--- Log opened Tue Mar 02 00:00:15 2004
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00:00:15 #corewars: < brx> series or movies (or ovas for that matter) ?
00:01:26 #corewars: < michal> I don't know.. I'm just looking for recommendation
00:01:36 #corewars: < michal> I suppose I doesn't matter that much
00:01:56 #corewars: < brx> the music: recurrent (hope|meaning)->resulting aspiration
00:02:06 #corewars: < michal> ..it doesn't matter..
00:02:09 #corewars: < Miz> If you search for something to start your introduction to anime with, then..
00:02:12 #corewars: < brx> i think that's why it has impact on me
00:02:21 #corewars:  * brx waits for miz' tip
00:02:48 #corewars: < Miz> ..depends too heavily on personal taste =P
00:03:05 #corewars: < michal> well, I've already been 'exposed', but not much really
00:03:07 #corewars:  * michal waits too
00:03:08 #corewars: < Miz> Cowboy Bebop  (action)
00:03:16 #corewars: < brx> michal: do you want to see something "soft" ? or more manly stuff? or both? ^^
00:04:03 #corewars: < Miz> Neon Genesis Evangelion   (action mecha, and so on. Traditional starter, certain percentage of people cannot stand it)
00:04:20 #corewars: < brx> you might want to try a movie first. a classic maybe.. ninja scrolls :)
00:04:30 #corewars: < brx> kenshin
00:04:37 #corewars: < brx> (the ova for a start)
00:05:08 #corewars: < michal> and what ova stands for? something like short series?
00:05:18 #corewars: < brx> yes miz, i saw it well after i was introduced to animes for the first time.. didn't like it ;)
00:05:45 #corewars: < Miz> NGE is best when you are around 13-16 years old ;)
00:06:17 #corewars: < michal> heh, not for an old fart like me :)
00:06:33 #corewars: < brx> ova ova...
00:06:46 #corewars: < brx> could you help me out miz?
00:06:58 #corewars: < Miz> Only video available    (Actually something else, but this is a name i find easy to remember)
00:07:02 #corewars: < brx> ah
00:07:04 #corewars: < brx> no
00:07:08 #corewars: < brx> original video animation
00:07:24 #corewars: < Miz> yes
00:07:38 #corewars: < brx>    1.
00:07:38 #corewars: < brx>       Short for Original Animated Video (OAV), or sometimes Original Video Animation (OVA), refers to an animated feature that was produced specifically for the home video market, bypassing broadcast, cable and theatrical releases.
00:07:40 #corewars: < michal> ..and in practice?
00:07:46 #corewars: < Miz> i just cant remember the official name
00:08:02 #corewars: < michal> okay, that explains
00:08:07 #corewars: < brx> mostly movies or short series 
00:08:37 #corewars: < brx> and mostly carrying a familiar anime's story further
00:08:39 #corewars: < brx> or explaining it..
00:09:42 #corewars: < Miz> Should i mention Ghost in the Shell?
00:09:56 #corewars: < brx> there is a anime series called kenshin. the ova explains the main character's history before the chron. setting the series takes place in
00:10:06 #corewars: < brx> (in a much more mature way)
00:10:10 #corewars: < brx> Miz: yes mention it
00:10:33 #corewars: < Miz> The movie was a bit of a disappointment, now that i think of it second time.
00:10:35 #corewars: < brx> although it was too "short" for my liking
00:10:43 #corewars:  * brx nods
00:10:51 #corewars: < brx> yes, it's hyped.
00:11:05 #corewars: < Miz> (Maybe it was the dubbing, or that the manga and SAC are both un-fucking-believable)
00:12:14 #corewars: < brx> really?
00:12:51 #corewars: < brx> anyway michal, what genres do you like
00:13:36 #corewars: < brx> hm no beer
00:13:51 #corewars: < Miz> SAC is better because its closer to the manga, simple explanation.
00:14:14 #corewars: < brx> okay... sac?
00:14:24 #corewars: < Miz> Stand Alone Complex   (tv-version)
00:14:48 #corewars: < brx> hum i don't know that
00:15:07 #corewars: < michal> well, I liked GITS, SAC, one of armitages [don't remember which], serial experiments lain
00:15:08 #corewars: < brx> what are you going to study miz?
00:15:21 #corewars: < brx> aaah
00:15:31 #corewars: < Miz> The first season just ended and i have seen 3 first episodes of 2nd o
00:16:18 #corewars: < Miz> brx: Information networks or to become a code-monkey. With some electronics at side if i have the time.
00:16:28 #corewars: < brx> michal: hum, you might wanna check out "beautiful days" or "wonderful days"
00:16:33 #corewars: < Miz> (i have Lain too, coincidence?)
00:16:34 #corewars: < brx> michal: it's a korean anime though.
00:17:02 #corewars: < brx> Miz: yes, ditto. or mathematics.
00:18:10 #corewars: < michal> I've seen that, too. I found the speech somewhat disturbing :), but generally it was okay, I think
00:18:19 #corewars: < brx> michal: yes, the speech was bah ^^
00:18:23 #corewars: < brx> hahahaha
00:18:48 #corewars: < brx> actually it's funny to read that statement of yours :)
00:19:34 #corewars: < brx> when the characters began to open their mouths i wanted to switch it off.
00:20:31 #corewars: < brx> i don't think a synchronized japanese anime would feel right though.
00:20:42 #corewars: < brx> i came to love the language
00:21:08 #corewars: < brx> michal: check out love hina ^^
00:21:12 #corewars:  * brx chuckles
00:21:19 #corewars: < brx> beer is advised.
00:21:24 #corewars: < michal> and what is that?
00:21:27 #corewars: < michal> [not the beer]
00:21:36 #corewars: < brx> well a japanese anime
00:21:38 #corewars: < brx> girly style
00:22:20 #corewars: < brx> hmm about a guy who plans on entering toudai (tokia university) because of a childhood promise he once made to a girl
00:22:21 #corewars: < Miz> So far i havent yet had to shut down anything while viewing becuase of bad (english) dubbing, but my god look at this:
00:22:22 #corewars: < Miz> http://koti.mbnet.fi/wheany/agapio/english.php
00:22:46 #corewars: < brx> Miz: well no, it's not english subbing which sounds disturbing.. it's korean unsubbed animes
00:24:28 #corewars: < brx> oh, and he fails the admittance
00:24:44 #corewars: < Miz> in Finland, when something is dubbed, the dubbing sucks with 99.5 % chance.
00:24:52 #corewars: < brx> repeatedly
00:25:05 #corewars: < brx> they dub in finland?
00:25:30 #corewars: < brx> are you the exception to the scandinavian rule? :)
00:25:35 #corewars: < Miz> All anime that is shown here is dubbed. No exceptions.
00:26:13 #corewars: < Miz> (But just about all anime is in the line of pókemon and similiar)
00:26:33 #corewars: < brx> michal: i don't consider "beautiful days" a top anime. hum. yes try the kenshin ova
00:26:42 #corewars: < brx> Miz: same here
00:26:52 #corewars: < brx> they have shown escaflowne on tv here
00:27:00 #corewars: < Miz> Certain "experimental" station showed Rayearth and Sailor Moon here,  Rayearth english -> subtitled, Sailor Moon something a lot worse.
00:27:02 #corewars: < brx> i didn't like the animation
00:27:27 #corewars:  * brx chuckles
00:28:07 #corewars: < Miz> The same experimental station also planned to have a hentai-week (!!!!!!!!)   but the cable company cut their plans because the company doesnt want to show anything erotic on public channels.
00:28:48 #corewars: < brx> hentais... ugh
00:28:52 #corewars: < brx> how i hate them :)
00:29:04 #corewars: < Miz> Sailor Moon was a version bought from Sweden, Swedish subtitled on Finnish. I didnt watch a single episode, because i would've puked after first 5 minutes.
00:29:27 #corewars: < brx> why is that?
00:29:44 #corewars: < brx> i always loved to listen to my swedish/norwegian girlfriends back then :)
00:30:10 #corewars: < Miz> a) Sailor Moon has bad reputation with me  b) I have a additude problem on swedish
00:30:12 #corewars: < brx> i like those languages
00:30:29 #corewars: < brx> oy
00:30:31 #corewars:  * brx nods
00:31:01 #corewars: < brx> those attitude problems vanish as soon as you fall in love
00:31:28 #corewars: < Miz> Every Finn must learn Swedish in school. I've flunked so far 3 times out of six tries.
00:31:43 #corewars: < brx> michal: oh, a GREAT series in my opinion is Naruto
00:32:15 #corewars: < brx> flunked?
00:32:17 #corewars: < Miz> I have a bad feeling i will fail highschool because i have zero motivation towards the language.
00:32:29 #corewars: < michal> I have the same attidute problem with german :)
00:32:32 #corewars: < brx> oy that's bad.
00:32:33 #corewars: < Miz> Flunked = down the toilet, failed
00:32:37 #corewars: < brx> michal: :(
00:32:59 #corewars: < michal> I suppose it has nothing to do with the language, just the teachers
00:33:05 #corewars: < brx> Miz: nobody fails highschool if brx passes two days from now ;)
00:33:43 #corewars: < brx> i have had a bad feeling for over two years now.
00:33:51 #corewars: < michal> and what is this Naruto thing?
00:34:34 #corewars: < Miz> I wouldnt fail either if it werent for   a) My depression that has made me fail one chapter completely, and is going to make another one soon. Yes, i take medication.   b) Gymnastics  c) Swedish.
00:34:38 #corewars: < brx> michal: it's the story of a teenager making his first few steps as a ninja having been grown up in a ninja village ^^
00:35:04 #corewars: < brx> michal: the character development is good. it's mostly a funny anime, but sometimes gets emotional and serious.
00:35:36 #corewars: < brx> Miz: that's interesting. i have been on medication until i stopped taking it in autumn 2003
00:37:18 #corewars: < brx> with each day towards a new chapter in life my condition gets better..
00:39:35 #corewars: < brx> if i am going to pass that is. my grades were always fluctuating between good and very poor during the last two years. tendency, dropping.
00:39:59 #corewars: < Miz> Lucky you, with me everything has been going just down-down-down for the last year.
00:39:59 #corewars: < brx> actually it's been over 5 years.
00:40:50 #corewars: < brx> Miz: well it always depended on my condition.. i feel in love in the summer of 2001.. with a norwegian girl. luckily that was when i entered the last phase of school in germany.
00:41:02 #corewars: < brx> i had a kickstart
00:41:17 #corewars: < brx> my grades were perfect for >6months..
00:42:12 #corewars: < michal> yeah, I remember I had perfect grades too..
00:42:20 #corewars: < michal> like 7 or 8 years ago
00:42:28 #corewars: < brx> when i lost contact to that girl and my condition worsened again. because of a short affair i lost all of my friends and it's been going down ever since late 2002
00:42:46 #corewars: < brx> with my grades too
00:43:04 #corewars: < brx> i have never worked really.. it's always been abuot my mentality
00:43:30 #corewars:  * brx scratches his head
00:44:46 #corewars: < brx> i don't remember the origin of my depression, the illness was diagnosed last year when i tried to kill myself. i don't care about the origin anymore.. i think i have changed, in a good way.
00:46:59 #corewars: < brx> but sometimes i still ask myself if i can affect this world's currents. it's funny.. i once had the feeling to be capable of great things. i often feel useless now. ^^
00:47:13 #corewars:  * brx chuckles
00:48:07 #corewars: < Miz> That's the problem with knowledge
00:48:29 #corewars: < brx> 2 weeks ago i thought to recognize autoimposed hydraulic despotism in my illness, i'm a megalomaniac
00:48:43 #corewars: < brx> Miz: explain.
00:50:08 #corewars: < Miz> Human happines originates mostly out of illusions - "young" people live in the illusion of greatness, own strenght and lack of thinking about meaning of like.
00:50:56 #corewars: < Miz> As you've become older, you understand how small you really are and are capable of thinking yourself as a useless small pebble in a great world.
00:51:57 #corewars: < brx> hum, i understand.. yet i never really felt happy.. mostly burdened by this feeling.. and it has not disappeared.. it's become immediate. i feel like having to choose my direction now. giving it all the momentum i have.. and i wonder if, at this time, i am strong enough for that.
00:52:31 #corewars: < Miz> Do you consider yourself atheist?
00:52:43 #corewars: < brx> an agnostic atheist, yes.
00:53:52 #corewars: < brx> why do you ask.
00:54:07 #corewars: < Miz> Leaving god behind leaves empty space in people that causes depression. 
00:54:18 #corewars: < Miz> (No, i am atheist also)
00:54:49 #corewars: < brx> well until they find themselves able to love to earth again. nietzsche
00:55:25 #corewars: < brx> second to == the
00:57:15 #corewars: < Miz> I have a feeling i should throw also a quote from nietzsche but i dont remember any good for the moment.
00:57:59 #corewars: < brx> i was just paraphrasing. i remember the speech of the mad man who brought the news of god's death though
00:58:24 #corewars: < brx> saying something abuot mankind "drifting away from its sun"
00:58:28 #corewars: < brx> or similar
00:59:35 #corewars: < brx> i believe in change for its own sake. as a sign of life.
00:59:49 #corewars: < brx> i believe in life because we happen to live.
01:00:11 #corewars: < Miz> But i believe that you yourself know to derive happiness from a view and that is not the source of your depression.
01:01:34 #corewars: < brx> i am not sure i am not capable of having the same source for happiness and depression..
01:02:33 #corewars: < brx> and also i am not sure if i derive happiness. sometimes i feel content.. but content with a situation of despair and loneliness.
01:03:49 #corewars: < brx> maybe i am enjoying delusions of "being special", but then, if i wasn't a castout, there wouldn#t be any need for this
01:03:51 #corewars: < brx> =)
01:04:31 #corewars: < brx> now what could be the source of my depression
01:04:44 #corewars: < brx> or.. what's the source of yours
01:05:11 #corewars: < Miz> If you are a castout, then why does someone like me, or anyone listen to you?
01:06:30 #corewars: < Miz> You must be special have interested on something like corewar
01:06:33 #corewars: < brx> few people really listen to me. you only read what i have to say, most people who listen are unsure about their own role .. or castouts themselves.
01:07:27 #corewars: < brx> nah, there are quite a few people interested in corewar, and probably all of them write more successful warriors than i do :)
01:08:36 #corewars: < brx> i think you misunderstood my last statement. i always try to analyze my motivation for staying like this.
01:09:47 #corewars: < Miz> Is that motivation for staying or fear of change?
01:09:55 #corewars: < brx> i think lachis corewar story is quite special though
01:10:36 #corewars: < brx> see, i don't think there is much of a difference when it comes to my situation.
01:12:54 #corewars: < Miz> So its all down to your will to power..
01:13:25 #corewars: < brx> will to power..
01:13:28 #corewars: < brx> ?
01:14:42 #corewars: < Miz> term used by Nietzsche,  the power of life, and humans lust for survival condensated into  simple term
01:15:37 #corewars: < brx> wasn't that the title of the book his little sister published for the nazi regime?
01:16:10 #corewars: < brx> uhm in favour of
01:17:00 #corewars: < Miz> Human as a species is succesful because they possess the will to power - It is the engine that drives humans forward and makes then go for greatness. Without will to power a species would die without push for future.
01:17:41 #corewars: < brx> mhm
01:19:37 #corewars: < Miz> Enviroment and destiny have "kicked" your emotions, taking away your meaning for life and currently you are alive only because your will to power keeps you from ending everything.
01:21:00 #corewars:  * brx smilesw
01:21:05 #corewars: < brx> no
01:21:05 #corewars: < Miz> You want to be better as a individual (= be more powerful) but your fear of losing self and/or powering some other individual has kept you from doing it.
01:21:56 #corewars: < brx> i think it does have something to do with expectations.
01:22:18 #corewars: < brx> with the feeling of throwing myself away in doing meaningless things.
01:22:43 #corewars: < brx> the pressure of doing it correctly if i choose to..
01:23:34 #corewars: < brx> i strive for contentment
01:23:41 #corewars: < Miz> a victim of european "efficiency"-way of thinking?
01:23:50 #corewars:  * brx shakes his head
01:24:50 #corewars: < brx> a victim of feeling designated
01:25:11 #corewars: < brx> a victim of feeling "special"
01:26:22 #corewars: < brx> and yet i feel empty with momentum at the moment.
01:26:34 #corewars: < brx> and that is what strikes fear into my heart
01:27:04 #corewars: < brx> as if i had to wait for another decade. for something, anything to happen
01:27:07 #corewars: < brx> a key event
01:27:25 #corewars: < brx> i wonder if i am dreaming
01:27:38 #corewars: < brx> without momentum btw
01:29:55 #corewars: < brx> a few years ago i saw the meaning of life, true contentment in interpersonal relationships.
01:30:32 #corewars: < brx> no, stronger... dependencies
01:31:56 #corewars: < Miz> do you feel anything while you are writing this to me?
01:33:00 #corewars: < brx> i wonder if any other personh here could have posed that question so precisely at the right moment.
01:33:23 #corewars: < Miz> as you are lightening burden from your heart to (mostly) anonymous person, listen sympathetically
01:34:40 #corewars: < brx> i am not lightening a burdern. at the very moment, i hardly feel anything at all.. i listen to the piano's melody and think about its meaning for me, its impact on me. i am just telling about myself i suppose.
01:35:44 #corewars: < brx> i also think about a future plan, an adventure you may call it.
01:36:06 #corewars: < Miz> life is an adventure
01:36:53 #corewars: < brx> and i seek the events which are able to open my eyes to that truth.
01:37:40 #corewars: < brx> i wonder how many people have said/thought/written that phrase without feeling its significance.
01:39:34 #corewars: < Miz> Maybe you should, after all studying is over, go and take a short trip at the world.
01:39:45 #corewars: < brx> which is what i was talking about.
01:39:57 #corewars: < brx> i will go without money.
01:41:31 #corewars: < brx> maybe you should join us? ^^
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01:43:22 #corewars: < Miz> Ooh, a newbie (?) has arrived
01:43:39 #corewars:  * brx bites into the dust
01:43:50 #corewars: < brx> hello there
01:44:41 #CoreWars: < AG3NT> yo
01:46:56 #corewars: < brx> are you new here?
01:49:45 #CoreWars: < AG3NT> yea
01:50:03 #corewars:  * brx smiles
01:50:16 #corewars: < brx> are you going to stay? :)
01:52:18 #CoreWars: < AG3NT> perhaps
01:53:37 #corewars: < brx> michal: you still there?
01:53:58 #corewars: < brx> AG3NT: how long have you been lurking in the shadows, reading about corewars?
01:54:53 #corewars: < michal> yes, I am
01:55:25 #corewars: < brx> look there is a new one here :)
01:57:52 #CoreWars: < AG3NT> i've first read about corewars many years ago
02:01:27 #CoreWars: < AG3NT> does redcode only have 9 opcodes?
02:02:03 #corewars: < Miz> 19 + end
02:02:23 #corewars: < Miz> (including CMP which is same as SEQ)
02:04:01 #corewars: < michal> where are you from?
02:04:03 #CoreWars: < AG3NT> i'm reading some old SciAm article
02:04:05 #CoreWars: < AG3NT> Bakersfield, CA
02:04:09 #CoreWars: < AG3NT> where you are from?
02:04:23 #corewars: < michal> poland, europe
02:04:25 #corewars: < brx> germany
02:04:31 #corewars: < Miz> Finland
02:04:56 #corewars: < Miz> (funny, usually this time of day one-one from europe is awake, you came here on right day)
02:05:10 #CoreWars: < AG3NT> one-one?
02:05:16 #corewars: < Miz> no-one
02:05:30 #CoreWars: < AG3NT> ah
02:05:42 #corewars: < brx> what about steve?
02:05:51 #corewars: < brx> the australian guy i heard
02:05:55 #corewars: < brx> of
02:06:05 #corewars: < Miz> Steve has been here only once if my memory serves correctly
02:06:18 #corewars: < Miz> he'll meet Philb with greatest chance
02:06:29 #corewars: < Miz> But philb has been also very quiet recently
02:06:43 #corewars: < brx> lukasz told me that i "would be the one to talk to steve from australia" because he usually shows up when all are sleeping
02:17:03 #CoreWars:  * AG3NT is away
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02:54:23 #corewars: < michal> okay, I had good time talking, or mostly listening to you guys..
02:54:32 #corewars: < michal> but now I really need to get some sleep
02:54:34 #corewars: < michal> good night
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02:55:29 #corewars: < brx> ^^
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05:14:21 #corewars: < bvowk> augh.
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06:25:08 #corewars: < johnkw> lemme know if there's any problems with the http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/current.pl?hill tweaks
07:03:08 #corewars: < grabek> it works nice in links
07:08:32 #corewars: < johnkw> heh kinda ugly in lynx
07:08:33 #corewars: < grabek> nicely
07:08:37 #corewars: < grabek> hi johnkw 
07:09:08 #corewars: < grabek> i am not sure whether lynx supports tables
07:09:29 #corewars: < grabek> ok it looks sucky in everything else
07:09:36 #corewars: < grabek> lines are not wrapped :-(
07:10:12 #corewars: < grabek> and strategy columns is as long as the longest strategy line one can find on the hill
07:13:00 #corewars: < grabek> scratch the s in 'columns'
07:14:54 #corewars: < johnkw> yea not sure how to make lynx happy about that sort of thing, dont think it has a concept of horizontal scroll
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07:53:40 #corewars: < johnkw> per another request, made http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/hugetable.pl?hill94nop more vibrant in the case where the scores were all similar
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10:20:52 #corewars: < joonas> hey will
10:21:26 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello joonas
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10:53:15 #corewars: < joonas> bbs
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10:54:44 #corewars: < will_varf> bbs
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10:58:19 #corewars: < willvarfa> back
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12:42:57 #corewars: < Mizcu> whoa, johnkw has been alive
12:45:02 #corewars: < willvarfa> has he?
12:45:02 #corewars: < Mizcu> modified koth's hugetable this morning and commented it here
12:47:10 #corewars: < willvarfa> ah cool!
12:47:57 #corewars: < willvarfa> so are you entering gridwars3?
12:48:10 #corewars: < Mizcu> nope
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14:32:03 #corewars:  * brx nods
14:32:06 #corewars: < brx> hello.
14:32:11 #corewars: < brx> brb, fetching food.
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14:55:30 #corewars: < Mizcu> brX
14:55:43 #corewars: < brx> MizCu 
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14:56:10 #corewars: < brx> sigh, food, bbl ;)
14:56:10 #corewars: < brx> hi will
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15:36:08 #corewars: < michal> hi
15:38:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi michal
15:41:14 #corewars: < will_varf> hello
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16:20:34 #corewars: < brx> re
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16:59:03 #corewars: < brx> hi michal (delayed)
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17:15:15 #corewars: < michal> hi brx
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17:15:45 #corewars: < brx> ..
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18:28:30 #corewars: < Roy> Hi
18:28:31 #corewars: < bvowk> greets roy
18:28:34 #corewars: < bvowk> how's it going?
18:28:37 #corewars: < Mizcu> Roy
18:29:00 #corewars:  * bvowk wonders about mathematica
18:29:23 #corewars:  * Roy is dissapointed
18:29:34 #corewars: < Roy> Gridwars is hard! :)
18:30:02 #corewars: < bvowk> is it hard or is it just hard to do anything useful because its so limited
18:30:47 #corewars: < Roy> No, its hard to beat other contestants, I thought I had a good warrior...and it beats most other warriors....in 1on1, but when you add more then one warrior, asskicked
18:31:17 #corewars: < bvowk> so you're overextending yourself?
18:31:32 #corewars: < Roy> No idea why...
18:31:35 #corewars: < bvowk> you can win if unchallenged, but can't defend if challenged?
18:32:53 #corewars: < Roy> Well, I think the problem is my warrior is too agressive
18:33:15 #corewars: < Roy> Fighting another warrior its great, but fighting multible...you have no defense
18:33:33 #corewars: < brx> hello Roy 
18:33:37 #corewars: < grabek> hello
18:33:44 #corewars: < brx> hey grabbi ^^
18:33:48 #corewars: < Roy> hi
18:33:48 #corewars: < grabek> hey brx 
18:33:49 #corewars: < Roy> hi
18:33:50 #corewars: < Roy> :)
18:34:23 #corewars: < grabek> hi
18:34:23 #corewars: < grabek> hi
18:34:26 #corewars: < grabek> :)
18:35:56 #corewars: < grabek> gridwars
18:35:58 #corewars: < grabek> hm
18:36:25 #corewars: < Roy> You tried it? planning on?
18:36:49 #corewars: < bvowk> did you find a linux version yesterday roy?
18:37:37 #corewars: < Roy> No, sorry
18:37:42 #corewars: < grabek> tomorrow
18:37:45 #corewars: < grabek> not today
18:37:46 #corewars: < Roy> (didn't look very much either)
18:37:51 #corewars: < grabek> i am resting a bit
18:38:00 #corewars: < grabek> and getting prepared for a reading
18:38:33 #corewars: < Roy> print the CxC manual ;)
18:39:06 #corewars: < grabek> at home?
18:39:22 #corewars: < grabek> I like Achillu's post about new round
18:39:53 #corewars: < Roy> Yeah, cool idea to send those mails
18:40:56 #corewars: < grabek> it was sent with a mailing list, no?
18:40:56 #corewars:  * bvowk didn't find a linux version yesterday either
18:41:54 #corewars: < Roy> No, he hand-collected 158 email adresses I think..
18:42:12 #corewars: < bvowk> he has too much time on his hands :)
18:43:16 #corewars: < Roy> he reads that now as: time@hands
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18:44:05 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi
18:44:11 #corewars: < Roy> hi
18:44:12 #corewars: < bvowk> greets john.
18:44:13 #corewars: < Mizcu> Mettie!
18:44:16 #corewars: < grabek> hi Mizcu 
18:44:18 #corewars: < grabek> upsie
18:44:20 #corewars: < grabek> hi Metcalf 
18:44:30 #corewars: < Roy> Mettie? lol :)
18:44:37 #corewars: < grabek> Mettie
18:44:38 #corewars: < grabek> hm
18:44:57 #corewars: < grabek> btw metcalf is very popular name in England, no?
18:45:17 #corewars: < Metcalf> Anything new today? Apart from strange looking status reports and bright thingies?
18:45:56 #corewars: < grabek> what are bright thingies, anyway?
18:46:04 #corewars: < Metcalf> Lukasz, not sure.  Definitely not as popular as Smith, Jones, Carter, Wilkinson, Davidson, etc.
18:46:10 #corewars: < Metcalf> Huge tables
18:46:11 #corewars:  * brx lights a cigarette and points at it
18:46:53 #corewars: < brx> hm, i am going to write a perl script to optimize my warrior constants.
18:47:05 #corewars: < grabek> yeah, johnkw added a strategy column
18:47:06 #corewars:  * bvowk knew a guy named Dick Smith, when he got married, the hotel wouldn't let him have the honeymoon suite because they didn't believe his ID was real
18:47:13 #corewars: < bvowk> he was quite upset
18:47:38 #corewars: < grabek> is dick smith somewhat related to joe doe?
18:47:54 #corewars: < Metcalf> http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateMonk/England-Surnames/Top50.htm
18:48:01 #corewars: < bvowk> somewhat
18:48:07 #corewars: < Metcalf> Fred Smith, Joe Bloggs
18:48:22 #corewars: < Roy> Lukasz Bloggs too!
18:48:30 #corewars:  * grabek slaps Roy
18:48:52 #corewars: < grabek> no Metcalf 
18:48:53 #corewars: < grabek> pity
18:50:59 #corewars:  * bvowk bets its really Johnathan Edward Metcalf IVIIXI the 3rd :)
18:51:32 #corewars: < grabek> What's that xyz at the end?
18:51:50 #corewars: < grabek> the heir number? :-P
18:53:04 #corewars: < Metcalf> It's John Anthony Metcalf, my dad, grandad and great-grandad were all George, so no roman numerals for me :-/
18:53:17 #corewars: < Metcalf> I could have had the IV
18:54:03 #corewars:  * Roy is really Roy Remco van Rijn
18:54:18 #corewars: < grabek> I won't tell
18:55:17 #corewars: < Roy> ah, come on..
18:55:51 #corewars: < grabek> a-a
18:56:55 #corewars: < Roy> Lukasz Amadeus Jonathan Grabun the Third?
18:57:02 #corewars: < Metcalf> Did you all get an email from Achille?
18:57:08 #corewars: < Roy> Yep
18:57:25 #corewars: < grabek> Filip
18:57:38 #corewars: < grabek> Which is Polish transcription of the name Phillip
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18:58:51 #corewars: < Roy> In the Netherlands we even have a smaller version Flip (true!)
18:58:59 #corewars: < grabek> buzz off, Roy 
18:59:40 #corewars: < Roy> No, its for real!
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19:00:09 #corewars: < grabek> i don't think i like Dutch version then
19:01:06 #corewars: < Roy> http://www.flipdenooyer.nl/   <- Flip the photographer
19:01:25 #corewars: < grabek> Hm, Sams get ass kicked in Iraq
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19:04:35 #corewars: < Metcalf> Did I miss anything?
19:04:57 #corewars: < grabek> No
19:05:01 #corewars: < grabek> Roy has just insulted me
19:05:54 #corewars: < Metcalf> Someone must have *clicked*
19:06:02 #corewars:  * Metcalf looks suspiciously at Bvowk
19:06:18 #corewars: < grabek> lol
19:06:21 #corewars:  * Roy didn't insult anybody :(
19:06:36 #corewars: < grabek> Barkley may be responsible for few things
19:07:00 #corewars: < grabek> Poverty, hunger and flew, just to name few
19:09:39 #corewars: < grabek> also
19:09:50 #corewars: < grabek> the fact that we've run out of coffee last week
19:11:36 #corewars: < grabek> John has declared on a public forum that he will issue next CW soon
19:11:52 #corewars:  * Metcalf wonders if he is still here
19:12:37 #corewars: < Roy> You are JM, and I'm looking forward to the issue :)
19:13:26 #corewars: < Metcalf> Oh good.
19:13:48 #corewars: < bvowk> suspiciosuly?!
19:14:17 #corewars:  * bvowk is only resonsible for pestilence and death.. the rest isn't my fault at all.
19:14:39 #corewars: < grabek> dammit
19:14:43 #corewars: < grabek> s/flew/flou/
19:14:52 #corewars:  * grabek snatches the coffee cup
19:25:33 #corewars: < Metcalf> Grrr... internet has slowed to a standstill here :-/
19:26:38 #corewars: < grabek> no, everything's ok
19:27:01 #corewars: < grabek> hm
19:27:19 #corewars: < grabek> 19:42 [ctcp(Metcalf)] PING 1078252970 375921
19:27:20 #corewars: < grabek> 19:43 CTCP PING reply from Metcalf: 14.371 seconds
19:32:15 #corewars: < grabek> ok, i'm off. Going to my books
19:32:17 #corewars:  * grabek waves
19:32:54 #corewars:  * Metcalf waves
19:33:02 #corewars:  * brx waves
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19:41:12 #corewars: < Metcalf> Who designed a keyboard with a power button right next to the delete button?
19:41:51 #corewars: < Mizcu> someone who uses windows?
19:42:16 #corewars: < brx> a power button? as in a power switch for your computer?
19:42:39 #corewars: < brx> on the keyboard.. rofl ;)
19:42:50 #corewars: < Metcalf> Yes. It has the same effect as the power switch on the main box
19:43:06 #corewars: < Metcalf> It isn't funny, I just knocked it...
19:44:01 #corewars: < brx> well yes, that's what i understood. try covering it with something ;)
19:45:09 #corewars: < Metcalf> If it was my computer I'd pull the key off the keyboard completely
19:45:16 #corewars: < Metcalf> (Or get a new keyboard)
19:46:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> Wonder how well those buttons work on 'nix:es as windowses are already busted when you are trying to reboot from the keyboard.
19:49:51 #corewars: < brx> sigh.. now.. when generating loop constructs on the fly in perl i feel my love for lisp the most :(
19:57:43 #corewars: < Metcalf> Nearly time for me to go.
20:01:51 #corewars:  * Metcalf waves
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20:19:40 #corewars: < brx> someone give me lisp macros
20:19:45 #corewars:  * brx kicks perl
20:20:02 #corewars:  * brx kicks perl again and makes sure it doesn't stand up again
20:23:32 #corewars:  * brx looks at the quoting terror
20:27:31 #corewars: < brx> it's funny concanating q// and qq//
20:58:36 #corewars: < brx> for(0..1){@template[$constants{step2}[1]]=~s[(?<=equ\s)\s*\S+][$_];for(0..1){@template[$constants{step1}[1]]=~s[(?<=equ\s)\s*\S+][$_];for(0..1){@template[$constants{dc2}[1]]=~s[(?<=equ\s)\s*\S+][$_];print TW @template;}}}
20:58:49 #corewars: < brx> linenoise anyone?
21:02:06 #corewars: < Mizcu> I feel like an insane, laughing for nothing, but that's just..  absurd for me.
21:02:36 #corewars: < brx> hm?
21:02:57 #corewars: < brx> is that referring to my programming style? ...
21:03:00 #corewars: < Mizcu> does bring linenoise to my mind
21:03:11 #corewars: < brx> ...man, i just don't like whitespace
21:04:42 #corewars: < brx> it's actually only a testconstruct yet.. i haven't used perl to generate perl yet. it sucks. it's possible though, and i need it for my constants optimizer for corewars
21:05:17 #corewars: < brx> syntax in *.red files would be "constant equ opt(100-2000)"
21:05:22 #corewars: < brx> or something
21:08:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> hmm.. searching through.. god, are these 4 or 5 year old cd's..
21:14:46 #corewars: < Mizcu> My god, i knew i wouldnt have burned anything on fujifilm's cd:s myself..  Eminem's album, counterstrike beta 6.6 and updates for half-life, still here forgotten by my friend
21:16:39 #corewars: < brx> ^^
21:20:39 #corewars: < Mizcu> well this is interesting, cd that is reported as empty (!)
21:25:16 #corewars: < brx> ?!?!?!
21:26:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> i didnt fiddle with audio-protections then and the reflected surface hasnt changed. Must've been some leftover when i foud out the real quality of mmore-cd:s.
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21:36:23 #corewars: < brx> Mizcu: what programming languages do you know
21:37:02 #corewars: < Mizcu> quickbasic, and supposedly line or two of pascal
21:37:25 #corewars: < brx> oh? not interested in programming?
21:38:10 #corewars: < Mizcu> i would love to be able to use C but i just havent got the motivation to take that book and start studying
21:39:34 #corewars: < brx> hum
21:39:46 #corewars: < michal> and what languages do you know, brx?
21:39:53 #corewars: < brx> interestingly i never lack the motivation to learn something about computers :)
21:40:49 #corewars: < Mizcu> I could get nice speed increase if i would change my bruteforcer from basic & doscommands & pmars -> pure code with exhaust
21:41:22 #corewars: < brx> michal: hum, c/c++, a BIT x86 asm, and highlevel languages like perl, python, common lisp and scheme
21:41:39 #corewars: < brx> Mizcu: yup.
21:41:46 #corewars: < brx> copti will be mega slow.
21:42:18 #corewars: < Mizcu> still cant find the darn cd i am looking for
21:43:03 #corewars: < brx> michal: oh and some layouting languages ^^ html, latex ..
21:47:45 #corewars: < brx> Mizcu: i wonder if my failure in cw is mostly because of unoptimized constants.
21:47:55 #corewars: < brx> i never cared to optimize
21:48:08 #corewars: < Mizcu> in case of papers, that could be it
21:51:06 #corewars: < Mizcu> but i wouldnt say you have failed cw yet
21:51:47 #corewars: < Mizcu> it took 6 months for hurkyl so put devilish together and 1 year for me to put mono together
21:52:48 #corewars: < brx> well i have not yet given up
21:53:47 #corewars:  * brx lights a cigarette
21:53:54 #corewars: < bvowk> that shit'll kill you
21:54:33 #corewars: < brx> to be able to die one must first begin to live
21:55:36 #corewars:  * brx pats bvowk on his back
21:56:12 #corewars: < bvowk> yes, but to really live one must be able to walk without wheazing.
21:56:42 #corewars: < brx> my babble script was not able to translate that last word of yours :)
22:01:21 #corewars:  * brx prods bvowk 
22:03:05 #corewars: < bvowk> quit that
22:03:18 #corewars: < brx> what does wheazing mean
22:03:59 #corewars: < bvowk> its what you do when you can't breathe..
22:04:25 #corewars: < brx> oh
22:07:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> before; it was planned that all worlds waste would've been made into 3"5 disks, so that the wastes would make themselves disappear: today the same thing applies to cd's.
22:07:32 #corewars: < Mizcu> (Still havent found it)
22:12:39 #corewars: < brx> lol
22:12:41 #corewars: < brx> $loops .= q/for(/.qq/$constants{$_}[1] .. $constants{$_}[2]/.q/){@template[$constants{/.qq/$_/.q/}[3]]=~s[(?<=equ\s)\s*\S+][$_];/ for keys %constants;
22:12:44 #corewars: < brx> $loops .= q/print TW @template;}/.q/}/x($cnum-1);
22:27:03 #corewars: < bvowk> while(1) slap(brx,"STFU");
22:28:00 #corewars: < bvowk> bah.. I'm grumpy today.
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22:29:41 #corewars: < brx> aw :(
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