--- Log opened Mon Feb 09 00:00:01 2004
****NEW DAY****
00:00:01 #corewars: < jakub> try: "nice_and_smart" :-p
00:00:43 #corewars: < Roy> or just ask me :)
00:00:51 #corewars:  * jakub is pointing at Roy and saying: "Do something for the community - give us your password!" :)
00:01:03 #COREWARS: < steveg> Hazy is cmp scanner. Any one know what Lukaz did with Crackling Ice?
00:01:15 #corewars: < grabek> it is blur scanner
00:01:26 #corewars: < jakub> hi
00:01:29 #corewars: < grabek> hi
00:01:38 #corewars: < Roy> jakub: I already gave you the source, isn't that enough?
00:01:44 #COREWARS: < steveg> Wow ... I'll stop giving you scanner tips 8-)
00:01:50 #corewars: < grabek> lol
00:02:14 #corewars: < grabek> wait, I'll publish it
00:03:03 #corewars: < Roy> http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/94/HILL/devilstick.red  <- what more do you need?
00:03:21 #COREWARS: < steveg> A clue?
00:03:48 #corewars: < Roy> This is actualy the first warrior that I send to koenig with other constants then the hill version
00:03:54 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Sorry, guys...Don't kill me..But i can't get run these IRCT...over 210 Entry, and mts won'T work because of to many label or so..I must write a script for that. Plaese for give me. But i can do it only tomorrow.
00:04:24 #corewars: < Roy> Its ok, take your time :)
00:04:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> That's not a problem. It will be posted then on r.g.c.
00:04:39 #corewars:  * Roy 'll wait here... :P
00:04:39 #corewars: < Jeff_K> I will publish the result in the rgc, and on Fizmo's site..
00:04:44 #COREWARS: < steveg> Suits me.
00:04:54 #corewars: < LAchi> wow cool delayed results
00:05:22 #corewars: < Fizmo> yeah, I had also problems with mts in the past :-/
00:05:46 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Sorry, but i never do a IRCT without a Perl-script...
00:05:53 #corewars: < Jeff_K> never again
00:05:56 #corewars:  * Roy never had MTS problems...
00:06:17 #corewars: < Roy> Or just think easier rules :)
00:06:17 #corewars: < jakub> Jeff_K: Windows or Linux?
00:06:22 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Before This MTS run's fine for me
00:06:28 #corewars: < Jeff_K> jakub:Linux
00:06:36 #corewars: < jakub> download my scheduler
00:06:48 #corewars: < jakub> maybe it will work this time :-p
00:07:16 #corewars: < jakub> Jeff_K: http://www.gjh.sk/~0kozisek/prog/scheduler
00:07:18 #corewars: < grabek> http://www.astercity.net/~grabek/scanner.red
00:07:37 #corewars: < jakub> something like JAPH :)
00:08:06 #corewars: < Jeff_K> I got it..Thanx...tomorrow i try to use him...Thanx...so i must go...in 4 hour i must go to work. 
00:08:18 #corewars: < jakub> Jeff_K: send me the warriors
00:08:22 #corewars: < Roy> Hmmm, LG just gives us his password :P
00:08:28 #corewars: < Fizmo> grabek: cool with a double spl for the clear
00:08:54 #corewars: < grabek> :-P
00:09:26 #corewars: < Fizmo> nice work
00:09:28 #corewars: < grabek> no, Fizmo, check it again
00:09:44 #corewars: < Roy> Its booted, SPL isn't booted :)
00:10:03 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: nice song, btw! I'm now working hard on that 17th Century Chicken' Picking :-/
00:10:47 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, catched it
00:11:03 #corewars: < Fizmo> good luck jakub :)
00:11:23 #corewars: < jakub> tnx, I'm on 140bpm now ... but I'm practising it only 2 days
00:11:41 #corewars: < jakub> its very hard in slow-mo too :-/
00:12:12 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes, slow-mo is sometimes much more tricky than highspeed
00:12:44 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: 140bpm is slow-mo for this song :)
00:12:58 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: full speed is 220bpm
00:13:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, I think I must practise constantly, because I'm also working on a highspeed song at 180 bpm
00:13:24 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: name?
00:14:00 #corewars: < Fizmo> no name at the moment, because no lyrics prepared :)
00:14:22 #corewars: < jakub> wow, your own song! cool!
00:14:32 #corewars: < Jeff_K> ok..have to go
00:14:32 #corewars: < Roy> Gotta go now, bye people!
00:14:37 #corewars:  * Jeff_K waves
00:14:37 #corewars:  * jakub waves 
00:14:39 #corewars:  * Fizmo waves
00:14:39 #corewars: < jakub> bye
00:14:44 #corewars:  * LAchi waves.
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00:14:45 #COREWARS: < steveg> bye.
00:14:53 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: 16th at 180bpm?
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00:15:30 #corewars: < LAchi> mov.i LAchi, bed
00:15:34 #corewars: < grabek> lol
00:15:39 #corewars: < jakub> bye
00:15:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes :) But they aren't that precise at the moment. Especially if you're playing melody lines :-/
00:15:43 #corewars:  * grabek waves
00:15:48 #corewars:  * Fizmo waves
00:16:12 #corewars: < jakub> grabek: look into logs ... you will more examples of this type of poetry :)
00:16:14 #corewars: < LAchi> goodnight all, I really had a good time this night.
00:16:23 #corewars:  * jakub waves 
00:16:23 #corewars: < michal> bye lachi
00:16:26 #corewars: < jakub> by LAchi!
00:16:30 #corewars: < jakub> bye
00:16:32 #corewars: < jakub> cya next time
00:16:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye
00:16:48 #corewars: < LAchi> dat 0,0
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00:18:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> well, I think I will go to bed too. Tomorrow will be a busy day at work. I'll have some guests from swiss :-/
00:18:55 #corewars: < Mizcu> *yawn*
00:19:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye
00:19:08 #corewars: < grabek> bye
00:19:13 #corewars:  * grabek waves
00:19:14 #COREWARS:  * steveg needs to get ready to go to work. Bye all.
00:19:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye@all
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00:19:38 #corewars: < jakub> bye
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00:25:42 #corewars: < michal> bye all..
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00:33:02 #corewars: < jakub> I'm testing start1
00:33:39 #corewars: < jakub> :-/
00:34:00 #corewars: < jakub> my 1st entry will be last, me thinks :)
00:34:47 #corewars: < jakub> hey, I have 1st and last place in start1 round :-0
00:40:20 #corewars: < jakub> start2 - Fizmo is 1st
00:40:44 #corewars: < jakub> start3 - Fizmo again
00:42:45 #corewars: < jakub> start4 - Roy
00:45:07 #corewars: < jakub> start5 - izmo
00:47:20 #corewars: < jakub> start6 - Fizmo
00:50:47 #corewars: < jakub> start7 - Fizmo ... BOOOOORING ... :)
00:53:09 #corewars: < jakub> start8 - Fizmo
00:54:07 #corewars: < jakub> start9 - Fizmo ... I HATE HIM! ... :-p
00:54:40 #corewars: < jakub> start10 - Jakub ... thats better ...
01:00:13 #corewars: < jakub> start11 - Jakub
01:07:23 #corewars: < jakub> start12 - Jakub
01:07:38 #corewars: < jakub> start13 - Jakub
01:07:41 #corewars: < jakub> start14 - Jakub
01:08:06 #corewars: < Mizcu> reminds me of my round..
01:10:50 #corewars: < jakub> but my warrior is lame, it has something like 1% in start2-start9
01:10:58 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo will be 1st
01:16:45 #corewars: < jakub> start15 - Jakub
01:16:49 #corewars: < jakub> start16 - Jakub
01:16:53 #corewars: < jakub> start17 - Jakub
01:18:23 #corewars: < Mizcu> oh really?
01:19:40 #corewars: < jakub> yes
01:19:57 #corewars: < jakub> but its not enought
01:20:23 #corewars: < jakub> its paper so, when you start in the body, you will have only 1 process = dead
01:21:24 #corewars: < jakub> start18 - Jakub
01:21:28 #corewars: < Mizcu> i messed up with the numbers, so my warrior wont be any good
01:21:28 #corewars: < jakub> start19 - Jakub
01:21:44 #corewars: < jakub> ok, now I have to collect it together
01:34:26 #corewars: < jakub> I'm going to bed, but I'm putting the results (for each round) on my page
01:37:35 #corewars: < jakub> Mizcu: http://www.gjh.sk/~0kozisek/irct33
01:38:54 #corewars: < jakub> gotta go
01:38:56 #corewars: < jakub> bye
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--- Log opened Mon Feb 09 10:54:46 2004
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11:52:47 #corewars: < will_varf> hello Ro
11:52:52 #corewars: < will_varf> y
11:54:20 #corewars: < Roy> hi
12:02:58 #corewars: < will_varf> so did you play irct last night?
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12:15:42 #corewars: < Roy> Yeah, I was there
12:15:49 #corewars: < willvarfa> win?
12:15:54 #corewars: < Roy> But the results aren't done yet, and I didn't win I guess
12:16:02 #corewars: < Roy> Fizmo or Jakub won
12:16:05 #corewars: < Roy> (IMO)
12:16:06 #corewars: < willvarfa> oh? what was the rules?
12:16:26 #corewars: < Roy> Tiny rules BUT the warrior has to be able to start at all lines except one
12:16:47 #corewars: < Roy> They fight round-robin with all start1, then start2 etc etc
12:17:15 #corewars: < Roy> So you have 19 rounds, and if your warrior is 10 round you just lose 9 (so make then 19 lines)
12:17:24 #corewars: < Roy> one line could be nostart (ignored)
12:18:00 #corewars: < willvarfa> you get to pick that line?
12:25:05 #corewars: < Roy> brb
12:25:10 #corewars: < Roy> yes
12:25:38 #corewars: < willvarfa> what were the different strategies people used?
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12:50:47 #corewars: < Roy> I have no idea :)
12:51:08 #corewars: < Roy> I didn't look at the code yet, I know jakub made a oneshot (that suicides some starts)
12:51:28 #corewars: < Roy> And Fizmo a oneshot/bishot that suicides sometimes ... (??)
12:53:42 #corewars: < will_varf> and you sent..?
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13:08:56 #corewars: < Roy> I send two clears that work with all lines
13:10:56 #corewars: < willvarfa> did the clears start near your warrior?
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13:13:18 #corewars: < Roy> Uhm yes, at 10 etc, why?
13:13:30 #corewars: < Roy> I didn't expect much oneshots etc
13:13:43 #corewars: < Roy> Actualy I didn't expect more then a clear
13:13:57 #corewars: < Roy> I like jakubs idea, just scarifise a couple of starts
13:14:42 #corewars: < Roy> If I had time I would have made a small paper (4 liner, like JM's paper...uuhhmm...) then you only have 5 lines -1 nostart = 4 nonworking lines
13:14:46 #corewars: < willvarfa> I wondered if it would direct the oneshot to start near you, even if it found the cleared core; shows how little I grasp eh?
13:18:04 #corewars: < Roy> If it clears the same direction it doesn't matter :) my dclear is faster and will hit you before you/I hit myself again :)
13:18:56 #corewars: < willvarfa> well the scan is >1c?
13:25:30 #corewars: < Roy> +/-1c...dclear
13:36:57 #corewars:  * willvarfa *yawns*
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16:02:39 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi
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16:13:34 #corewars: < willvarfa> howdy folks
16:13:44 #corewars: < jk_log> hi
16:14:00 -!- You're now known as jakub
16:14:48 #corewars: < Mizcu> Will: how are the mutated places in species's warrior determined? Complete randomness?
16:15:04 #corewars: < willvarfa> well that depends, Mizcu
16:15:15 #corewars: < jakub> hi Mizcu
16:15:21 #corewars: < willvarfa> a warrior is divided into one or more 'chromosomes'
16:15:29 #corewars: < willvarfa> the mutation in any of these fragments of the warrior are settable
16:15:30 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo won, btw
16:16:00 #corewars: < willvarfa> you can set the prob of mutation in the opcode, modifier, addrmode_a, addrmode_b, operand_a or operand_b
16:16:08 #corewars: < willvarfa> ah cool, with a bishot?
16:16:08 #corewars: < jakub> but the scores are still not collected: http://www.gjh.sk/~0kozisek/irct33
16:17:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> will: since it would be more effective to mutate those metagene's that are run with greatest probability, or atleast during first X evolutions when warriors are stuck in the coreclear-phase.
16:17:32 #corewars: < jakub> but I don't want to collect it now, I have personal(?) problems
16:18:14 #corewars: < willvarfa> to change the mutation rate during a simulation, you have to hack a bit; stop the simulator, and then edit species.dat (_not_ species.ini)
16:18:35 #corewars:  * jakub hopes tat someone is listening :-/
16:18:37 #corewars: < willvarfa> jakub, looks from looking in a few directories that you won??
16:18:48 #corewars: < jakub> nope
16:19:33 #corewars: < jakub> if you compute the average score my warrior will get middle position
16:19:39 #corewars: < willvarfa> ah, right
16:19:52 #corewars: < willvarfa> so Mizcu, you evolving for rf16?
16:19:56 #corewars: < jakub> its suicides in some  rounds
16:20:18 #corewars: < jakub> because I had only 30 minutes compared to other players
16:20:42 #corewars: < jakub> now I can see, that adding one line will get me 1st place :-/
16:20:56 #corewars: < jakub> (I hope so, at least)
16:21:27 #corewars: < Mizcu> willw: rather, i'm starting to get emotionally attached on speaking about improving species..
16:22:18 #corewars: < jakub> and btw - its a paper :)
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16:34:39 #corewars: < will_varf> back
16:37:08 #corewars: < will_varf> lol Mizcu
16:37:32 #corewars: < Mizcu> maybe we just spend too much time here
16:37:44 #corewars: < will_varf> definitely!
16:38:41 #corewars: < will_varf> bbs
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16:54:06 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
16:54:10 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello bvowk
16:54:20 #corewars:  * willvarfa is watching a few species evolving nicely
16:55:59 #corewars: < bvowk> greets wil
16:56:09 #corewars:  * bvowk didn't see you pop in
16:56:51 #corewars: < bvowk> i might have some interesting stuff for -LP soon, my pool has decided to go a very different direction
16:59:25 #corewars: < willvarfa> what direction is that?
17:01:38 #corewars: < bvowk> I'm not sure just yet, but there are no survivors from the previous winners
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17:02:33 #corewars: < Mizcu> you are scaring us..
17:02:49 -!- You're now known as jk_log
17:02:53 #corewars: < jk_log> have to go for now
17:03:02 #corewars:  * will_varf waves to jk_log
17:03:42 #corewars: < bvowk> who's scaring who?
17:04:34 #corewars:  * bvowk scared himself this morning (who the hell is that old man in the mirror!)
17:04:52 #corewars: < will_varf> lol
17:05:00 #corewars: < Mizcu> Eve15 is '4 and its sisters/brothers found no chance to survive with the new_devil's appearing..
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17:05:53 #corewars: < bvowk> sorry miz
17:06:03 #corewars: < bvowk> it likely won't turn out to be *THAT* much better
17:06:12 #corewars: < bvowk> :)
17:06:16 #corewars: < bvowk> <-- cocky bastard.
17:06:26 #corewars: < will_varf> :-D
17:06:37 #corewars: < Mizcu> Fizmo will have again more "fun" taking the imporatant parts out of your evolved code
17:07:40 #corewars: < bvowk> heh :)
17:07:46 #corewars: < Mizcu> "no, that instruction was useful, that was also, whyThFu is that important" and so on
17:07:47 #corewars: < bvowk> he does really seem to enjoy it :)
17:10:47 #corewars: < bvowk> so what are you evolving wil?
17:11:04 #corewars: < will_varf> rf16
17:11:06 #corewars: < bvowk> whjats so exciting?
17:11:15 #corewars: < bvowk> (/me is talking over a very laggy link)
17:11:29 #corewars: < Mizcu> god-- fkin--  damm--   it--   
17:11:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> *sigh*
17:12:06 #corewars: < will_varf> ?
17:12:30 #corewars: < Mizcu> i forgot to change the amount of benchmark-warriors when i added anti-clear component when i tried evolving last time
17:13:13 #corewars: < Mizcu> well, its fixed now, time to see what kind of clears it gives this time (hee)
17:16:22 #corewars: < will_varf> lol
17:18:02 #corewars: < will_varf> Mizcu, are you compiling your own copy?
17:19:23 #corewars: < Mizcu> i dont have a compiler available, atleast currently
17:19:51 #corewars: < will_varf> pity
17:19:56 #corewars: < Mizcu> i know that newer version is available as source
17:20:07 #corewars: < will_varf> the best version is from CVS
17:20:20 #corewars: < will_varf> it has lots of subtle bug fixes that really improve results (sell sell)
17:20:34 #corewars: < Mizcu> WFT
17:21:03 #corewars: < bvowk> well wil, you know you need to compile miz a copy then huh? :)
17:21:09 #corewars: < will_varf> anyway, one way to prevent coreclears is to change the 'dummy warrior' at the top of reproduction.cpp
17:21:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> 25 seconds and i will explain ->
17:21:42 #corewars: < will_varf> (/me ought to have made that an option in the ini file arrrggghh (too much effort))
17:22:10 #corewars:  * bvowk should make an ini file instead of just changing the header andrecompiling
17:22:37 #corewars: < jaska> heh
17:22:46 #corewars: < jaska> typical :)
17:23:24 #corewars: < Mizcu> mov.i {0, <-57
17:23:24 #corewars: < Mizcu> mov.i -3330, -1856
17:23:30 #corewars: < Mizcu> sub.ab #7, -1
17:23:30 #corewars: < Mizcu> jmn.x -2, -3
17:24:05 #corewars: < will_varf> you want those four lines to be the test for newly created warriors to avoid clears?
17:24:07 #corewars: < bvowk>  /me needs new music
17:24:12 #corewars: < Mizcu> three minutes on and i already have a stone !?
17:24:27 #corewars: < bvowk> it took three minutes?!
17:24:34 #corewars: < bvowk> :)
17:24:48 #corewars: < bvowk> (what kinda crap code you writing over there wil?)
17:24:49 #corewars:  * bvowk ducks
17:25:13 #corewars: < Mizcu> bvowk: i've had species run 3 hours and had a spl/mov/djn-coreclear..
17:30:16 #corewars:  * bvowk just enjoys tormenting the competition a little :)
17:31:32 #corewars: < will_varf> Mizcu, I have just compiled a version that loads a file called runtest_dummy.rc which it will use to cull children
17:31:43 #corewars: < will_varf> so you get to edit the code you want to use for that purpose
17:31:49 #corewars: < will_varf> so, what is your email? win32 right?
17:32:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> (a) mbnet fi
17:35:53 #corewars: < will_varf> get it?
17:36:27 #corewars: < will_varf> (I haven't tested it, nor do I promise it is compatible with the species.ini you are using, but you can safely try because if it isn't, it will complain not corrupt)
17:36:38 #corewars: < Mizcu> i got the package
17:36:44 #corewars: < jaska> haha
17:36:55 #corewars: < jaska> masquerading emails because this gets logged?
17:36:57 #corewars: < will_varf> and put your runtest_dummy.rc file in the working directory of the simulation
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17:49:21 #corewars: < michal> hi
17:49:53 #corewars: < brx> hi michal 
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17:53:33 #corewars: < Mizcu> michal, CC
17:55:04 #corewars: < Corechild> Hi
17:55:21 -!- You're now known as jakub
17:55:23 #corewars: < jakub> hello
17:55:35 #corewars: < Corechild> made new evolver in asm!
17:55:51 #corewars: < jakub> cool!
17:56:02 #corewars: < jakub> I made chess program in Object Pascal :)
17:56:05 #corewars: < Corechild> machine is booked at 5 so can't stay
17:56:08 #corewars:  * Corechild waves
17:56:17 #corewars:  * jakub waves
17:56:20 #corewars: < jakub> :(
17:56:52 #corewars:  * willvarfa waves :-(
17:57:30 #corewars: < Corechild> Sorry.  Will be here tomorrow.
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17:57:44 #corewars: < willvarfa> teasing us like that!
17:58:14 #corewars: < willvarfa> Mizcu, does the new species work with your ini file?
17:59:04 #corewars: < Mizcu> havent tested yet, been watching what kind kind of stuff gets combined with the stone-chromosome
18:01:00 #corewars: < Mizcu> it learned to throw coloring bombs instead of generic address and seems to be having mainly dat's on "tail"
18:01:11 #corewars: < willvarfa> how long is it?
18:01:47 #corewars: < jakub> have to go again :-/
18:01:52 #corewars: < jakub> bbl
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18:02:00 #corewars:  * willvarfa *waves*
18:02:03 #corewars: < Mizcu> 20 instructions whole, three instruction stone loop
18:02:23 #corewars: < willvarfa> and what are you benchmarking against?
18:02:41 #corewars: < Mizcu> fiz + tinyclp
18:05:01 #corewars: < willvarfa> ah, for rf16?
18:05:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> i am not going to participate
18:06:35 #corewars: < willvarfa> why not?
18:06:36 #corewars: < brx> klol grabek 
18:07:36 #corewars: < Mizcu> will: i dont have patience for long projects
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18:30:05 #corewars:  * bvowk fehs.
18:30:14 #corewars: < bvowk> wow, this is really really laggy
18:31:47 #corewars: < will_varf> yeap, net seems slow to me today
18:32:33 #corewars: < bvowk> no, its on my end, I'm blowing (or attempting to blow) 60GB over the air
18:32:43 #corewars: < bvowk> wireless isn't very robust
18:38:30 #corewars: < jaska> what kind of wireless?
18:38:56 #corewars: < bvowk> 802.11b
18:39:30 #corewars: < jaska> heh.
18:39:39 #corewars:  * jaska grins.
18:40:05 #corewars: < will_varf> how long does 60GB take?
18:40:08 #corewars: < jaska> i deal with it for a living.
18:40:13 #corewars: < bvowk> I suppose I could shape the packets so it doesn't do that
18:40:46 #corewars: < jaska> the max thruput (half-duplex) is a bit over 5Mbit/s at '11Mbit/s'
18:40:57 #corewars: < jaska> 5.5Mbit/s maybe
18:41:04 #corewars: < bvowk> wil: a very very very long time :)  we're running at about 500KB/s
18:41:20 #corewars:  * jaska kicks ieee for mislabeling 802.11 with radio-level bandwidth
18:42:41 #corewars: < jaska> 'ieee' sounds like what someone jumping off a roof would yell.
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18:43:56 #corewars: < bvowk> I triple eeeeeeeeeee!
18:44:45 #corewars: < jaska> the thought of jumping has occured to me after reading the standard
18:51:40 #corewars:  * bvowk notes he can now see 11 access points from his couch
18:52:49 #corewars: < grabek> bvowk is a computer freak
18:53:31 #corewars: < bvowk> stop laughing computers are cool now :)
18:53:32 #corewars: < jaska> im sitting at the r&d floor at a wlan equipment company, i dont even want to know how much microwaves my head is getting.
18:54:02 #corewars: < bvowk> most of it doesn't penetrate your watery blobby ness :)
18:54:07 #corewars: < jaska> aye
18:54:19 #corewars: < bvowk> you are a very effective microwave absorber
18:54:27 #corewars: < jaska> anything with water is.
18:54:42 #corewars: < jaska> atleast for 2.4GHz range, water absorption point (thats why microwave ovens use it)
18:54:49 #corewars: < bvowk> which is why my wireless doesn't work very well downstairs when its jammed floor to ceiling with unter-grads
18:57:34 #corewars: < jaska> hmm
18:57:46 #corewars: < jaska> i wonder how's the absorption for 5GHz stuff
18:57:48 #corewars:  * jaska checks the chart
18:58:05 #corewars: < bvowk> the 5ghz stuff doesn't work well anytime :) (at least for me)
18:59:31 #corewars: < jaska> oh, we make ptp/mptp links with it
19:06:06 #corewars: < bvowk> so, I've been using the zaurus to scope wireless lans out to see if anybody is actually using IPSEC to secure their networks (because we've been offering ipsec software and setup)
19:06:39 #corewars: < bvowk> and I've only found 2 networks secured by IPSEC, and one is mine, and the other is Chris's (the other sysadmin pushing ipsec on capmpus)
19:07:32 #corewars: < bvowk> not a good number considering I've found about 800 unique macs as of this morning
19:08:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> ..like screaming for an act of terror..
19:08:17 #corewars: < bvowk> now granted, some of those could be using IPSEC inside wep, which I wouldn't see
19:08:27 #corewars: < bvowk> but virtually nobody is using wep either
19:08:39 #corewars: < jaska> wep itself is poo 
19:08:44 #corewars: < bvowk> yes it is
19:08:49 #corewars: < jaska> tkip/wpa whatever might be a bit better
19:08:59 #corewars: < bvowk> its only a slightly crunch candy coating
19:09:00 #corewars: < jaska> but in general i prefer end-to-end encryption
19:09:17 #corewars: < bvowk> AES-256 :)
19:09:33 #corewars: < jaska> yeah, aes is ok :)
19:09:57 #corewars: < bvowk> I use blowfish here and there too
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19:10:11 #corewars: < bvowk> but AES has the option of being hardware acceled
19:10:18 #corewars:  * Roy greets everybody
19:10:24 #corewars: < jaska> i prefer serpent over aes, but aes is good enough.
19:10:27 #corewars: < bvowk> heya roy
19:11:08 #corewars: < Roy> hi
19:11:50 #corewars: < bvowk> serpent isn't that much different
19:12:19 #corewars: < bvowk> I'm told AES lends itself better to hardware implementations
19:12:30 #corewars: < bvowk> which is likely why it was named AES
19:13:52 #corewars: < bvowk> lunch?
19:14:02 #corewars: < bvowk> wrong window :)
19:14:31 #corewars: < Roy> lunch? yes please :)
19:17:26 #corewars: < grabek> which is better: pute html or php or java?
19:17:30 #corewars:  * bvowk bets roy won' make it to my office in time :)
19:17:53 #corewars: < jk_log> php
19:17:58 #corewars: < jk_log> hello
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19:18:20 #corewars: < grabek> hm
19:18:22 #corewars:  * grabek thinks
19:18:36 #corewars: < grabek> http://phplayersmenu.sourceforge.net
19:18:56 #corewars: < grabek> Shall I use plain HTML for navigation?
19:20:37 #corewars: < jakub> re link: nice!
19:20:41 #corewars: < jakub> use php
19:23:21 #corewars: < grabek> hm
19:28:32 #corewars: < grabek> another question
19:29:15 #corewars: < grabek> there're 90 ninety issues of CW
19:29:20 #corewars: < grabek> more or less
19:29:32 #corewars: < grabek> what would be the easiest navigation?
19:37:31 #corewars: < grabek> don't shout all in one time
19:37:33 #corewars: < grabek> :-P
19:44:23 #corewars: < jakub> :-/
19:44:49 #corewars: < jakub> don't know
19:49:05 #corewars: < grabek> php is slow
19:49:13 #corewars: < grabek> i wonder whether i really need it
19:49:37 #corewars:  * grabek does not know know hot to make phplayermanu not to open new window when link is clicked
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20:23:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> joonas
20:23:32 #corewars: < joonas> hi mizcu
20:24:19 #corewars:  * joonas is catching up on the logs
20:24:22 #corewars: < joonas> been busy!
20:24:53 #corewars: < grabek> hi
20:24:59 #corewars: < joonas> hey grabek
20:25:04 #corewars: < grabek> hi joonas 
20:25:47 #corewars: < joonas> re: a searchable index of warriors, I think a flat text file with one line of info per warrior in a suitably formatted way would be enough.
20:26:07 #corewars: < joonas> you could then grep it with suitable regular expressions.
20:26:16 #corewars: < grabek> i don't have shell account, i think
20:32:29 #corewars: < jakub> hi joonas
20:32:38 #corewars: < joonas> hi jakub
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20:36:32 #corewars:  * bvowk rattles joonas
20:36:50 #corewars:  * joonas is rattled
20:37:04 #corewars:  * grabek wonders how rattled joonas looks like
20:38:34 #corewars: < joonas> still browsing the logs
20:39:33 #corewars: < joonas> so I was going to reply to the "Subroutines" thread last week.
20:39:41 #corewars: < joonas> very interesting topic.
20:40:18 #corewars: < joonas> his post reminded me of an old project I had once of a Forth -> redcode compiler.
20:40:34 #corewars: < joonas> so I dug it up, and polished the code some.
20:40:43 #corewars:  * grabek wonders whether pushing off redcode's limits is not the newbies domain
20:41:17 #corewars:  * bvowk wonders
20:41:22 #corewars: < joonas> only trouble is, the Forth run time takes way too much space so there's not much space left for actual apps.
20:41:23 #corewars: < bvowk> whatcha up to jonas?
20:41:29 #corewars: < joonas> but then it's not a "real" forth anyway.
20:41:30 #corewars: < bvowk> joonas even
20:41:56 #corewars: < joonas> idling about
20:41:58 #corewars: < joonas> and you?
20:42:25 #corewars: < bvowk> upgrading boxen
20:42:51 #corewars: < grabek> (whatever boxen is)
20:42:53 #corewars: < joonas> is there a one command to do it all in Free?
20:43:08 #corewars: < bvowk> pretty close
20:43:15 #corewars: < joonas> only I was wondering whether or not to take sal to the stable 5.2
20:43:33 #corewars: < bvowk> make buildworld ; make buildkernel ; make installworld ; make installkernel ; mergemaster -i
20:43:40 #corewars: < joonas> (but haven't been bothered enough to figure out how yet)
20:43:46 #corewars: < bvowk> (although && instead of ; is safer)
20:43:53 #corewars: < joonas> ooh.. /me copies that doen
20:43:56 #corewars: < joonas> or down
20:44:00 #corewars: < bvowk> there is no stable 5.2 yet
20:44:06 #corewars: < bvowk> its either current or release
20:44:17 #corewars: < bvowk> they'll branch stable ~ when 5.3 comes out
20:44:28 #corewars: < bvowk> 5.2R is pretty nice
20:44:36 #corewars: < bvowk> just make sure you read updating :)
20:44:43 #corewars: < joonas> oh, ok.
20:45:29 #corewars: < joonas> so hang on... is 5.2.1RC the release version?
20:45:34 #corewars: < bvowk> yup
20:45:40 #corewars: < bvowk> bugfixed 5.2R :)
20:45:49 #corewars: < joonas> ok. so that's the one I want then.
20:46:36 #corewars: < joonas> bbiab.  got to install editors
20:47:25 #corewars:  * bvowk wants his fx-51 for demo
20:47:35 #corewars: < bvowk> I wanna compare it to the p4 extreme
20:48:27 #corewars: < joonas> ?
20:48:31 #corewars: < joonas> fx-51?
20:48:42 #corewars: < bvowk> new est athlon 64
20:50:00 #corewars: < bvowk> a local computer company is sending me one to play with
20:50:34 #corewars: < bvowk> I just finished benchmarking a p4 extreme, (the one where they just stuffed an obscene amount of cache on it and tripled the price)
20:50:56 #corewars: < joonas> and how did it do?
20:51:05 #corewars: < bvowk> about the same as a stock P4
20:51:18 #corewars: < bvowk> it definately wasn't worth the extra money
20:51:38 #corewars: < joonas> hm. and now that you've played with the opterons... how do they do?
20:52:05 #corewars: < bvowk> great
20:52:15 #corewars: < joonas> (btw, turns out I won't be needing the opterons for the project I was working on. kinda sad. )
20:52:16 #corewars: < bvowk> I'll post my benchmarks here soon
20:52:20 #corewars: < bvowk> but they're pretty nice
20:52:30 #corewars: < joonas> ah, that'd be great.
20:52:31 #corewars: < bvowk> bang per dollar they're about the best right now
20:53:21 #corewars: < bvowk> although I had some issues with GCC mangling floating point on them until I upgraded to 3.3.3
20:53:26 #corewars: < joonas> wow. steve gunnel was on irc.
20:53:33 #corewars: < joonas> mangling?
20:53:54 #corewars: < bvowk> yes, I was NaN'erific
20:54:20 #corewars: < joonas> ouch.
20:55:55 #corewars: < bvowk> its good now
20:56:53 #corewars: < joonas> I have a vague memory about hearing that the opterons did strictly 64 bit floats.
20:57:09 #corewars: < joonas> in hardware.
20:57:21 #corewars: < joonas> something about not having the 80 bit internal representation, or something.
20:57:23 #corewars: < joonas> maybe.
20:57:40 #corewars:  * joonas shuts up
20:59:09 #corewars: < bvowk> I dunno, I haven't dug that far in
20:59:31 #corewars: < bvowk> i just found in the gcc list a post about oh, thats bad, upgrade and it goes away
20:59:35 #corewars: < bvowk> and it did :)
20:59:42 #corewars: < joonas> cool
21:00:00 #corewars: < bvowk> I'm working on mpi'ing my big number cruncher again
21:00:07 #corewars: < joonas> didn't mean that the 64bitness would be the cause of NaN's.
21:00:12 #corewars: < bvowk> now that I've got gige it works nice
21:00:36 #corewars: < bvowk> well, it might have been if gcc was expecting an 80 bit representation
21:01:01 #corewars: < joonas> oh, btw, if I have a 100MBit connection, is it unrealistic to expect, say,  80MBit throughput?
21:01:08 #corewars: < joonas> per second
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21:01:21 #corewars: < bvowk> depends on what esle is on the network
21:01:22 #corewars: < jk_log> have to go
21:01:22 #corewars:  * joonas picks bvowk's brain
21:01:25 #corewars: < jk_log> bye
21:01:29 #corewars: < joonas> bye.
21:01:41 #corewars: < bvowk> if its just you and you don't have too many switches to transverse, yeah, its not unrealistic
21:01:57 #corewars: < joonas> oh. damn.
21:02:31 #corewars: < joonas> prolly means I can't saturate a 100MBit connection then. :-(
21:02:45 #corewars: < bvowk> what are you trying to do?
21:03:27 #corewars: < joonas> rapid file transfer with on the fly compression format changing at the server side.
21:04:02 #corewars: < joonas> so I have some files/data on the server packed in an internal format that are converted to a web-suitable format per request.
21:04:17 #corewars: < joonas> per -> for the
21:04:48 #corewars: < bvowk> so you wanna know how fast you'd have to drive that to fill the 100mbit pipe?
21:05:04 #corewars: < joonas> yes, something like that.
21:05:12 #corewars: < joonas> I got 25 MBit/s in my tests.
21:05:20 #corewars: < joonas> with 70% cpu usage in the server process.
21:05:48 #corewars: < bvowk> what are you using for an OS and nic?
21:05:58 #corewars: < joonas> sigh
21:06:05 #corewars: < joonas> HatRed 9
21:06:12 #corewars: < joonas> not sure about the nic
21:06:18 #corewars: < bvowk> if you're using a nice intel nic you could likely coalesce your interrupts and get some better throughput
21:06:27 #corewars: < bvowk> it makes a big difference
21:06:36 #corewars: < bvowk> dedrat!
21:06:43 #corewars: < joonas> eh
21:06:48 #corewars: < joonas> heh, even. :)
21:08:14 #corewars: < bvowk> that way you eliminate a whole pile of context switches, and your little app doesn't get interrupted so frequently
21:08:33 #corewars: < joonas> 3Com 3c905 Boomerang 100baseTx
21:08:38 #corewars: < bvowk> eww!
21:08:51 #corewars: < joonas> oh.
21:08:52 #corewars:  * bvowk offers councelling.
21:09:16 #corewars: < joonas> I'm not sure it's using DMA
21:09:52 #corewars: < joonas> oh, it must be, musn't it?
21:10:00 #corewars: < bvowk> I'd expect so
21:10:17 #corewars: < bvowk> otherwise you'd be in a really sorry state
21:10:53 #corewars:  * bvowk is geting a 21" LCD (1600x1200!)
21:10:56 #corewars:  * bvowk cheers!
21:11:01 #corewars:  * joonas cheers
21:11:09 #corewars: < joonas> and is only very slightly green
21:11:20 #corewars: < bvowk> only slightly?
21:11:28 #corewars: < joonas> ok, maybe not so slithgly
21:11:33 #corewars: < joonas> sightly?
21:11:49 #corewars: < bvowk> ok, I was about to post the specs to complete the green conversion
21:12:21 #corewars: < joonas> so I expect you'll be using those nice Big fonts that sooth your eyes
21:12:27 #corewars: < joonas> lol
21:12:40 #corewars: < bvowk> heh..
21:12:52 #corewars: < bvowk> my currently small fonts will look big and crispy :)
21:13:10 #corewars: < bvowk> bbiab
21:13:17 #corewars:  * joonas also, bbiab
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21:23:44 #corewars: < grabek> hi michal 
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21:28:10 #corewars: < michal> hi
21:46:31 #corewars: < grabek> i've got a question
21:46:46 #corewars: < grabek> is there, somewhere in rec. usenet hierarchy
21:47:04 #corewars: < grabek> a newsgroup one can forward other people funny posts to?
21:48:01 #corewars: < joonas> rec.humor, rec.humor.funny, if they're original/new/etc.
21:48:10 #corewars: < grabek> nope
21:48:17 #corewars: < grabek> those are ngs with jokes
21:48:26 #corewars: < joonas> yes
21:48:28 #corewars: < grabek> i mean real funny posts
21:48:33 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
21:48:35 #corewars: < grabek> no
21:48:47 #corewars:  * joonas is confused (again)
21:48:55 #corewars: < grabek> like someone mistypes a word and gets a funny reply...
21:49:16 #corewars:  * grabek has found it
21:49:21 #corewars: < joonas> what is it?
21:49:33 #corewars: < grabek> alt.humor.best-of-usenet
21:49:54 #corewars: < joonas> ah. haven't followed it.
21:50:02 #corewars: < joonas> must have a look.
21:50:09 #corewars: < grabek> The newsgroup alt.humor.best-of-usenet is for the re-posting of original
21:50:11 #corewars: < grabek> Usenet articles from other newsgroups which the submitter believes to be
21:50:11 #corewars: < grabek> humorous, and representative of the best of Usenet humor.
21:50:22 #corewars: < joonas> thanks
21:50:29 #corewars: < joonas> bbl
21:50:55 #corewars:  * bvowk rattles joonas
21:51:48 #corewars:  * joonas owns up to lounging about
21:52:47 #corewars:  * bvowk just finished pulling his notebook apart
21:53:09 #corewars: < bvowk> its quite a chore.. but the IBM is so much better designed than my sony was
21:53:21 #corewars: < bvowk> but getting to the underside of the motherboard is a pain
21:53:26 #corewars: < bvowk> cause everything has to come out
21:53:58 #corewars: < joonas> there's a funny joke in there I can't be bothered to think of
21:55:01 #corewars: < grabek> in where?
22:00:39 #corewars: < bvowk> whatcha working on joonas?
22:01:22 #corewars: < joonas> reading about the SCO case
22:01:41 #corewars: < Mizcu> ooh, my gene-soup just learned a stepsize that is bigger than 12
22:01:42 #corewars: < bvowk> why?
22:01:50 #corewars: < bvowk> they're scary wrong :)
22:02:40 #corewars: < bvowk> and darls even come out and admitted its basicly a last ditch effort to avoid bankruptcy
22:03:07 #corewars: < joonas> oh. good?
22:03:17 #corewars: < joonas> just found out they named lines and filenames.
22:03:41 #corewars: < joonas> with specificity
22:03:53 #corewars: < joonas> only there are about 5 billion of them.
22:04:10 #corewars: < joonas> (but that might have been a joke by one of the posters)
22:04:19 #corewars: < joonas> ok, I catch on slowly.
22:04:32 #corewars: < joonas> :-}
22:13:40 #corewars: < joonas> hm. turns out it's not even possible to buy a linux license from SCO, even if you wanted to: http://lwn.net/Articles/47881/
22:16:37 #corewars: < bvowk> lol
22:19:10 #corewars: < joonas> downloading the pdf from the mirror at 150Kb/s half an hour after the mirror was posted even though its modded to 5... priceless
22:19:11 #corewars: < joonas> downloading the pdf from the mirror at 150Kb/s half an hour after the mirror was posted even though its modded to 5... priceless
22:19:30 #corewars: < joonas> dude, where the fuck do you get that bandwidth? hook a brother up with a shell and some webspace?
22:19:52 #corewars: < joonas> (someone posted a mirror to the SCO pdf on groklaw)
22:40:47 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
22:40:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> hehee, evolved stone that scores  61/36/6 against recon 2
22:52:07 -!- Mizcu [Mizcu@dsl-hkigw4m4a.dial.inet.fi] has quit []
23:20:19 #corewars: < grabek> Behemot uses a cool trick when booting
23:20:35 #corewars: < grabek> first, it generates four processes
23:21:17 #corewars: < grabek> then, one is used to copy spl 1 into the next executed line and procedes to the next line
23:21:25 #corewars: < grabek> remaining three are splitted
23:21:32 #corewars: < grabek> voila, 7 processes
23:47:59 #corewars:  * grabek waves
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