--- Log opened Sat Feb 07 00:00:30 2004
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08:25:51 #COREWARS: < steveg> Hi all.
08:29:31 #COREWARS: < steveg> Just checking this software is set up okay. I'll be off now. Chhers.
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11:53:26 #corewars: < grabek> hm
12:00:01 #corewars: < grabek> Mizcu: i need your advice
12:00:18 #corewars: < Mizcu> ..yes?
12:00:39 #corewars: < grabek> i want to create a warrior index, similar to Planar's
12:00:49 #corewars: < grabek> Planar's pages are static
12:00:57 #corewars: < grabek> i'd like mine to be dynamic
12:01:25 #corewars: < grabek> for example, a user wants to list all warriors sorted by author's name and type
12:01:49 #corewars: < grabek> he/she clicks on two checkboxes Sort by name, sort by type
12:01:52 #corewars: < grabek> and gets a display
12:01:55 #corewars: < grabek> now
12:01:58 #corewars: < grabek> the question is
12:02:20 #corewars: < grabek> since i do not have mysql access i have to store all date in one text file
12:02:26 #corewars: < grabek> (structured)
12:02:35 #corewars: < grabek> i'd like to use php for this purpose
12:02:38 #corewars: < grabek> is it possible?
12:03:39 #corewars: < Mizcu> i dont know a damn thing about php..
12:04:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> store all date or data?
12:04:09 #corewars: < grabek> data
12:04:28 #corewars: < grabek> ok, teh question about hierarchy then
12:04:33 #corewars: < grabek> s/teh/the/
12:04:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> since though warriors are usually <5Kb, that will be about 5 Megs in size
12:04:47 #corewars: < grabek> the hierarchy would go like this
12:05:21 #corewars: < grabek> author -> type/component -> name || date
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16:45:24 #corewars: < brx_> re
16:46:36 #corewars: < brx_> grabek: you can still structure the data
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16:56:54 #corewars: < grabek> you mean?
17:00:54 #corewars: < brx> well structure it so that searching is faster
17:01:50 #corewars: < brx> you could, for instance split the list into multiple parts according to the first letter..
17:02:04 #corewars: < grabek> i am still thinking of it
17:02:07 #corewars: < brx> if you had crossreferences
17:02:08 #corewars: < brx> hm
17:02:12 #corewars: < grabek> this is not of the top priority atm
17:02:26 #corewars: < grabek> for i had to buy domain first and add search button to my page
17:02:41 #corewars: < brx> ^^
17:02:58 #corewars: < grabek> first, i'd like to change domain and make my page searchable
17:03:14 #corewars: < grabek> then, i want to work at home on php script that would browse warrior archives
17:03:44 #corewars: < brx> mhm
17:03:45 #corewars: < grabek> (in meantime i will work on stone analysis)
17:04:11 #corewars: < brx> oh and i have written a pmars-sdl ebuild for my linux distro
17:04:31 #corewars: < grabek> eboild?
17:04:32 #corewars: < brx> i don't know if i should contact the authors and those gentoo devs
17:04:33 #corewars: < grabek> erm
17:04:34 #corewars: < grabek> ebuild
17:04:39 #corewars: < grabek> ?
17:04:50 #corewars: < brx> ah the packaging system of my linux distro ^^
17:04:53 #corewars: < brx> it's gentoo
17:05:05 #corewars: < brx> it compiles everything by hand
17:05:09 #corewars: < brx> uhm manually
17:05:10 #corewars: < brx> i meant
17:05:11 #corewars: < brx> ^^
17:05:12 #corewars: < brx> no
17:05:16 #corewars: < brx> actually automaticall
17:05:16 #corewars: < brx> y
17:05:17 #corewars: < grabek> ic
17:05:25 #corewars: < brx> but everything is compiled from source ^^
17:05:25 #corewars: < grabek> like rpm for redhat?
17:05:34 #corewars: < brx> nah, those are binaries mostly
17:05:50 #corewars: < grabek> ouch
17:05:59 #corewars: < brx> hum?
17:06:20 #corewars: < grabek> like you automized the process of writing ./configure && make && make install :-)
17:07:37 #corewars: < brx> more than that, portage automizes the process of fetching the most actual sources, unpacking and building them in a secure environment, installing them into an image directory adn then, if everything went fine, copying into /
17:08:15 #corewars: < grabek> i see
17:08:25 #corewars: < grabek> pretty useful :->
17:08:28 #corewars: < brx> and ebuilds
17:08:41 #corewars: < grabek> what about a new warrior, again?
17:08:55 #corewars: < brx> ebuilds describe the actions neccessary for portage
17:09:22 #corewars: < brx> aah warrior yes, soon, need to write some syntax highlighting script for my editor first ^^
17:09:48 #corewars: < grabek> ROTFL
17:09:59 #corewars: < grabek> yeah, that is *most* important thing
17:10:08 #corewars:  * grabek uses nano for writing his warriors, mainly
17:11:04 #corewars:  * grabek slaps forehead
17:11:05 #corewars: < brx> ^^
17:11:17 #corewars: < Mizcu> (Dos's edit + notepad is enough, with ugly program written in qbasic to ease replicator-optimizing. Highlight would only give me a headache.)
17:11:39 #corewars: < brx> oh not if the colorscheme is nice ^^
17:11:51 #corewars: < brx> i can't do without highlighting anymore,, :/
17:12:19 #corewars: < grabek> i forgot nano has syntax higlighting
17:12:24 #corewars: < brx> it does?
17:12:28 #corewars: < grabek> yeah
17:12:38 #corewars: < grabek> (if you compile the option in)
17:13:25 #corewars: < brx> i never liked nano much actually
17:13:33 #corewars: < brx> always drawn to vi/vim
17:13:44 #corewars: < brx> oh never liked pico either 
17:14:34 #corewars:  * grabek uses emacs clone for html/php scripting (and for redcode programming too!), so beware! :-)
17:16:15 #corewars: < brx> emacs.. ^^
17:16:21 #corewars: < grabek> jed, actually
17:16:37 #corewars: < grabek> emacs makes a computer slow
17:19:00 #corewars: < brx> http://www.jedsoft.org/images/jed1.png
17:19:12 #corewars: < brx> this one?
17:20:06 #corewars: < grabek> mhm
17:20:17 #corewars:  * grabek does not have grahpic display :-P
17:20:22 #corewars: < grabek> i remember the url, however
17:21:38 #corewars: < brx> http://cowbert.2y.net/~sirmoo/images/webarch/uconn2003/xinerama-gvim-200306130851.png
17:23:56 #corewars: < grabek> could you tinyurl it?
17:25:11 #corewars: < brx> tinyurl?
17:25:41 #corewars: < brx> oh wait
17:25:47 #corewars: < brx> you don'T have a graphical display
17:25:48 #corewars: < brx> ^^
17:26:40 #corewars: < grabek> i have to remember the url and retype it in mozilla
17:26:54 #corewars: < grabek> this is not possible unless you tinyurl it :-P
17:27:48 #corewars: < brx> actually i don't know what tinyurl means :)
17:29:35 #corewars: < grabek> tinyurl.com
17:29:37 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
17:29:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> redirect service that gives simple addresses
17:31:02 #corewars: < brx> ah okay
17:31:13 #corewars: < brx> thanks, this is useful
17:31:35 #corewars: < brx> http://tinyurl.com/2kyaj
17:32:19 #corewars: < grabek> is it gvim?
17:33:19 #corewars: < brx> yes
17:34:17 #corewars:  * grabek screams!
17:34:21 #corewars: < grabek> aaaa!
17:34:23 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
17:34:30 #corewars: < grabek> i've never managed to handle wim
17:34:33 #corewars: < brx> lol ? ^^
17:34:34 #corewars: < grabek> s/wim/vim/
17:34:48 #corewars: < brx> hum why not? because it's not modeless?
17:34:57 #corewars: < grabek> however, sometimes it seems that vi is the only editor installed
17:35:10 #corewars: < grabek> it seems weird to me, least to say
17:35:30 #corewars: < grabek> it does not integrate with mutt and slrn (or one of them, can't remember which one)
17:36:22 #corewars: < grabek> i know how to move the cursor around, how to modify file and so on, but i've never got to know it better
17:36:49 #corewars: < brx> hum
17:36:52 #corewars: < grabek> funny, i don't even have vim installed atm
17:36:52 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
17:37:19 #corewars: < grabek> grabek@purgatory:~/corewars/html$ vim index.html
17:37:20 #corewars: < grabek> bash: vim: command not found
17:37:27 #corewars: < brx> ^^
17:37:43 #corewars: < brx> i have nano though..
17:37:48 #corewars: < brx> it's the std with my distro
17:37:50 #corewars: < brx> yuck
17:39:01 #corewars: < grabek> lol
17:39:13 #corewars: < grabek> it is perfectly small and is enough to edit file
17:39:19 #corewars: < grabek> s/file/a file/
17:39:38 #corewars: < brx> sure sure ^^
17:39:52 #corewars: < brx> but it does not satisfy a programmer's needs ^^
17:40:24 #corewars: < grabek> yeah, nano is not for a programmer
17:42:10 #corewars: < grabek> http://www.astercity.net/~grabek/jed.png
17:44:21 #corewars: < brx> is that php?
17:44:33 #corewars: < brx> or perl
17:48:54 #corewars: < grabek> php
17:54:16 #corewars: < grabek> brb
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17:58:33 #corewars: < grabek> brb
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18:27:11 #corewars: < grabek> brx: could please check how my page now looks like?
18:30:58 #corewars: < brx> sure
18:31:33 #corewars: < brx> done
18:32:23 #corewars: < grabek> does it render properly?
18:35:36 #corewars: < brx> hm sure
18:35:41 #corewars: < grabek> ok
18:35:42 #corewars: < brx> what am i suppposed to see
18:35:47 #corewars: < grabek> nothing
18:35:51 #corewars: < grabek> i mean, my page
18:36:26 #corewars: < brx> ^^
18:36:27 #corewars: < grabek> isn't font too small?
18:36:29 #corewars: < brx> yes can see your page
18:36:42 #corewars: < brx> hmmm it is small but not too small for my liking..
18:37:19 #corewars: < grabek> 11pt
18:37:28 #corewars:  * brx nods
18:37:34 #corewars: < grabek> i am not sure what size is good for a webpage
18:37:44 #corewars:  * brx grins
18:38:14 #corewars: < brx> i think 11 is good
18:38:23 #corewars: < grabek> good
18:38:25 #corewars: < grabek> thanks
18:39:09 #corewars: < grabek> now it is time for adding a search button for my page
18:39:17 #corewars:  * grabek is off to do some programming
18:39:21 #corewars: < grabek> bb tomorrow
18:39:22 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
18:39:34 #corewars: < brx> kk
18:39:36 #corewars: < brx> ^^
18:39:54 #corewars: < brx> i am submitting the ebuild atm
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18:50:06 #corewars: < brx> hi michal 
18:51:42 #corewars: < grabek> do you know how to get a dotted line below a text in css?
18:52:35 #corewars: < michal> hi
18:52:48 #corewars: < michal> what have you done to me? :)
18:53:00 #corewars: < brx> michal: aah just checking ^^
18:53:41 #corewars: < brx> michal: ah gentoo
18:53:49 #corewars: < brx> i am about to submit the pmars-sdl ebuild
18:54:12 #corewars: < michal> seemd scary, apparently you made me switch join a channel
18:55:50 #corewars: < michal> what was that?
18:56:24 #corewars: < brx> i made you switch join a channel?
18:56:41 #corewars: < michal> I think so
18:56:57 #corewars: < michal> >>> brx [~brx@pD9EAAB68.dip.t-dialin.net] requested VERSION  from michal
18:56:57 #corewars: < michal> -:- michal [~michal@august.V-LO.krakow.pl] has joined #corewarshi
18:56:57 #corewars: < michal> -:- ServerMode/#corewarshi [+nt] by irc.koth.org
18:56:57 #corewars: < michal> -:- [Users(#corewarshi:1)]
18:57:27 #corewars: < michal> oh. maybe it was me :)
18:57:28 #corewars: < brx> corewarshi?
18:57:32 #corewars: < brx> ^^
18:57:37 #corewars: < michal> #corewars hi
18:57:39 #corewars: < michal> strange
18:57:40 #corewars: < brx> aj
18:57:51 #corewars: < brx> well i don't think i did anything ^^
18:58:04 #corewars: < brx> you are a gentoo user?
18:58:16 #corewars: < michal> yes
18:58:36 #corewars: < michal> but the server I'm ircing from isn't gentoo
18:59:22 #corewars: < brx> yes yes :)
18:59:31 #corewars: < brx> i looked it up in a log, no worries :)
18:59:38 #corewars: < brx> 20:52 < michal> actually, I use gentoo, too
19:00:25 #corewars: < michal> bitchx says:. /j #corewars hi
19:00:40 #corewars: < michal> so it was me, somehow
19:03:40 #corewars: < brx> hmmm can you do me a favour?
19:05:47 #corewars: < michal> sure
19:06:18 #corewars: < brx> test this ebuild on your system? ^^
19:06:43 #corewars: < michal> ok
19:08:08 #corewars: < michal> where is it?
19:08:09 #corewars: < brx> how can i send it to you.
19:08:12 #corewars: < brx> ah well
19:08:18 #corewars: < brx> i could put it on my ftp
19:08:33 #corewars: < michal> email?
19:08:37 #corewars: < brx> okay
19:08:40 #corewars: < brx> address?
19:08:52 #corewars: < michal> michal at v-lo krakow pl
19:09:20 #corewars: < brx> poland?
19:09:31 #corewars: < brx> ... do your keyboards have an @
19:09:49 #corewars: < michal> yes, and yes
19:10:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> everthing on this channel is logged, log + spambot = bad
19:10:03 #corewars: < brx> (just wondering since i have seen grabek type 'at' too) ^^
19:10:10 #corewars: < michal> :)
19:10:36 #corewars: < brx> ah
19:10:37 #corewars: < brx> interesting
19:11:28 #corewars: < brx> v-lo?
19:11:43 #corewars: < brx> oh well
19:11:54 #corewars: < michal> my old school
19:13:13 #corewars: < brx> okay sent
19:22:00 #corewars: < michal> brx:
19:22:10 #corewars: < michal> !!! aux_get(): ebuild for '/pmars-sdl-0.9.2e' does not exist at:
19:22:10 #corewars: < michal> !!!            /usr/portage//pmars-sdl/pmars-sdl-0.9.2e.ebuild
19:22:10 #corewars: < michal> doebuild(): aux_get() error; aborting.
19:22:24 #corewars: < michal> am I supposed to put it into portage tree?
19:22:37 #corewars: < brx> uhoh
19:22:43 #corewars: < brx> one moment
19:23:14 #corewars: < brx> actually, yes
19:23:31 #corewars: < brx> under games-simulation
19:23:47 #corewars: < brx> into pmars-sdl
19:38:36 #corewars: < michal> okay, sdl and x versions install nice
19:39:11 #corewars: < michal> I have two suggestions
19:39:42 #corewars: < michal> maybe you could also make installing ncursres and no-display versions available?
19:40:46 #corewars: < michal> and pmars-sdl uses environment variable to lacet it's macro files - maybe it would be possible to make use of that?
19:40:57 #corewars: < michal> lacet -> locate
19:44:54 #corewars: < michal> oh, and the description - 'Popular MARS' looks like expansion  of pmars acronym
19:49:37 #corewars: < michal> ..
19:51:21 #corewars: < michal> and it would be nice if you displayed other USE flags you can use [now emerge -pv shows only sdl]
19:52:20 #corewars: < michal> .. but on the other hand, it could be counfusing, since pmars doesn't allow multiple display targets at once [or does it?]
20:33:16 #corewars: < brx> re
20:33:27 #corewars: < brx> michal: it does?
20:33:36 #corewars: < brx> michal: yes will do
20:34:00 #corewars: < brx> michal: no it does not allow multiple display targets
20:34:10 #corewars: < brx> X and svgalib are fallbacks
20:39:30 #corewars: < brx> and the envvars.. i am not sure.. don't you think that's something a user should do? 
20:39:40 #corewars: < brx> lol okay
20:39:47 #corewars: < brx> i will check
20:46:02 #corewars: < brx> the nodisplay version is the server version right?
20:47:31 #corewars: < michal> yes
20:47:39 #corewars: < brx> with debugging disabled?
20:48:04 #corewars: < michal> .. I will check
20:48:18 #corewars: < brx> # No.   Name            Incompatible with   Description
20:48:18 #corewars: < brx> # (1)   -DSERVER        2                   disables cdb debugger (koth server 
20:48:21 #corewars: < brx> #                                           version)
20:48:28 #corewars: < brx> guess that would be a seperate version then
20:48:35 #corewars: < brx> seperate ebuild
20:49:57 #corewars: < michal> no, dserver disables debbugger
20:50:44 #corewars: < michal> version wit ho display is made automatically, if you don't specify one
20:50:58 #corewars: < brx> what about curses
20:52:02 #corewars: < michal> it uses curses to display the core using dots, dashes etc.
20:53:48 #corewars: < brx> how is it built ^^
20:54:25 #corewars: < michal> I'm thinking on it..
20:54:52 #corewars: < brx> i could take a look at the src files
20:55:48 #corewars: < michal> I'm not sure if I ever built ncurses version..
20:55:53 #corewars: < brx> got it
20:56:49 #corewars: < michal> so how it's build?
20:56:51 #corewars: < michal> t
20:57:58 #corewars: < brx> -DCURSESGRAPHX with LIB='-lcurses -ltermcap'
20:58:07 #corewars: < brx> not -ltermlib as in the makefile
20:59:22 #corewars: < brx> it's working
20:59:32 #corewars: < brx> thing is i don't know which versions are needed
20:59:44 #corewars: < brx> of ncurses and libtermcap-compat
20:59:56 #corewars: < brx> will make it a general thing
21:04:05 #corewars: < brx> trying text mode
21:04:39 #corewars: < brx> good
21:07:12 #corewars: < brx> michal: propose a new desc
21:07:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> Popular Redcode simulator   *duh*
21:09:05 #corewars: < brx> lol
21:09:31 #corewars: < brx> so basically it simulates an assembly-like language
21:09:55 #corewars: < brx> Mizcu: "*duh*" 
21:11:33 #corewars: < michal> popular implementation of core war?
21:11:34 #corewars: < brx> interestingly mars stands exactly for that.
21:12:05 #corewars: < michal> .. popular where, exactly :)
21:12:25 #corewars: < brx> hm michal ?
21:13:20 #corewars: < michal> I'm just wondering if popular is the right word
21:13:25 #corewars: < michal> never mind
21:13:36 #corewars: < brx> i could go with "standard"
21:17:47 #corewars: < michal> http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/contrib/libc6/ppc/pMars-0.8-1.ppc.html
21:20:10 #corewars: < michal> http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/423194/com/pmars-0.8-1.i386.rpm.html
21:24:01 #corewars: < brx> whatever.
21:25:58 #corewars: < michal> ..
21:26:15 #corewars: < michal> popular redcode interpreter for core war?
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