making 94nop 03:52:58 #corewars: < ender> any suggestions? 03:58:59 #corewars: < michal> the paper is unusually long.. 03:59:12 #corewars: < ender> should I shorten it? How? 03:59:44 #corewars: < michal> I'm not sure if that's the reason, but it scores to low against plain scanners for a stone/paper 04:00:10 #corewars: < michal> I'd strip some silk modules (spl x / mov >-1, }1) 04:00:24 #corewars: < michal> and reduce number of processes in the paper 04:01:00 #corewars: < michal> but in general, process allocation in multi component warriors is tricky, least to say 04:01:10 #corewars: < ender> yes.... 04:01:17 #corewars: < ender> I also need to optimize all the constants. 04:01:22 #corewars: < ender> any good ways to do that? 04:02:05 #corewars: < michal> as for papers.. 04:02:20 #corewars: < michal> people are usually just spawning lots of warriors with randomized constants 04:02:29 #corewars: < ender> ya... 04:02:29 #corewars: < michal> and checking against a test suite 04:02:38 #corewars: < ender> I got a prog that can make me a bunch of random constants 04:02:43 #corewars: < ender> but any good programs to test them? 04:02:56 #corewars: < ender> I, well, kinda don't have time to hand-run thousands of tests 04:03:40 #corewars: < michal> ah, the good old times :) 04:04:18 #corewars: < michal> can you do some programming? then you could write a simple script to do that 04:04:33 #corewars: < michal> if not, several people on this channel have already done that 04:05:03 #corewars: < michal> fizmo and metcalf aka corechild aka marsfreak come to my mind 04:05:08 #corewars: < ender> know if anyone has posted 1 online? 04:05:19 #corewars: < ender> I'm starting to learn Perl, which seems ideal for this 04:05:24 #corewars: < ender> but don't know enough yet 04:06:58 #corewars: < michal> are you running windows or *nix or something else? 04:07:01 #corewars: < ender> Windows. 04:07:33 #corewars: < ender> Unfortunately. 04:08:28 #corewars: < michal> I could try to write you a quickie in python, if you can get it going on your computer.. 04:08:37 #corewars: < ender> Don't have 1 right now. 04:08:40 #corewars: < ender> But I can get it.... 04:08:42 #corewars: < ender> how big is it? 04:08:49 #corewars: < ender> cuz I'm on dialup 04:09:09 #corewars: < michal> couple of megs 04:09:21 #corewars: < michal> 10 04:09:26 #corewars: < ender> eh.... 04:09:33 #corewars: < ender> Maybe I'll try to hack one up myself 04:09:41 #corewars: < ender> until then, I'll do what I can by hand 04:11:04 #corewars: < michal> if you're just optimizing (not using the core display), then some other mars than pmars could save you some time 04:11:14 #corewars: < michal> exmars is a good one 04:11:27 #corewars: < ender> don't know that 04:11:38 #corewars: < ender> I have what I believe is the server version 04:11:41 #corewars: < ender> w/o graphics 04:12:01 #corewars: < ender> which I can use a certain bat with to run a Wilfiz test.... 04:12:44 #corewars: < ender> so that's not a *major* prob. 04:12:53 #corewars: < ender> When I'm actually coding I just use Corewin 04:13:29 #corewars: < michal> sure it isn't.. it's just a bit faster, that's all 04:13:35 #corewars: < ender> oh 04:13:36 #corewars: < michal> exmars I mean 04:13:38 #corewars: < ender> Exmars.... 04:13:42 #corewars: < ender> is that on Koth/ 04:13:44 #corewars: < ender> ? 04:13:54 #corewars: < michal> no 04:14:06 #corewars: < michal> http://students.fhs-hagenberg.ac.at/se/se00001/Projects_CoreWar_exMARS_.html 04:14:06 #corewars: < ender> o 04:14:12 #corewars: < ender> thx 04:14:27 #corewars: < michal> the sourcecode is there, if you have a compiler at hand 04:14:40 #corewars: < michal> if not, I could _try_ to crosscompile a version for you 04:14:41 #corewars: < ender> I do. 04:14:45 #corewars: < ender> C? 04:14:49 #corewars: < michal> yes 04:14:51 #corewars: < ender> I got a C. 04:16:48 #corewars: < michal> have a look at makefile to tune it to your computer.. 04:17:01 #corewars: < ender> ya 04:17:15 #corewars: < ender> I'll check that out sometime 04:17:17 #corewars: < ender> thanks 04:18:32 #corewars: < michal> I think I'll go to bed.. it's slowly getting bright here 04:18:50 #corewars: < ender> hehheh 04:18:51 #corewars: < ender> later 04:18:53 #corewars: < ender> thanks 04:18:59 #corewars: < ender> 10:18 PM here... 04:19:35 #corewars: < michal> bye 04:19:36 -!- michal [~michal@host-ip2-246.crowley.pl] has quit [Leaving] 04:19:43 -!- ender [~endersdou@bos-140-186-103-171.dialup.crocker.net] has left #corewars [] 07:45:56 -!- grabek [~grabek@nat-b.acn.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 07:54:58 -!- grabek [~grabek@nat-b.acn.pl] has joined #corewars 08:46:56 -!- willvarfa [~Will@arken-16-57-112.ip-pluggen.com] has joined #corewars 09:10:06 -!- will_varf [~Will@arken-16-57-58.ip-pluggen.com] has joined #corewars 09:12:55 -!- willvarfa [~Will@arken-16-57-112.ip-pluggen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 09:18:32 -!- will_varf [~Will@arken-16-57-58.ip-pluggen.com] has quit [Lämnar] 10:06:10 -!- willvarfa [~Will@arken-16-57-53.ip-pluggen.com] has joined #corewars 10:12:51 -!- will_varf [~Will@arken-16-57-85.ip-pluggen.com] has joined #corewars 10:15:55 -!- willvarfa [~Will@arken-16-57-53.ip-pluggen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 10:43:55 -!- willvarfa [~Will@arken-16-57-50.ip-pluggen.com] has joined #corewars 10:46:40 -!- will_varf [~Will@arken-16-57-85.ip-pluggen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 11:15:26 -!- will_varf [~Will@arken-16-57-44.ip-pluggen.com] has joined #corewars 11:18:25 -!- willvarfa [~Will@arken-16-57-50.ip-pluggen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 11:20:52 -!- will_varf [~Will@arken-16-57-44.ip-pluggen.com] has quit [Lämnar] 11:51:29 -!- brx_ [~as@pD9EAB0E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #corewars 11:52:58 -!- brx [~as@pD9EABC3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 12:13:56 -!- grabek [~grabek@nat-b.acn.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 12:41:47 -!- grabek [~grabek@nat-b.acn.pl] has joined #corewars 14:28:23 -!- joonas [jpihlaja@kruuna.helsinki.fi] has joined #corewars 14:33:34 #corewars: < joonas> have a nice weekend everyone 14:33:34 -!- joonas [jpihlaja@kruuna.helsinki.fi] has quit [ircII2.8.2-EPIC3.004+Kasi --- Bloatware at its finest.] 16:04:42 -!- CoreChild [~d432ba35@brparcunix.cidadeinternet.com.br] has joined #corewars 16:06:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> Afternoon all... 16:42:11 -!- Fizmo [~fizmo_mas@pD9E6F1E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #corewars 16:42:18 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi 16:42:47 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Christian 16:45:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> still updating my index page with a new hill site 16:45:11 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://home.t-online.de/home/familie.kersten/johannes/ 16:45:27 #corewars: < CoreChild> Just been playing with a oneshot / bomb dodger (both from same scan loop) 16:45:40 #corewars: < CoreChild> Working quite well. 16:45:50 #corewars: < CoreChild> Thanks for the forwarded mail by the way 16:46:05 #corewars: < CoreChild> Did you see "The Absolute Beginners' Hill"? 16:46:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> Ah, yes... (this client is slow) 16:47:48 #corewars: < Fizmo> it's an offline hill 16:48:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> Nothing wrong with those :-) PZPR is too 16:49:32 #corewars: < CoreChild> I've found a host. Now I'm just waiting for my Visa card to be delivered, so I can actually pay for my site. 16:49:47 #corewars: < CoreChild> (I don't believe in credit, so I don't have a card) 16:50:22 #corewars: < CoreChild> I should have CGI / Perl / PHP though I haven't a clue how to use them 16:51:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> nice :) 16:52:37 #corewars: < CoreChild> I might implement a hill sort of thing I've had in mind 16:53:28 #corewars: < Fizmo> hmm, I am thinking of updating my domain to cgi/pap/perl as well 16:53:47 #corewars: < Fizmo> but I am not in hurry with that 16:56:38 #corewars: < CoreChild> Damn, I have to go :-( 16:57:01 #corewars: < Fizmo> :( 16:58:01 #corewars: * CoreChild waves 16:58:53 -!- CoreChild [~d432ba35@brparcunix.cidadeinternet.com.br] has quit [WebChat -> www.vIRCio.org ] 16:59:40 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, I am off now, too 16:59:45 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye 16:59:49 -!- Fizmo [~fizmo_mas@pD9E6F1E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 17:26:04 -!- AtnNn [~AtnNn@dsl-141-95.aei.ca] has joined #corewars 17:27:33 -!- AtnNn_ [~AtnNn@dsl-133-186.aei.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 17:35:00 -!- Mizcu [Mizcu@dsl-hkigw4icc.dial.inet.fi] has joined #corewars 17:37:18 -!- Fizmo [~fizmo_mas@pD9E6E321.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #corewars 17:38:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> outch, this seems to interfere with my ftp upload 17:38:09 #corewars: < Fizmo> be back later 17:38:15 -!- Fizmo [~fizmo_mas@pD9E6E321.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 17:49:12 -!- Fizmo [~fizmo_mas@pD9E6E321.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #corewars 17:49:16 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi 17:49:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> Fiz 17:49:54 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi miz 17:49:55 -!- Metcalf [~John@217.158.137.194] has joined #corewars 17:50:00 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi all 17:50:00 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi John 17:50:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi Met 17:51:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> hmm, missed the scores cacodemon 095 got from 'nop 17:53:45 #corewars: < Mizcu> Couldnt see how much the new stone helped. (+9 on wilfiz, with few other improvements i mailed Hunter/Ender about) 17:54:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> hrmm, I think I should further optimize his paper. It gained by 8 points within 30 minutes 17:56:35 #corewars: < Mizcu> The paper might be going through few more changes, so i i think it would be better to optimize it later. 18:12:20 #corewars: < Metcalf> Small updates made to my temporary page 18:14:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> I've made also a small update on: 18:14:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://www.corewar.info/ihp.htm 18:16:09 #corewars: < Mizcu> maybe i should update my page also a bit.. 18:16:22 #corewars: < Mizcu> ..(too much stuff to do, maybe later) 18:18:00 #corewars: < Metcalf> I need to organise my links better http://www.geocities.com/corewar3039/links.htm 18:20:20 #corewars: < Metcalf> There's a bit on my tiny page about Unknown now... 18:20:39 #corewars: < Metcalf> Complete with list of players giving the correct answer :-) 18:20:46 #corewars: < Metcalf> I.e. none so far 18:22:57 #corewars: < Fizmo> :) 18:55:11 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, I have to go now 18:55:54 #corewars: * Metcalf waves 18:55:58 #corewars: < Metcalf> see you later 18:56:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> cya 18:56:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> seeya 18:56:24 -!- Fizmo [~fizmo_mas@pD9E6E321.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 19:13:13 #corewars: < brx_> good day 19:13:16 -!- brx_ is now known as brx 19:13:45 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi Brx 19:50:57 #corewars: < Metcalf> Okay, time to get going :-/ 19:50:59 #corewars: * Metcalf waves 19:52:43 -!- Metcalf [~John@217.158.137.194] has quit [mov.i #1,1] 22:07:14 -!- Mizcu [Mizcu@dsl-hkigw4icc.dial.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:17:27 -!- Fizmo [~fizmo_mas@pD9E6ED2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #corewars 22:17:58 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi 22:18:10 #corewars: < Fizmo> just lurking for some minutes 22:18:30 #corewars: < Fizmo> my website now with new design 22:20:03 -!- Fizmo [~fizmo_mas@pD9E6ED2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] --- Log closed Sat Mar 20 00:00:37 2004