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08:54:41 #corewars: < will_varf> for the sys administering lurkers: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/35497.html
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10:38:57 #corewars: < Roy> Hi
10:39:02 #corewars: < Mizcu> roy
10:39:10 #corewars: < Roy> Lukasz: Nice tutorial about Carbonite!
10:39:13 #corewars: < Roy> Hi miz
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11:22:31 #corewars: < Mizcu> will
11:37:09 #corewars: < willvarfa> Mizcu, 
11:40:41 #corewars: < Mizcu> generation 727, warrior 19178 65 wilfiz. Peak seen at 71
11:44:25 #corewars: < willvarfa> that is a shame
11:44:32 #corewars: < willvarfa> those aren't great numbers
11:44:41 #corewars: < willvarfa> I haven't been having much luck today either
11:45:07 #corewars: < willvarfa> basically, whilst my warriors are trying lots of things, they haven't found anything useful
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11:50:35 #corewars: < Mizcu> for some reason, spl in front of a stone gets removed in my evo's
11:50:48 #corewars: < will_varf> which is strange
11:51:14 #corewars: < will_varf> because statistically, spl is going to keep getting suggested as going before the mov
11:51:14 #corewars: < Mizcu> and then it degenerates into creating the most wicked tail for the stone-gene
11:51:21 #corewars: < will_varf> so you'll keep seeing it get reintroduced
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11:51:41 #corewars: < will_varf> if it is outcompeted by single-process stones, why??
11:52:09 #corewars: < Mizcu>         ORG     START
11:52:09 #corewars: < Mizcu>         mov.i  >    2 , $-1257
11:52:09 #corewars: < Mizcu>         add.ab #  447 , $   -1
11:52:09 #corewars: < Mizcu> START   djn.f  @   -1 , {  297
11:52:09 #corewars: < Mizcu>         dat.f  $  -11 , $    0
11:53:02 #corewars: < Mizcu> only thing to change in the last two hours has been the djn.f's {297 , it was ~-3900 before
11:54:07 #corewars: < will_varf> what are your length parameters?
11:54:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> 10-20
11:54:34 #corewars: < will_varf> so you trim the garbage?
11:55:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> no, i just didnt want to paste 15 lines here
11:58:02 #corewars: < Mizcu> i have an idea why the spl gets removed
11:58:32 #corewars: < will_varf> ?
11:58:36 #corewars: < Mizcu> it has always been, that the starting instruction has changed from the spl into the following add
11:59:13 #corewars: < Mizcu> the bombing loop doesnt jump straight into the spl and thus the spl becomes useless in ways other than djn-protection
11:59:37 #corewars: < will_varf> hmm, you give me an idea
12:00:04 #corewars: < will_varf> maybe for each branch instruction, I ought to keep stats on what it is likely to jump to
12:00:11 #corewars: < will_varf> hmm, might be difficult though
12:00:17 #corewars: < will_varf> to gather those stats, I mean
12:04:22 #corewars: < Mizcu> new evo has began
12:04:35 #corewars: < Mizcu> "let there be light!"
12:04:50 #corewars: < will_varf> best of luck :-)
12:05:22 #corewars:  * will_varf has just upped the mutation and crossover in hope of ingiting some spark in the darknes
12:05:22 #corewars: < will_varf> s
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17:13:24 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi
17:13:36 #corewars: < will_varf> hello John
17:13:38 #corewars: < will_varf> how goes it?
17:14:02 #corewars: < Mizcu> argh,my keyboard just died
17:14:36 #corewars: < CoreChild> Nice update on tiny Koenigstuhl :-)
17:14:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Will, not too bad.
17:15:07 #corewars: < CoreChild> Just moved my stuff from one house to another.
17:15:08 #corewars: < Mizcu> (i use now on-screen keyboard with mouse)
17:15:17 #corewars: < CoreChild> 47 boxes of computer related material!
17:15:28 #corewars: < will_varf> !!
17:15:30 #corewars: < CoreChild> (I need to sort it now)
17:15:34 #corewars: < will_varf> quite a collection, if I remember..
17:15:36 #corewars: < Mizcu> 47!?
17:15:51 #corewars: < will_varf> did you start finding yourself distracted, actually looking at it all and remembering back..?
17:17:52 #corewars: < CoreChild> Well, I paid someone to pack it, so I haven't seen it yet.  Having not been there for a long time, I might find a few things I'd forgotten about.
17:18:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> Got a Hecktor III computer, a Cray Workstation, and more
17:19:41 #corewars: < will_varf> big names first; what is a cray workstation??
17:20:32 #corewars: < CoreChild> My 9 line CLP is available on Koenigstuhl now.  I did make a couple of 8-liners, but the compromises I had to make to save that line reflected in the score
17:20:48 #corewars:  * CoreChild still hasn't examined Michal's 8-liner closely
17:21:59 #corewars: < CoreChild> It is a mini-computer which apart from being a computer in it's own right, was used to instruct the supercomputer
17:22:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> It's the size of a washing machine, and about twice the weight!
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17:22:42 #corewars: < willvarfa> was it attached to an X1 or something?
17:23:00 #corewars: < CoreChild> Used to work, though I had some problems with it once.  Must get it working again
17:23:33 #corewars: < willvarfa> what kind of chip does it have?  what operating system?  what is it like??
17:23:35 #corewars: < CoreChild> I can't recall which one now.  I picked it up for 20 quid
17:23:57 #corewars: < willvarfa> I just wondered if you had the supercomputer too..
17:24:37 #corewars: < CoreChild> No :-(
17:25:00 #corewars: < CoreChild> When I finally buy a new place though, I will be on the look-out for one!
17:25:12 #corewars: < CoreChild> (or any interesting minis)
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17:25:21 #corewars: < jaska> console/frontend
17:29:46 #corewars: < CoreChild> HI Jaska
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17:30:28 #corewars: < CoreChild> I successfully compiler a few C programs on it.
17:30:34 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Joonas
17:30:46 #corewars: < joonas> hi john
17:30:48 #corewars: < joonas> and all
17:31:19 #corewars: < willvarfa> hi
17:31:32 #corewars: < joonas> hi will
17:31:35 #corewars: < joonas> good day?
17:31:53 #corewars: < jaska> hi hi.
17:31:58 #corewars: < CoreChild> There are quite a few new tiny programs on Koenigstuhl ;-)
17:32:00 #corewars: < jaska> heh, what os does it have?
17:32:03 #corewars: < willvarfa> so John, you thought about playing with FPGAs?
17:32:59 #corewars:  * CoreChild needs to find out if it is cheaper to fly to Berlin, or sail then get the train
17:33:13 #corewars: < jaska> sailing sounds awfully slow.
17:33:45 #corewars: < willvarfa> when will the fizmo meet be?
17:33:59 #corewars: < willvarfa> CoreChild, Berlin well inland??
17:35:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes, but I get to see more from the train. (and it might be cheaper)
17:36:36 #corewars: < CoreChild> Someone at the meeting should have a digital cam and put the pictures straight on the web every day.  (I assume we will meet more than one day if web are travelling so far)
17:36:50 #corewars: < CoreChild> Computer access would be nice too (for IRC?)
17:36:59 #corewars: < jaska> i want a cray too :(
17:37:50 #corewars: < joonas> heh.. imagine the local internet cafe crowded with a group of redcoders :)
17:37:59 #corewars: < jaska> haha
17:38:11 #corewars: < willvarfa> there must be a local lug to borrow?
17:38:16 #corewars: < jaska> theyd probably call gsg
17:38:36 #corewars: < joonas> gsg?
17:38:45 #corewars: < jaska> gsg9
17:39:04 #corewars: < jaska> Grenzschutzgruppe-9
17:39:13 #corewars:  * joonas looks that up
17:39:18 #corewars: < CoreChild> lug? gsg?
17:39:30 #corewars: < willvarfa> lug == linux user group
17:39:41 #corewars: < jaska> gsg-9 = german counter-terrorist group
17:39:48 #corewars: < CoreChild> Aha, now I get it
17:39:57 #corewars: < joonas> heh
17:40:01 #corewars: < willvarfa> whilst linux != corewars, I bet they'd be enthusiastic to assist in a little tourn
17:40:41 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yeah, face to face tournament.  See how each other really codes.
17:40:58 #corewars: < CoreChild> I have to find my birth certificate actually, so I can get a passport
17:41:13 #corewars: < willvarfa> like that dutch lug mentioned on r.g.c.?
17:41:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> So, who's going to get some Corewar merchandise made up and make a bit of cash?
17:41:49 #corewars: < CoreChild> T-Shirts
17:41:53 #corewars: < joonas> coffee mugs
17:42:09 #corewars: < jaska> 'i got owned by a coreclear' -demotivator posters?
17:42:25 #corewars: < joonas> lol
17:43:32 #corewars: < CoreChild> http://www.embroideryexpress.co.uk/sow.htm#
17:43:43 #corewars: < CoreChild> (but they're 65% polyester)
17:45:14 #corewars: < willvarfa> " 'that dwarf'll get it from behind!' - An Imp"
17:45:19 #corewars: < willvarfa> sorry
17:45:26 #corewars: < CoreChild> Looks promising though, minimum order of 6, price of 6 quid includes stitching of logo.  (24+ = 5 quid)
17:46:11 #corewars: < willvarfa> logo is stitched not just a transfer?  Bargin!
17:47:38 #corewars: < CoreChild> What would be a suitable logo.  Up to 6000 stitches which I suppose isn't too bit.
17:47:43 #corewars: < CoreChild> bit EQU big
17:47:55 #corewars:  * CoreChild suggests "MOV.I #1,1"
17:48:03 #corewars: < willvarfa> repeated..
17:48:37 #corewars: < willvarfa> what is the single most notable chunk of code?  dclear? silk? spiral?
17:49:03 #corewars: < joonas> mov 0,1 is probably the most widely recognised.
17:49:08 #corewars: < CoreChild> Three times?  On the left I suppose.
17:49:31 #corewars: < CoreChild> Or, if we are going to have 3 lines, how about Kline's silver bullet?
17:50:45 #corewars: < willvarfa> what is that?
17:53:54 #corewars: < joonas> kline's silver bullet is a three line stone that self-mutates its step to be able to run 80K cycles and cover all of core.
17:54:31 #corewars: < CoreChild> 3 line stone with changing step
17:54:40 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hits almost all of core.
17:54:50 #corewars:  * bvowk fehs
17:56:09 #corewars: < bvowk> greets all
17:56:24 #corewars: < joonas> hello bvowk
17:56:30 #corewars: < bvowk> How are you joonas?
17:56:42 #corewars: < jaska> feh! blah!
17:56:50 #corewars: < joonas> pretty good -- taking a break on #corewars. :)
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17:56:55 #corewars: < joonas> and you?
17:57:04 #corewars: < CoreChild> Any other ideas for Corewar mechandise?  Shirts, Mugs, Posters
17:57:11 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Bvowk
17:57:37 #corewars: < bvowk> just finished up a war-walk of my area with the zaurus and my new CF wireless nic
17:57:50 #corewars: < joonas> got many hits?
17:57:52 #corewars: < bvowk> didn't find any unauthorized access points so thats a good thing
17:58:46 #corewars: < bvowk> there are ALOT of access points around tho
17:59:03 #corewars: < bvowk> I found at least 30 wandering my little area
17:59:12 #corewars: < bvowk> but they weren't attached to my network..
17:59:17 #corewars: < joonas> so they're open for all to use?
17:59:28 #corewars: < CoreChild> What do you think to evolving in a multi-warrior core?  There is no maximum cycles to worry about, the core is perpetual.  New warriors are continually born into it.
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17:59:39 #corewars: < bvowk> not all of them
17:59:44 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
17:59:59 #corewars: < joonas> hi fizmo
18:00:17 #corewars: < bvowk> core: I forget which game that sounds like, but there is a corewars like game that would keep a constant population
18:00:20 #corewars: < Fizmo> still working on my second entry for R16
18:00:23 #corewars: < joonas> btw, does anyone here have Mozilla Firebird/Firefox ?
18:00:39 #corewars:  * bvowk runs full frontal mozilla
18:00:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Christian.
18:00:44 #corewars:  * Fizmo uses IE
18:00:49 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi John
18:01:05 #corewars: < CoreChild> Bvowk: I will have to find that
18:01:26 #corewars: < bvowk> it was someones research project iirc
18:01:31 #corewars: < joonas> bvowk: do the lp hills on sal look strange to you?
18:01:36 #corewars:  * bvowk goes looking through his log of odd stuff
18:01:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> Fizmo: I've only written one so far.
18:02:24 #corewars: < Fizmo> Does someone reaches the 300 pts for Wilfiz and chars?
18:02:35 #corewars: < CoreChild> If RF16 was max 160 instead of max 250 character, we could enter by text message!  (Sascha would choose names)
18:02:40 #corewars: < bvowk> other than fizmo holding up nearly every spot, no :)
18:02:52 #corewars: < joonas> 'k. thanks.
18:03:21 #corewars: < bvowk> !
18:03:21 #corewars: < bvowk> dave hillie!
18:03:21 #corewars: < bvowk> hillis!
18:03:56 #corewars: < bvowk> evolved!
18:03:56 #corewars: < bvowk> !!
18:03:56 #corewars: < bvowk> thats cool!
18:04:30 #corewars:  * CoreChild has a 56 char warrior which scores about 120 wilfiz (iirc)
18:04:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> cool
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18:04:57 #corewars: < CoreChild> Oh, this place closes in 5 minutes, so in 5 minutes I will be kicked out :-/
18:05:00 #corewars: < bvowk> nice entry too
18:05:04 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am at 148 Wilfiz but with 111 chars
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18:08:38 #corewars: < joonas> did Dave submit a new evolved warrior?
18:09:05 #corewars: < bvowk> 6 challenges ago
18:09:27 #corewars: < joonas> what hill?
18:09:44 #corewars: < Fizmo> bvowk: how is the progress with the article?
18:09:47 #corewars: < bvowk> lp, its been there for like a month
18:09:54 #corewars: < bvowk> but I haven't been paying attenting
18:09:58 #corewars: < bvowk> attention even
18:10:06 #corewars: < bvowk> fiz: this weekend I'll get it done :)
18:10:40 #corewars: < joonas> heh.. 100% ties vs. itself.
18:10:46 #corewars:  * Fizmo is looking forward :)
18:12:10 #corewars: < CoreChild> Okay, unfortunately time to go. :-(
18:12:20 #corewars:  * wv|phone *Waves*
18:12:24 #corewars: < joonas> bye
18:12:25 #corewars:  * Fizmo waves
18:12:44 #corewars: < bvowk> bye John
18:13:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> I also have to go. My son wants to play with me before he goes to sleep
18:13:59 #corewars: < joonas> me too... break time's pretty much over for me.
18:14:08 #corewars: < CoreChild> Cheers Fizmo
18:14:23 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye
18:14:24 #corewars: < CoreChild> Oh, cheers Joonas too.
18:14:28 #corewars: < Fizmo> bbl
18:14:29 #corewars:  * joonas waves
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18:14:47 #corewars:  * bvowk goes to work too 
18:15:06 #corewars: < CoreChild> Chhers Bvowk
18:15:38 #corewars: < CoreChild> Chhers equ Cheers
18:15:51 #corewars:  * wv|phone stares into his evolving brew with disappointment
18:16:08 #corewars: < wv|phone> John, you must come back and talk about your evolver soon!
18:16:31 #corewars: < CoreChild> Will do
18:16:35 #corewars:  * CoreChild is off
18:16:42 #corewars:  * CoreChild *waves*
18:16:47 #corewars:  * wv|phone *Waves*
18:16:59 #corewars: < CoreChild> Cheers Will, all
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