--- Log opened Thu Mar 18 00:00:44 2004
00:48:54 #corewars: < brx> michal: seen kenshin yet?
00:49:17 #corewars: < michal> kenshin the corewarrior or the anime?
00:49:32 #corewars: < brx> anime :)
00:50:50 #corewars: < michal> not yet
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--- Log opened Thu Mar 18 18:49:21 2004
18:49:29 !irc.koth.org *** Looking up your hostname...
18:49:30 !irc.koth.org *** Checking Ident
18:49:30 !irc.koth.org *** No Ident response
18:49:31 !irc.koth.org *** Found your hostname
18:49:31 !irc.koth.org *** Your host is irc.koth.org[216.231.108.170/6667], running version 2.8/hybrid-6.3.1
18:49:31 -!- Mode change [+i] for user jakub
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18:49:42 #corewars: < jakub> hello
18:49:55 #corewars: < joonas> hi jakub
18:50:12 #corewars: < jakub> hi joonas!
18:51:37 #corewars: < joonas> worked on Hunter recently?
18:52:08 #corewars: < jakub> nope, don't have time for it, those nasty bugs are still there
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18:54:22 #corewars: < jaska> oh, they still do make scsi
18:54:24 #corewars: < jaska> maxtor that is
18:54:33 #corewars: < jaska> wondered if youre gotten 'servers' with ide
18:54:40 #corewars: < jaska> youve*
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18:56:26 #corewars: < joonas> as I said, we've been holding to the notion that more of cheap is better than fewer of expensive.
18:56:38 #corewars: < joonas> turns out, now, that maybe that's not such a plan after all.
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18:57:08 #corewars: < joonas> hi roy.
18:57:31 #corewars: < Roy> hellp
18:57:33 #corewars: < Roy> :S
18:57:34 #corewars: < Roy> hello
18:58:07 #corewars:  * jaska wonders where does joonas work
18:58:11 #corewars: < will_varf> hello Roy
18:58:21 #corewars: < jakub> hi Roy
18:58:22 #corewars: < Roy> woah, 5 busy people, nice
18:58:24 #corewars:  * joonas wonders also sometimes
18:58:27 #corewars: < jaska> heh
18:58:45 #corewars:  * Roy wonders why jaska wonders that
18:59:01 #corewars:  * jaska wonders why roy wonders what he wonders.
18:59:14 #corewars: < Roy> Because I'm curious :)
18:59:27 #corewars: < jaska> just wondering.
18:59:28 #corewars: < jaska> ;P
18:59:29 #corewars: < joonas> we never used to wonder about anything
18:59:46 #corewars: < Roy> mov won, der
18:59:52 #corewars: < joonas> 's all bvowk coming in and stirring things up with all that forin wonderin
18:59:58 #corewars: < joonas> :)
19:00:22 #corewars: < Roy> And he left us wondering what that wondering was all about...that started the wondering
19:00:29 #corewars: < jaska> arrgh
19:00:38 #corewars:  * jaska 's head wanders towards the wall
19:01:04 #corewars: < Roy> hmm...wondering is old, wandering is new (I see a new IRC-hype starting)
19:03:47 #corewars: < grabek> phew
19:04:00 #corewars: < grabek> i placed my first order on amazon.com today
19:04:24 #corewars: < joonas> what did you order?
19:04:53 #corewars: < grabek> for me, Zeldman, Designing with Web Standards
19:05:03 #corewars: < grabek> whilst my coworker ordered...
19:05:03 #corewars: < grabek> erm
19:05:11 #corewars: < grabek> something about microchips...
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19:05:48 #corewars: < grabek> can't recall the name of author, atm
19:06:00 #corewars: < jakub> hello lukasz, michal
19:06:35 #corewars: < grabek> hello jakub 
19:07:28 #corewars: < grabek> wait, i'll check
19:07:53 #corewars: < grabek> funny, i don't even have a credit card
19:07:57 #corewars: < grabek> (a true one, i mean)
19:08:37 #corewars: < Roy> What do you guys think about this:
19:08:38 #corewars: < Roy> http://tinyurl.com/24kum
19:08:48 #corewars: < Roy> Just mashed that together
19:08:53 #corewars: < grabek> hi Roy 
19:09:14 #corewars: < grabek> PDA Robotics
19:09:16 #corewars: < will_varf> kinda pretty
19:09:31 #corewars: < grabek> Programming and customizing OOCP Microcontroller
19:09:42 #corewars: < grabek> The Ultimate Palm Robot
19:10:13 #corewars: < grabek> how sweet, Roy 
19:10:38 #corewars: < Roy> ohw, hi lukasz, congratulations 
19:10:40 #corewars: < grabek> is it your tattoo?
19:10:46 #corewars: < grabek> thanks Roy 
19:11:04 #corewars: < Roy> Its not a tattoo, its a doodle I made during class :)
19:11:45 #corewars: < grabek> oh
19:11:48 #corewars: < grabek> tut tut
19:11:58 #corewars: < grabek> you do not pay attention, Roy 
19:12:23 #corewars: < Roy> I do, those are my secret notes :) if I look at the picture I can recall the material
19:13:05 #corewars: < grabek> heh
19:13:17 #corewars: < grabek> how much one can be stupid?
19:13:23 #corewars: < grabek> i switched to X and checked
19:13:33 #corewars:  * grabek slaps forehead
19:14:55 #corewars: < Roy> heh, still getting the higest grades for my college group, no need to worry yet
19:15:13 #corewars: < grabek> i was talking about me
19:15:29 #corewars: < grabek> for i thought you meant it (about notes)
19:16:17 #corewars: < Roy> Well, its kinda true, its not actualy IN the picture, but if I look at it, I find it easier to recall the subject/material
19:16:34 #corewars:  * grabek wonders
19:17:10 #corewars: < Roy> I do the same thing with music, while studing I listen to one song, and just before I enter my exams I listen to that song and remember a lot more then usual
19:18:12 #corewars: < grabek> hm
19:18:14 #corewars: < Roy> Subconcience recognition or something maybe? Brains get to the certain connections easier? I dunno
19:18:18 #corewars: < grabek> you could have said that before, no? :-)
19:18:30 #corewars: < Roy> You're done now :)
19:18:37 #corewars: < grabek> i am
19:18:38 #corewars: < Roy> Now I can tell my secrets :-P
19:18:41 #corewars: < grabek> phe
19:18:42 #corewars: < grabek> w
19:18:56 #corewars: < grabek> i was asked something about joonas is good at
19:19:03 #corewars: < grabek> (linear systems)
19:20:07 #corewars:  * grabek rattles joonas 
19:20:18 #corewars: < Roy> not paying attention
19:20:29 #corewars: < grabek> joonas joonas joonas joonas joonas joonas joonas 
19:20:32 #corewars: < grabek> lol
19:20:59 #corewars: < joonas> hi
19:21:05 #corewars: < joonas> sorry, wasn't looking
19:21:07 #corewars: < Roy> it actualy works :)
19:21:17 #corewars: < grabek> hi joonas 
19:21:23 #corewars:  * joonas reads backlog
19:21:36 #corewars: < Roy> Just read 8 lines back :)
19:21:39 #corewars: < joonas> ok
19:21:41 #corewars: < joonas> done
19:22:24 #corewars: < joonas> go on
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19:23:02 #corewars: < joonas> what, that was it?  shout me over and then /quit?
19:23:07 #corewars: < joonas> how wude
19:23:09 #corewars: < joonas> :)
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19:23:34 #corewars: < grabek> noo?
19:23:41 #corewars: < grabek> wude?
19:23:42 #corewars: < grabek> heh
19:23:49 #corewars: < grabek> joonas has watched Elmer movies
19:24:41 #corewars: < grabek> anyway, joonas, how does one solve linear system?
19:24:58 #corewars: < joonas> gaussian elimination
19:25:27 #corewars: < grabek> a large, sparse matrix?
19:25:28 #corewars: < joonas> you try to take your matrix diagonalise it
19:25:36 #corewars:  * joonas thinks
19:25:37 #corewars: < grabek> this I know
19:25:44 #corewars: < grabek> are you that numerical guy?
19:25:45 #corewars: < joonas> hausholder transforms?
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19:26:26 #corewars: < grabek> i don't know
19:26:30 #corewars: < grabek> i didn't answer
19:27:18 #corewars: < joonas> I'm thinking of the transform that lets you take any 2x2 submatrix and kill of one of the components.
19:27:26 #corewars: < joonas> used in finding eigenvectors
19:28:52 #corewars: < joonas> also, if it's sparse you can use methods based on iteration quickly as multiplication by the matrix is quick
19:28:59 #corewars: < grabek> hm
19:29:08 #corewars: < grabek> if only i knew
19:29:17 #corewars: < grabek> anyway, it is the shadow of the past
19:29:33 #corewars: < grabek> there was a little party on tuesday's evening
19:29:34 #corewars: < joonas> also conjugate gradient algoritms can be tweaked
19:29:46 #corewars: < joonas> to take advantage of the quick multiply
19:29:47 #corewars: < joonas> anyway
19:29:51 #corewars: < grabek> a friend of mine, who was relegated out of the school, didn't come
19:30:01 #corewars: < joonas> and you're standing already?  what kind of party is this? ;)
19:30:12 #corewars: < grabek> (joonas: you're pretty good at this)
19:30:19 #corewars: < grabek> (i mean, math)
19:30:28 #corewars: < grabek> he came, later in the evening
19:30:34 #corewars: < grabek> but didn't say a word
19:30:34 #corewars: < joonas> oh, good.
19:31:08 #corewars: < joonas> touchy situation I can imagine.
19:31:21 #corewars: < grabek> yeah
19:31:34 #corewars: < grabek> also, i was offered a new job
19:32:05 #corewars: < joonas> you feel like taking it?
19:32:18 #corewars: < grabek> i don't know yet
19:32:46 #corewars: < grabek> i have to change my job for i choking the stuffy air (atmosphere) in our office
19:33:07 #corewars: < joonas> oh.
19:33:19 #corewars: < grabek> (it is not that we don't open windows, mind you)
19:33:38 #corewars: < joonas> brb
19:33:40 #corewars: < grabek> s/i ch/i am ch/
19:33:43 #corewars: < grabek> erm, bbl
19:33:50 #corewars: < grabek> i am going out
19:33:54 #corewars: < grabek> catch you later
19:37:05 #corewars: < willvarfa> cya
19:51:17 #corewars:  * joonas waves
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20:06:43 #corewars:  * joonas struggles getting perl to do "Deep recursion"
20:07:36 #corewars:  * bvowk recurses joonas :)
20:07:49 #corewars: < bvowk> fyi, new openssl bug for you to patch :
20:07:50 #corewars: < bvowk> )
20:08:00 #corewars: < joonas> hrmph
20:08:02 #corewars: < joonas> again?
20:08:04 #corewars: < joonas> ok
20:08:05 #corewars: < bvowk> yup
20:08:21 #corewars: < bvowk> this one is currently only a DOS
20:09:14 #corewars: < joonas> ok
20:14:07 #corewars: < joonas> btw, why is math-gw trying to contact sal with a key length that's too big?
20:15:57 #corewars: < bvowk> ssh?
20:16:20 #corewars: < joonas> uhm..
20:16:23 #corewars: < joonas> [error] OpenSSL: error:1406B458:SSL routines:GET_CLIENT_MASTER_KEY:master key too long
20:16:30 #corewars: < joonas> kind of thing
20:16:38 #corewars: < bvowk> ahh.
20:16:54 #corewars: < joonas> looks iffy to me
20:16:55 #corewars: < bvowk> they're coming from 129.128.206.1?
20:17:05 #corewars: < bvowk> cause that looks like openssl worm traffic
20:17:12 #corewars: < joonas> no, from all over the place
20:17:15 #corewars: < joonas> damn
20:17:48 #corewars: < bvowk> welcome to academic worlds
20:17:52 #corewars: < bvowk> networks even
20:17:52 #corewars: < will_varf> bvowk, ever thought about port-knocking?
20:18:03 #corewars: < bvowk> yeah, sounds pretty cool
20:18:04 #corewars: < joonas> so how can I check whether sal's wooted or not?
20:18:17 #corewars: < joonas> or wormed or whatever.
20:18:26 #corewars: < bvowk> if it was rooted I'd know about it
20:18:32 #corewars: < joonas> oh, good.
20:18:41 #corewars:  * joonas doesn't always pay as much attention as he should
20:18:48 #corewars: < will_varf> how would you know, bvowk?  (I have so much to learn about security, so I'm really curious)
20:19:01 #corewars: < bvowk> because I inspect all the packets that go in and out
20:19:05 #corewars: < will_varf> girl!
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20:19:11 #corewars: < bvowk> so if anything looked fishy
20:19:13 #corewars: < bvowk> lol
20:19:22 #corewars: < joonas> yeah, that is funny. :)
20:20:02 #corewars: < joonas> and how do you classify good packets from bad packets?
20:21:01 #corewars: < bvowk> well, the traffic from sal should look pretty typical.. little web, ssh from a couple places
20:21:25 #corewars: < bvowk> and little bit of additional traffic
20:22:05 #corewars: < bvowk> but if that suddenly changes, its time for investigating
20:22:38 #corewars: < joonas> do you have some kind of automatic traffic analyser?
20:22:46 #corewars: < bvowk> several kinds :)
20:23:06 #corewars: < bvowk> and I have a huge box that does nothing but record all the packets that go through for weeks at a time
20:23:30 #corewars: < bvowk> so when its time to investigate I can see exactly what happened
20:23:50 #corewars: < joonas> you log *everything*?  omg.
20:24:02 #corewars: < bvowk> everything
20:24:16 #corewars: < bvowk> and then I log extra stuff just to make my life easier, like all the urls that fly by
20:24:16 #corewars: < joonas> that's really cool.
20:24:29 #corewars: < joonas> how much diskspace do you need for that?
20:24:30 #corewars: < bvowk> and all the pictures and movies out of the streams
20:24:49 #corewars: < bvowk> that box has 3/4 of a TB
20:24:57 #corewars: < bvowk> 3ware raid board
20:25:09 #corewars:  * joonas wonders whether logging everything is legal over the pond
20:26:09 #corewars: < bvowk> yup
20:26:15 #corewars: < bvowk> we've got a good TOS
20:26:48 #corewars: < bvowk> and we've filed all the happy information about how this data will be used, what the storage window is, who has access to the data etc
20:26:52 #corewars: < joonas> right, these are found by typing the 'rules' command. ;)
20:26:56 #corewars: < joonas> rules: not found
20:27:01 #corewars: < bvowk> heh
20:27:02 #corewars: < bvowk> yes
20:27:09 #corewars: < bvowk> its not found on 3jane :)
20:27:31 #corewars:  * bvowk adds a rules file just for joonas
20:28:19 #corewars:  * joonas looks forward to it
20:32:59 #corewars:  * joonas has buggy software to fix
20:33:01 #corewars: < joonas> seeya
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21:44:43 #corewars: < jakub> grr, have to go ... it was so nice conversation ... ^_^
21:44:45 #corewars: < jakub> bye
21:44:59 #corewars: < jakub> hope that my BOFH will not shut IRC down
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22:27:34 #corewars: < jaska> silly bofh
22:49:21 #corewars: < grabek> hick
22:49:42 #corewars: < grabek> good night
22:49:49 #corewars:  * grabek waves and so on
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23:47:19 #corewars: < jaska> argh
23:47:25 #corewars: < jaska> note to self: dont do /wc
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23:59:45 #corewars:  * brx vomits
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