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07:29:02 #corewars: < grabek> wish me luck
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15:42:58 #corewars: < Roy> hello
15:45:39 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi
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16:04:25 #corewars: < grabek> i passed
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16:05:27 #corewars: < Mizcu> congratulations
16:06:55 #corewars: < willvarfa> ?
16:07:57 #corewars: < Mizcu> [17:04:26] <grabek> i passed
16:08:49 #corewars: < willvarfa> aha, congrats Lukasz!
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17:22:50 #Corewars: < michal> hello
17:22:56 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi michal
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18:18:34 #corewars: < grabek> yeah yeah yeah
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18:26:28 #corewars:  * bvowk rattles wil
18:26:34 #corewars: < grabek> hm
18:26:38 #corewars: < grabek> rattle rattle rattle
18:26:50 #corewars: < bvowk> how'd your exam go grab?
18:27:18 #corewars: < grabek> master of science, thank you
18:28:20 #corewars: < grabek> thanks willvarfa, by the way
18:28:38 #corewars: < bvowk> congrats :)
18:30:32 #corewars: < grabek> thank you
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19:03:00 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi
19:03:05 #corewars: < Metcalf> Well done Lukasz
19:08:13 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi Met
19:08:17 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi Mizcu
19:08:40 #corewars: < Metcalf> Interesting new scanner on '94nop - "Arrow"
19:10:00 #corewars: < Mizcu> hmm
19:10:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> (Static is 3rd oldest warrior on hill..)
19:12:52 #corewars: < Metcalf> Yes, congratulations.
19:13:11 #corewars: < Metcalf> I hope it survives long enough to enter the top 25 of the HoF.
19:14:12 #corewars: < Mizcu> It's going a bit low atm. , could use couple of optimizations.
19:16:55 #corewars: < Metcalf> '94nop is becoming a tricky hill to survive on :-(
19:18:05 #corewars: < Metcalf> I doubt my 2 new warriors will score very well.  Maybe I should to tried and tested "formula" warriors
19:18:14 #corewars: < Mizcu> (Could use new step-combination, Hurkyl's djn-trick for better coreclear and bit better gate)
19:19:32 #corewars: < Mizcu> (and the damn imp-pump spl-bug)
19:20:37 #corewars: < Metcalf> There are some other methods to keep those processes in the stone when it becomes a clear.  Don't have any sample code here though
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19:34:54 #corewars: < Mizcu> I'll be going AFK for a while
19:35:34 #corewars: < Mizcu> then i'll be putting my hands on Hunter's Cacodemon
19:35:41 #corewars: < Metcalf> :-)
19:35:56 #corewars: < Metcalf> I've just saved the post to disk
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19:58:14 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hmmm... been trying to submit to Koth, but my webmail doesn't seem to be sending it :-(
20:03:04 #corewars: < Metcalf> time to go
20:03:06 #corewars:  * Metcalf waves
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20:13:07 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi j
20:16:27 #corewars: < joonas> hey mizcu
20:16:44 #corewars: < joonas> how's things?
20:17:17 #corewars: < Mizcu> there-there
20:18:24 #corewars: < joonas> oh. what's wrong?
20:18:33 #corewars: < joonas> or not as good as it could be?
20:18:53 #corewars: < Mizcu> just came back from store and my ankle is a bit sore
20:19:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> cant walk three meters out there with having a foot slip
20:19:28 #corewars: < joonas> sounds painful.
20:19:56 #corewars: < Mizcu> it'll be okay at the morning, didnt hurt it
20:20:22 #corewars: < Mizcu> annoying to have couple cents of ice on the road to store
20:21:15 #corewars: < Mizcu> and i had to jog to the store, closes 21.00
20:21:53 #corewars: < joonas> well if it's not broken it'll be alright.
20:37:43 #corewars: < Mizcu> Now, lets see what i can do to improve Cacodemon..
20:40:51 #corewars: < joonas> what's cacodemon?
20:41:51 #corewars: < Mizcu> see cwsf-b
20:41:56 #corewars: < Mizcu> (or rgc)
20:42:37 #corewars: < joonas> post hasn't arrived yet.
20:42:45 #corewars:  * joonas takes a look at cwsf-b
20:44:36 #corewars: < joonas> uh.. hard to read code.
20:45:39 #corewars: < Mizcu> i find the part after qscan only thing hard
20:46:48 #corewars: < joonas> looks like it boots a stone and then goes to run the paper?
20:47:34 #corewars: < joonas> well one thing is that the first unbooted paper copy is going to be stunned by scanners.
20:48:35 #corewars: < joonas> the bounce line probably can be removed.
20:49:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> as first thing i'd change that  add.a #50, fsilk | jmp fsilk..
20:49:57 #corewars: < joonas> process allocation looks funky: first N processes are launched into a double spl 0 splitting stone, and one process to generate processes for the paper ==> really weak paper?
20:50:15 #corewars: < joonas> why?
20:50:42 #corewars: < joonas> oh, right, nevermind.
20:51:22 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. well if you remove the add.a #50 bit then the paper won't copy correctly?
20:51:31 #corewars: < Mizcu> i changed the stone into single-spl which doesnt loop into spl , with 5:1 processes the paper overwhelms it
20:51:43 #corewars: < Mizcu> joonas: i'd replace it with reverse-silk
20:52:05 #corewars: < joonas> sounds like a good idea.
20:52:51 #corewars: < Mizcu> by looping it would be imho. a bit too vulnerable to scanners
20:53:03 #corewars: < joonas> dunno.
20:53:29 #corewars: < joonas> kline says looping paper can be good anti-impwise.
20:54:12 #corewars: < joonas> and that looping paper can kill other papers sometimes.
20:54:28 #corewars: < Mizcu> thats 7 vulnerable lines , compared to 2-4 of cc-paper
20:54:51 #corewars: < joonas> true enough.
20:56:08 #corewars: < joonas> ok, end of play time.
20:56:11 #corewars: < joonas> for me.
20:56:14 #corewars: < joonas> see you.
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21:25:03 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
21:25:18 #corewars: < Fizmo> Concrats Lukasz for your Master of science
21:25:58 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi Fiz
21:26:04 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi Miz
21:26:52 #corewars: < Fizmo> Your helping Andrew with Cacodemon?
21:27:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> just exploring about what kind of suggestions i could give
21:27:32 #corewars: < Mizcu> small change in paper & stone gave 110 -> 119 wilf
21:27:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> One thing is the position sensitivity of the Q^4 scanner
21:28:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> he arranged it new, so I am not shure if it really works correctly
21:28:40 #corewars: < Fizmo> 119 wilfiz aren't that bad
21:29:25 #corewars: < Fizmo> with some constant optimization it may score more than 120
21:29:51 #corewars: < Mizcu> http://koti.mbnet.fi/mizcu/CACO3.LOG
21:35:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> thx, interesting
21:37:10 #corewars: < Fizmo> still checking the paper part
21:37:41 #corewars: < Mizcu> I wonder why the losses against uninvited
21:38:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> stone is fast enough to kill the paper right at the beginning
21:43:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> now start to optimizing the paper constants. Maybe there are some better ones I can find
21:44:53 #corewars: < Mizcu> i'd leave that for A.D himself
21:44:57 #corewars: < Mizcu> A.H
21:45:11 #corewars: < Fizmo> Do AH have an optimizer?
21:45:46 #corewars: < Fizmo> hand picking papers constants is a kind of masochism
21:45:58 #corewars: < Mizcu> Three days ago i sent him message about optimizing he's Paper/imp , and he asked what he should do to get a benchmark going..
21:46:18 #corewars: < Mizcu> so i doubt he has actual optimizer now
21:47:29 #corewars: < Fizmo> Ah, got better constants now ;-)
21:48:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> original 92 pts -> best after 7 Randries 94 pts
21:48:36 #corewars: < Mizcu> The stone could use other stepsize 
21:48:44 #corewars: < Fizmo> cool. 46% wins against quicksilver
21:50:33 #corewars: < Mizcu> from my benchmark for papers&stones 81 points out of 300
21:50:48 #corewars: < Fizmo> hrmm, I should focus more on its anti-imp features rather than scanner resistances
21:50:58 #corewars: < Mizcu> (the stone i used on caco3, bit different from original)
21:51:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, I optimize at the moment against wiping scanner, clear-directing scanner and stone with b-imps
21:52:17 #corewars: < Mizcu> (static's stone gets 122, candy's ~119, quicksilver's ~127)
21:52:48 #corewars: < Fizmo> wow
21:53:04 #corewars: < Mizcu> What do you think about replacing the add/jmp -loop in the paper's end to reverse-silk?
21:53:11 #corewars: < michal> I... must... code...
21:54:19 #corewars: < Fizmo> The add/jmp is quite dangerous, because it makes the paper vulnerable against scanner
21:55:16 #corewars: < Fizmo> but with an additional stone it may dosn't matter
21:55:37 #corewars: < Fizmo> so, better testing to see which one is the better choice
21:56:13 #corewars: < michal> what's the idea behind add in a paper?
21:57:29 #corewars: < Fizmo> it loops back to the beginning but now having new constants
21:58:10 #corewars: < Fizmo> so it's like a stone throwing papers instead of bombs and launch them
21:58:59 #corewars: < Fizmo> now at 97 pts
22:00:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> I think if I run it over night I'll see tomorrow morning Randries at >110 pts
22:01:18 #corewars: < michal> what is/are randries?
22:02:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> ups, yes. It's a warrior with computer generated constants
22:02:35 #corewars: < michal> bit off-topic.. what computer do you have?
22:02:59 #corewars: < Fizmo> Sascha and I were thinking of a name for warriors which were generated by an optimizer
22:03:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> Athlon with XP
22:03:20 #corewars: < michal> mizcu?
22:04:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> 1 Ghz TB, 384 Ram, Win2k
22:05:30 #corewars: < Mizcu> hmm.. now that Fiz mentioned, i've been having few good warriornames, but they are already reserved for future use.
22:05:59 #corewars: < michal> I had some too, but people seem to be reading my mind :)
22:06:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> I always don't know which name I should give my warriors
22:07:23 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am surfing then through a dictionary
22:07:33 #corewars: < Fizmo> :)
22:08:14 #corewars: < Mizcu> I am not productive enough to have such problems
22:08:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> (Static's name came on 30mins, monowire took even less)
22:10:53 #corewars: < Mizcu> And if i do, i'll just open some Shadowrun rulebook and go at random page 
22:11:39 #corewars: < Mizcu> (though all of the new names came from songnames)
22:13:20 #corewars: < Fizmo> :)
22:14:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> my first warriors on pizzas beginner hill I gave some names from Games Workshop's Warhammer world
22:15:25 #corewars: < Mizcu> what names you used from there?
22:16:45 #corewars: < Fizmo> erhmm, I think the very first I named: Daemon of Slaneesh
22:17:09 #corewars: < Mizcu> (Did it enjoy getting killed ?;)
22:17:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> It was nearly unkillable :)
22:17:49 #corewars: < Fizmo> It was based on DieHard-styled papers
22:18:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> (Then it should've been Daemon of Nurgle ;( )
22:18:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, yes. YOu're right it should've been
22:19:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> I think I had also something with Nurgle
22:20:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> What kind of personality would Daemon of Khorne and - of Tzeencth have..
22:21:21 #corewars: < Fizmo> Oh, you're right my DieHard-clone was namend: Beast of Nurgle    
22:21:43 #corewars: < Fizmo> hrmm, stone and scanner
22:22:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> Khorne <-> stone maybe?
22:22:26 #corewars: < Fizmo> 14  36.0/ 39.9/ 24.1        Daemon of Zteentch    Christian Schmidt 132.1   41
22:22:27 #corewars: < Mizcu> Khorne could be aggressive Stone/Bomb with imps
22:22:39 #corewars: < Fizmo> 23   7.2/  4.2/ 88.7           Beast of Nurgle    Christian Schmidt 110.2   42
22:22:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> 25  15.8/ 26.4/ 57.7          Knight of Khoron    Christian Schmidt 105.2    9
22:23:06 #corewars: < Mizcu> Tzeencth..  P-spacer?
22:23:23 #corewars: < Fizmo> maybe
22:23:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> Nurgle = Paper/imp, obvious
22:23:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes
22:23:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> Slaneesh, heavy scanner?
22:23:57 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes
22:24:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> hehe, cool
22:25:43 #corewars: < Fizmo> BTW, my first apperance at corewar found in cw issue 49
22:25:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> ;-)
22:28:29 #corewars: < Fizmo> 98 pts for AH's paper
22:28:58 #corewars: < Fizmo> some really interesting results appear
22:29:39 #corewars: < Fizmo> good scores against Herbal Avenger, Hazy Lazy and Jinx2
22:31:15 #corewars: < Fizmo> 40/40/20
22:34:24 #corewars: < Mizcu> (now that i look what i just wrote..  aggressive stone/bomb??)
22:35:21 #corewars: < Fizmo> Preserver ;-)
22:40:05 #corewars: < Mizcu> hmm.. an idea struct me..
22:46:22 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes?
22:48:39 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, I have to go now
22:48:45 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye Miz
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