--- Log opened Wed Feb 04 00:00:30 2004
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06:16:54 #corewars: < bvowk_> hrm
06:18:46 #corewars: < pkhuong> ?
06:18:48 #corewars: < pkhuong> nite
06:18:53 #corewars: < pkhuong> ... leave a mesage :)
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11:52:53 #corewars: < jaska> *beep*
11:53:02 #corewars: < will_varf> hello jaska
11:53:07 #corewars: < jaska> lo will
11:53:17 #corewars: < jaska> been bouncing back and forth again :D
11:57:53 #corewars: < will_varf> every 30mins, regular as clockwork
11:58:12 #corewars: < jaska> odd.
12:01:45 #corewars: < will_varf> not at all; just plain annoying
12:02:25 #corewars: < jaska> why does it do it then?
12:02:58 #corewars: < will_varf> I have a 1hr dhcp lease
12:03:01 #corewars: < jaska> omg.
12:03:02 #corewars: < will_varf> so every 30mins it tries to renew
12:03:07 #corewars: < jaska> thats garbage.
12:03:28 #corewars: < jaska> isps that do that should be bombed.
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12:03:49 #corewars: < willvarfa> so it doesn't renew, hence I loose my lease every 30mins and I have to get a new ip address
12:03:50 #corewars: < willvarfa> there, just happened again grrrrhhhh
12:03:53 #corewars: < jaska> 13:02 <jaska> thats garbage.
12:03:55 #corewars: < jaska> 13:02 <jaska> isps that do that should be bombed.
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12:07:43 #corewars:  * willvarfa agrees
12:13:37 #corewars: < willvarfa> brb
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18:10:11 #corewars: < bvowk> joonas!
18:10:55 #corewars: < joonas> hey bvowk
18:11:16 #corewars: < joonas> how goes it at your end?
18:33:55 #corewars: < bvowk> not too bad
18:34:01 #corewars: < bvowk> whatcha up to?
18:35:13 #corewars: < joonas> reading slashdot
18:36:30 #corewars: < joonas> so looks like I won't be writing any software that goes up in a rocket very soon.
18:36:47 #corewars: < joonas> can't even make a koth server have uptime > 1mo. :(
18:37:07 #corewars: < bvowk> yeah, whats up with that?
18:37:12 #corewars: < bvowk> is it sal?
18:37:39 #corewars: < joonas> not sure.  the dmars server wasn't accepting connections anymore.
18:38:03 #corewars: < joonas> possibly something to do with it leaking memory and hogging up all of it over time.
18:38:59 #corewars: < joonas> eventually the dmars workers just gave up on it so there weren't any workers to do the work.
18:39:49 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
18:40:01 #corewars: < bvowk> you shouldn't be able to leak too much in perl
18:40:13 #corewars: < joonas> too many cyclic references the gc can't figure out.
18:40:13 #corewars: < bvowk> (it was in perl wasn't it?)
18:40:15 #corewars: < joonas> yes
18:41:53 #corewars: < joonas> anyway, to get it up and running again I just killed all the processes and restarted them without really knowing what was going on.
18:41:57 #corewars: < joonas> seemed to work.
18:44:10 #corewars: < joonas> so you got a zaurus now?
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18:44:59 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi
18:45:15 #corewars: < joonas> hi
18:45:27 #corewars: < Metcalf> Oh!
18:45:31 #corewars: < Metcalf> Greetings Joonas
18:45:44 #corewars: < Metcalf> Nice to bump into you
18:46:15 #corewars: < Metcalf> Anything new?
18:46:30 #corewars: < joonas> not much
18:46:46 #corewars: < Metcalf> Nice to see SoV survived it's temporary low
18:46:47 #corewars: < joonas> and there?
18:46:59 #corewars: < Metcalf> And also, that it is the oldest warrior ever!
18:47:06 #corewars: < Metcalf> Erm... nothing much
18:48:39 #corewars: < joonas> thanks for the text message on sunday.
18:48:54 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hmmm...
18:49:05 #corewars: < joonas> or was that the sunday before?
18:49:22 #corewars: < joonas> eh.. *a* sunday, anyway. :)
18:49:36 #corewars: < joonas> in the not too distant past.
18:49:40 #corewars: < joonas> ls
18:50:53 #corewars:  * Metcalf suddenly remembers!
18:51:19 #corewars: < Metcalf> IRC is slow here by the way.  (in case you wonder why I am slow to respond!)
18:51:47 #corewars: < Metcalf> Nothing comes through for ages, then suddenly lots all at once
18:51:52 #corewars: < jaska> bursty
18:52:45 #corewars: < Metcalf> Roy: ;strategy Simple oneshot, shots seem to do better then papers on tiny...
18:52:54 #corewars: < bvowk> joo: yeah, I'm zaurus'd up
18:53:15 #corewars: < bvowk> it reminds me of why I left linux tho
18:53:16 #corewars: < Metcalf> Roy: what's in first, second, fourth and sixth place? ;-)
18:55:16 #corewars: < joonas> back
18:56:45 #corewars: < joonas> bvowk: why was that?
18:57:21 #corewars: < bvowk> because there are an assload of releases, but they're all broken in different ways, none of the support all the apps I want to run properly
18:57:39 #corewars: < jaska> windows isnt good for anything but running putty and games tho
18:57:41 #corewars: < bvowk> and some packages break the zaurus
18:57:52 #corewars: < bvowk> and the UI is irritatingly unresponsive
18:57:54 #corewars: < joonas> hey, that's not too different from Free either, no?
18:58:04 #corewars: < joonas> the packages breaking stuff bit I mean.
18:58:28 #corewars: < bvowk> no, for the most part things work, and the packages never for example replace /bin/sh with a symlink to a dynamic copy of bash
18:58:29 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hey, Will's page is impressive
18:59:10 #corewars: < bvowk> but the stable isn't very stable, the unstable was the most stable but wouldn't run half the apps :/
18:59:17 #corewars:  * bvowk grumbles
19:00:10 #corewars: < bvowk> the palm emulators are too slow to really be useful tho :(
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19:00:39 #corewars: < bvowk> that was the thing I was most hoping would be good
19:01:17 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hmmm... too many of us inactive here :-(
19:01:32 #corewars: < Metcalf> Otherwise we could all quit, and one of us come back as op
19:01:48 #corewars:  * Metcalf misses /topic
19:02:25 #corewars:  * bvowk is inactive
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19:02:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
19:03:15 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi Christian.
19:03:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> just for some minutes here on IRC :-/
19:03:33 #corewars: < Metcalf> Pleased to bump into you.  You're always here later than me
19:03:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi John. Nice to catch you here :)
19:03:47 #corewars: < Metcalf> RF16 entry one is ready... just working on number 2
19:04:15 #corewars:  * bvowk rattles joonas
19:04:23 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am still working on first entry. I am not very pleased so far
19:04:24 #corewars: < Metcalf> I'm checking out everyone's CW site at the mo, making major improvements to mine.
19:04:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> cool
19:05:00 #corewars: < Fizmo> When you will get it online?
19:06:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, ATM I am working on mine just in small steps :-/
19:07:28 #corewars: < Metcalf> I intend to find a new host.
19:07:28 #corewars: < Metcalf> (and buy a nice domain name)
19:09:09 #corewars: < Fizmo> cool!!! You already have an idea for the domain-name
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19:12:52 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, I have to go :( I'll try to come tomorrow  a bit earlier
19:12:56 #corewars:  * Fizmo waves
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19:13:18 #corewars: < Metcalf> I'm back
19:13:47 #corewars: < Metcalf> Not sure about name... corewar.co.uk is available
19:14:43 #corewars: < Metcalf> or redcode.co.uk
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19:15:31 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi Will.
19:15:35 #corewars: < willvarfa> howdy folks, quite a crowd tonight :-)
19:16:19 #corewars: < Metcalf> Yes.  You've just missed Fizmo though
19:17:03 #corewars: < willvarfa> pity
19:17:31 #corewars: < Metcalf> Just reading your site Will.  Very nice.
19:17:39 #corewars: < willvarfa> thanks
19:18:30 #corewars: < willvarfa> any particular part of my site?
19:19:17 #corewars:  * willvarfa is just proud to having made the Brief History of Corewar page :-)
19:19:29 #corewars: < Metcalf> I'm browsing all of it, but I stopped to read the bit about Tycho Brahe
19:19:40 #corewars: < Metcalf> Ah, that page is out of date by 3 months!
19:20:03 #corewars: < willvarfa> well that was a bit rushed; for Kepler I just linked to a better bio; I ought to go link to a bio for Tycho too
19:20:04 #corewars: < Metcalf> And those bits I haven't read, I've saved to disk to read later
19:20:18 #corewars: < willvarfa> lol that is very kind
19:20:35 #corewars: < willvarfa> so John, how come I'm on the Brief History of Corewar, and you aren't????
19:21:06 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hmmm... have I done anything historic?
19:21:26 #corewars: < Metcalf> I'm not particularly including warriors in there you see...
19:21:31 #corewars: < willvarfa> species is hardly historic, having never made a hill-worthy-warrior
19:21:43 #corewars: < willvarfa> ccai by bvowk has more laurels
19:21:53 #corewars: < Metcalf> Yes, that will be included.
19:22:17 #corewars: < willvarfa> and fizzle by mr newton is another evolver (worth watching too, I bet)
19:22:18 #corewars: < Metcalf> Do you have a web page Bvowk
19:22:34 #corewars: < Metcalf> Fizzle is in there
19:22:44 #corewars: < Metcalf> (at least in my latest copy)
19:25:02 #corewars: < willvarfa> hmm, the ccai link on redcoder is dead; must update it, but forgotten the new page bvowk
19:25:47 #corewars: < willvarfa> so John, what have you been upto?
19:26:21 #corewars: < bvowk> www.evilempire.info
19:26:38 #corewars: < bvowk> www.evil-empire.info sorry
19:27:39 #corewars: < Metcalf> Corewar wise: added loads to my page.  Made it look more presentable, thought about getting a new host so I can put it all online!
19:27:58 #corewars: < Metcalf> Also, working on a scanner article.  Written two or three tiny warriors.
19:28:30 #corewars: < Metcalf> Other wise: not a lot.  Nice little pay rise, that's about all.
19:28:46 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello bvowk
19:29:15 #corewars: < willvarfa> you're dominating the tiny@sal recently
19:29:32 #corewars: < Metcalf> :-)
19:29:47 #corewars: < Metcalf> I'm trying to resist submitting until someone knocks a few off.
19:30:27 #corewars: < Metcalf> Tiny papers do really well.  I'm very happy with Digital Swarm.
19:31:34 #corewars: < joonas> back again
19:31:36 #corewars: < willvarfa> Will a table scanner article make it into the next issue?
19:31:45 #corewars: < Metcalf> Tiny Zooom...'s source is available to see http://tinyurl.com/32ynn
19:32:03 #corewars:  * joonas goes away for a bit again
19:32:54 #corewars: < Metcalf> I tested all 800 steps in the end...  Brute force is easy for tiny
19:33:25 #corewars: < willvarfa> yeah, but I was thinking that it was different enough to be an article too
19:34:15 #corewars: < willvarfa> hmm is tiny-zoom a table-scan?
19:34:37 #corewars: < Metcalf> No.  A Blur scan.
19:34:44 #corewars: < willvarfa> that is what I thought
19:34:45 #corewars: < Metcalf> With Zooom trick.
19:34:52 #corewars: < willvarfa> what is zooom's trick?
19:35:14 #corewars: < Metcalf> To only start carpeting when the scan has found something.
19:35:48 #corewars: < Metcalf> Blur = scan and clear in same loop.  Zoom = scan only in loop, until something is found, then add the clear to the loop
19:36:24 #corewars: < Metcalf> Zooom I mean, spelling my own warrior name wrong now!
19:37:23 #corewars: < Metcalf> Other warriors using this are : (in order of date) Zooom, Stalker, Enough is Enough, Shadow Seeker, Dark Energy, Cold as November Rain
19:38:23 #corewars: < Metcalf> Stalker by Kline, Dark Energy by FatalC/Fizmo, rest by me... (SS and CaNR are '88)
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19:40:01 #corewars: < joonas> hi
19:40:07 #corewars: < joonas> damn, missed Metcalf.
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19:40:59 #corewars: < joonas> hi.  thought I'd missed you.
19:41:16 #corewars: < Metcalf> Nope, back again for 10 mins, if the system lets me
19:41:40 #corewars: < joonas> just catching up on the backlog
19:42:06 #corewars: < joonas> where's the tiny history of corewar?
19:42:38 #corewars: < Metcalf> Tiny History... Now there's an idea. :-)
19:43:04 #corewars: < Metcalf> I just need to see what I can find out about the early history of the tiny hill on Pizza.
19:43:14 #corewars: < joonas> might be tough.
19:43:40 #corewars: < Metcalf> Yeah, old challenge results are hard to come by.
19:44:08 #corewars:  * Metcalf would welcome any anyone has for any hill.
19:44:34 #corewars: < joonas> what you could do is get a copy of planar's archive and/or tiny koen and run a new tiny hill with the same settings as pizza.
19:44:47 #corewars: < joonas> in chronological order of publishing date.
19:44:48 #corewars: < willvarfa> is tiny@sal the same as pizza?
19:45:07 #corewars: < Metcalf> (94nop prior to 12 Dec 2001, anything from Pizza, multi, 88, 94x big prior to April 2003)
19:45:29 #corewars: < joonas> wow, I've forgotten the url to pizza!
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19:46:08 #corewars: < joonas> pizza is the now defunct server that used to run '94, '94b, tiny and lp hills.
19:47:00 #corewars: < joonas> www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~pizza/koth
19:47:46 #corewars: < joonas> will: where's the brief history of corewar?
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19:48:20 #corewars: < Metcalf> Yes, only there were very few published tiny warriors.
19:49:05 #corewars: < joonas> oh... you meant John's Brief History!  doh
19:49:06 #corewars: < Metcalf> When I made the 2002 tiny benchmark, there were only 77, and that included about 20 of mine, and lots from the SS01 / RF01 round.
19:49:37 #corewars: < joonas> I wonder if pizza has email logs.
19:49:51 #corewars: < Metcalf> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/corewar/corewar/history/index.htm
19:49:51 #corewars: < Metcalf> Out of date, but working on it.  Also pretty untidy.
19:50:42 #corewars: < joonas> thanks.
19:51:21 #corewars: < Metcalf> If you think something should be included, please let me know.
19:52:09 #corewars: < joonas> maybe the fall of ICWS
19:52:40 #corewars: < Metcalf> I've tried emailing Thos without any reply :-(
19:52:49 #corewars: < joonas> or rather the announcement that ICWS's head would retire
19:52:57 #corewars: < joonas> can't remember when that was though.
19:53:19 #corewars: < Metcalf> I could email around to tsee if anyone has any warriors still
19:53:19 #corewars: < Metcalf> D.Moore is pretty methodical.  I'm sure he still has Waxer / Putty
19:53:33 #corewars: < joonas> what about the other guy who sent mail to r.g.c. or you saying that Pizza was being moved to another server.
19:53:38 #corewars: < joonas> Waxer is published, no
19:53:39 #corewars: < joonas> ?
19:54:17 #corewars: < joonas> IIRC it was in Ian's tiny round.
19:54:41 #corewars: < Metcalf> Unfortunately, it's time to go :-(
19:54:46 #corewars:  * Metcalf waves...
19:54:52 #corewars: < joonas> bye
19:55:18 #corewars: < joonas> nice chatting with you again.
19:55:31 #corewars: < Metcalf> No the same as the hill version, since .i and # were disallowed
19:55:38 #corewars: < joonas> good point.
19:55:49 #corewars: < Metcalf> I'll see what I can chase up/
19:55:52 #corewars:  * Metcalf waves
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19:56:04 #corewars: < joonas> I'm pretty sure that Waxer was put on the hill after the tournament round though.
19:56:34 #corewars: < joonas> guess I always assumed that it was the same version as in the tournament.
19:59:20 #corewars:  * will_varf waves too late
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20:19:19 #corewars: < joonas> hi Roy
20:19:21 #corewars: < Roy> Metcalf: MY tiny oneshot seems to do better then all the papers I worked on ;)
20:19:30 #corewars: < Roy> (leaving a message for the guy)
20:19:30 #corewars: < Roy> Hi!
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20:20:34 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello Roy
20:22:09 #corewars: < Roy> I have to go again, just leaving a message :)
20:22:16 #corewars: < joonas> ok. bye then.
20:22:26 #corewars: < joonas> will you be here sunday?
20:22:31 #corewars: < Roy> Going to watch all my team mates sweat while not playing myself (sigh)
20:22:34 #corewars: < Roy> Yeah, I
20:22:38 #corewars: < Roy>  hope so :)
20:22:41 #corewars:  * willvarfa waves
20:22:52 #corewars: < Roy> Nothing planned yet, hope it'll stay that way!
20:22:53 #corewars: < willvarfa> joonas, you going to be competing sunday too?
20:23:07 #corewars: < joonas> nah. just checking if Roy is or not. :)
20:23:12 #corewars:  * Roy waves
20:23:22 #corewars: < Roy> joonas: You should come, I won the last two ;)
20:23:42 #corewars: < joonas> ah, grats!
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20:25:58 #corewars:  * willvarfa has to go!
20:26:00 #corewars:  * willvarfa *WAVES*
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20:26:15 #corewars:  * joonas waves too late
20:28:09 #corewars:  * bvowk fehs
20:30:07 #corewars: < joonas> The Zaurus developer's site didn't look too promising.
20:30:27 #corewars: < joonas> it was basically under construction
20:30:31 #corewars: < joonas> with no content.
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20:30:38 #corewars: < jakub> hello
20:31:04 #corewars: < joonas> but this is a new thing, I guess, since google's cache tells me that sharp's going to start charging developers.
20:31:07 #corewars: < joonas> hi jakub
20:31:12 #corewars: < jakub> hi joonas
20:46:25 #corewars: < joonas> do you program in postscript?
20:51:45 #corewars: < joonas> see you later
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20:58:03 #corewars: < jakub> no,  don't
21:23:30 #corewars: < jakub> I going to bed
21:24:13 #corewars: < jakub> I was in Czech Republic all the day ... visiting universities and I'm very sleepy
21:24:17 #corewars: < jakub> bye
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21:32:20 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
21:32:32 #corewars: < Fizmo> hrmm, I think I am too late :-/
21:36:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, reading the log of today
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