--- Log opened Sun Feb 01 00:00:46 2004
00:17:54 #corewars: < grabek> Navigation in corewarrior session has been improved.
00:18:03 #corewars: < grabek> check it out by clicking on any cw issue
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00:28:49 #corewars: < whitepawn> hi
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00:33:15 #corewars: < grabek> hi/bye
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10:53:26 -!- You're now known as jakub
10:53:30 #corewars: < jakub> hi will
10:55:40 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello jakub
10:55:42 #corewars: < willvarfa> how goes things?
10:59:51 #corewars: < jakub> fine
11:00:05 #corewars: < jakub> I'm having a lot of fun these times
11:00:33 #corewars: < jakub> going out with friend, going skiing and so on
11:00:50 #corewars: < willvarfa> neat
11:01:06 #corewars: < jakub> but not good in programming area :-/
11:02:36 #corewars: < jakub> you?
11:03:38 #corewars: < willvarfa> ah too much work at the mo
11:03:48 #corewars: < willvarfa> spent the whole yesterday sleeping to catch up
11:04:07 #corewars: < willvarfa> and then a disaster of a soup for supper, yuck; never use cognac in a soup!
11:04:46 #corewars: < grabek> hi
11:04:46 #corewars: < jakub> :-/
11:04:54 #corewars: < jakub> hi Lukasz!
11:05:07 #corewars: < grabek> hi jakub 
11:05:18 #corewars: < jakub> willvarfa: cognac in a soup? uff, :-S
11:05:33 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello lukasz
11:05:36 #corewars: < grabek> what a waste!
11:05:37 #corewars: < grabek> hi willvarfa 
11:05:58 #corewars: < willvarfa> well 'essence of cognac' anyway; was in the recipe and everything
11:06:08 #corewars: < grabek> oh
11:06:22 #corewars: < grabek> I am not of that age when one drinks cognac
11:06:23 #corewars: < willvarfa> anyway, after that and the strange tuna salad she made friday, I promised I'd cook today
11:06:28 #corewars: < grabek> I think I have to grow up to this
11:06:37 #corewars: < jakub> brb (eating)
11:06:41 #corewars: < grabek> And to many other things: like wool sweaters and plain wool trousers
11:06:46 #corewars: < grabek> whisky, cognac
11:06:53 #corewars: < grabek> cigars
11:07:20 #corewars: < grabek> willvarfa: would be so kind a browse through my page and tell me whether it is rendered properly?
11:09:29 #corewars: < willvarfa> sure, /me goes looks while he pours himself another glass
11:09:40 #corewars: < grabek> of soup or of cognac? :-)
11:09:54 #corewars: < willvarfa> lol
11:09:56 #corewars: < willvarfa> reboot brb
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11:12:28 #corewars: < willvarfa> howdy again
11:12:43 #corewars: < willvarfa> lukasz, your page renders beautifully
11:14:18 #corewars: < grabek> thank you
11:14:50 #corewars: < grabek> At work, where I have rather big display,
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11:15:06 #corewars: < grabek> lines do not wrap properly. I'd rather stick to relative margins, however
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11:23:52 #corewars:  * will_varf is a big fan of <pre>
11:24:24 #corewars: < grabek> oh yes?
11:24:24 #corewars: < grabek> why is that?
11:24:35 #corewars: < grabek> Oh, I understand now
11:24:37 #corewars: < will_varf> thinking about wrapping and absolute control
11:24:38 #corewars: < grabek> yeah
11:24:43 #corewars: < grabek> get to that myself
11:24:44 #corewars: < will_varf> however, I don't see wrap problems on your page?
11:25:01 #corewars: < grabek> well, actually, I do *need* few those nowrap tags
11:25:11 #corewars: < grabek> In smileys and things
11:27:33 #corewars: < will_varf> ah see what you meant
11:27:39 #corewars: < will_varf> you have an eye for detail :-)
11:28:03 #corewars: < grabek> I've browsed through all those top 10 errors in www design pages
11:28:05 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
11:29:09 #corewars: < jakub> yummy
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12:06:34 #corewars: < Roy> Hello
12:06:46 #corewars: < Roy> jakub: Almost done with that palindrome thingy :)
12:07:45 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello Roy
12:07:49 #corewars:  * willvarfa must run in 5mins
12:07:59 #corewars: < Roy> Hi will....bye will :)
12:08:00 #corewars: < willvarfa> there is quite a crowd here this morning :-)
12:08:12 #corewars: < Roy> Are you in Mecca? :P
12:08:28 #corewars: < Roy> (crowd there too I see now on the news)
12:08:30 #corewars: < willvarfa> well my home network is _my_ mecca!
12:09:11 #corewars:  * Roy has to watch American Football the whole day, and then the superbowl :)
12:10:41 #corewars: < willvarfa> JM seems to be the master of small warriors @sal
12:12:15 #corewars: < jakub> hi Roy
12:12:51 #corewars: < Roy> hi
12:13:05 #corewars: < Roy> I only need one more function (to speed things up a bit)
12:13:09 #corewars: < jakub> Roy: how fast is your algorithm? pure bruteforce?
12:13:24 #corewars: < jakub> in what language?
12:13:29 #corewars: < Roy> It works by insertion (C)
12:13:52 #corewars: < jakub> ok, I will recode it in pascal
12:13:58 #corewars: < Roy> But the problem is that I made it recursive (as a test)
12:14:35 #corewars: < jakub> try it with max input (10 letters long string)
12:14:40 #corewars: < Roy> But now it starts with the biggest possible strings, 20 chars, and works its way back to originalsize+1
12:14:55 #corewars: < Roy> hmm, 19
12:15:07 #corewars: < Roy> 10 strings -> biggest palindrome=19
12:15:32 #corewars: < jakub> ok
12:15:46 #corewars: < jakub> are you checking at the beginning, if it already a palindrome?
12:15:59 #corewars: < Roy> Of course :)
12:16:13 #corewars: < Roy> The is_palin function is easy
12:16:18 #corewars: < jakub> cool :)
12:16:39 #corewars: < jakub> but I think, there is faster algorith
12:16:44 #corewars: < jakub> m
12:16:56 #corewars: < Roy> I work with the string in an array btw, don't know what kind of input you have, but I made is easy (forgot most of my C)
12:16:56 #corewars: < jakub> but this may be enough ... don't know
12:17:10 #corewars: < jakub> np
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12:17:14 #corewars: < Roy> Its now very slow, I'll complete it somewhere this week :)
12:18:06 #corewars: < Roy> int ispalin(int input[20])
12:18:07 #corewars: < Roy> {
12:18:07 #corewars: < Roy>         int i;
12:18:07 #corewars: < Roy>         int size=0;
12:18:07 #corewars: < Roy>         for(i=0;i<=20;i++)
12:18:07 #corewars: < Roy>                 if(input[i]>0)size++;
12:18:09 #corewars: < Roy>         for(i=0;i<=(size/2);i++)
12:18:11 #corewars: < Roy>         {
12:18:13 #corewars: < Roy>                 if(input[i]!=input[size-i-1]) return 0;
12:18:15 #corewars: < Roy>         }
12:18:17 #corewars: < Roy>         return 1;
12:18:19 #corewars: < Roy> }
12:19:25 #corewars: < Roy> Thats simple :)
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12:20:13 #corewars: < will_varf> jakub, I can see a way to find a good way to make a palindome from a sting, but it's greedy and I can't think that it proves it is the shortest
12:21:08 #corewars: < will_varf> oh well, must run!!
12:21:10 #corewars:  * will_varf *Waves*
12:21:14 #corewars: < will_varf> is there a contest tonight?
12:21:24 #corewars: < will_varf> (might be able to play, depends upon girl)
12:21:42 #corewars:  * Roy isn't home tonight (party!)
12:21:56 #corewars: < Roy> Can't continue the winning streak :(
12:21:59 #corewars: < will_varf> sonday night? yay to be a student :-D
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12:22:46 #corewars: < jakub> me is going to have a party too :)
12:22:51 #corewars: < jakub> handshake :)
12:23:07 #corewars: < Roy> Well, its a party/concert thingy
12:23:15 #corewars: < jakub> I'm going skiing now (in 2 hours)
12:23:19 #corewars: < Roy> with lots of beer :)
12:23:24 #corewars: < jakub> with some really hot chicks :-p
12:23:29 #corewars: < Roy> Skiing? cool....I'm jealous now
12:23:50 #corewars:  * Roy has its own really hot chick :)
12:24:03 #corewars: < jakub> you saw the photos with them L:)
12:24:13 #corewars: < jakub> Roy: congrats :-p
12:24:19 #corewars: < Roy> Ok, maybe I'm a bit jealous still :P
12:25:25 #corewars: < jakub> ;)
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12:28:09 #corewars: < grabek> shacks
12:28:14 #corewars: < grabek> damn isp
12:28:18 #corewars: < Roy> hi lukasz
12:28:22 #corewars: < jakub> hi 
12:28:39 #corewars: < grabek> hi
12:31:09 #corewars: < grabek> why does ls -R *.html won't work?
12:32:11 #corewars: < jakub> maybe you don't have there any .html files :)
12:32:54 #corewars: < grabek> :-P
12:33:06 #corewars: < jakub> try ls -R .html .
12:33:11 #corewars: < Roy> Works fine here...
12:33:14 #corewars: < jakub> *.html, sorry
12:33:28 #corewars: < jakub> don't forget that "."
12:33:28 #corewars: < Roy> (but thats on a sunOS 5.7
12:34:55 #corewars: < jakub> grabek: working?
12:35:52 #corewars: < grabek> wait
12:36:26 #corewars: < grabek> I don't see difference between ls -R and the command you provided
12:36:27 #corewars: < grabek> now
12:36:32 #corewars: < grabek> How to list files with full path?
12:36:43 #corewars: < grabek> like /home/grabek/corewars/html/index.html
12:37:10 #corewars: < Roy> ah...
12:37:17 #corewars: < jakub> moment
12:39:06 #corewars: < grabek> #!/bin/bash
12:39:07 #corewars: < grabek> for i in $( ls -R | grep html); do
12:39:07 #corewars: < grabek>   echo item: $i
12:39:07 #corewars: < grabek>   tidy -m $i
12:39:07 #corewars: < grabek> done
12:39:25 #corewars: < grabek> for I don't have full paths included this script does not work correctly
12:40:02 #corewars: < grabek> oh skip it
12:40:10 #corewars: < grabek> this is not *that* crucial
12:40:14 #corewars: < jakub> find /home/grabek/corewars/html -name '*.html' -exec echo {} \;
12:40:21 #corewars: < jakub> :)
12:41:07 #corewars: < grabek> ouch
12:41:09 #corewars: < grabek> yeah
12:41:17 #corewars: < grabek> thanks
12:41:20 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
12:41:26 #corewars: < grabek> Page is updated a bit
12:41:32 #corewars: < grabek> check out corewarriors section
12:41:37 #corewars: < grabek> not much but I like it
12:47:02 #corewars: < jakub> very nice!
12:47:11 #corewars: < jakub> btw: I like the font very much
12:47:26 #corewars: < grabek> lol
12:47:28 #corewars: < jakub> its so hackish :)
12:47:35 #corewars: < grabek> it is monospace font you have installed on your machine ;-)
12:47:40 #corewars: < grabek> courier, usually
12:47:55 #corewars: < grabek> http://www.astercity.net/~grabek/style.css
12:53:01 #corewars: < grabek> Have you noticed Roeland's post on rgcw?
12:53:50 #corewars:  * jakub is going to check it
12:53:59 #corewars: < Roy> Roeland..? is it on google yet?
12:54:36 #corewars: < jakub> whats the subject?
12:56:19 #corewars: < grabek> it is not on google
12:56:36 #corewars: < grabek> erm, a guy from Netherlands wants to introduce CW to a young publicy
12:56:39 #corewars: < Roy> Then I'll have to wait :) Roeland sounds dutch
12:56:53 #corewars: < Roy> It IS dutch :)
12:56:57 #corewars: < Roy> What is his email adres?
12:58:11 #corewars: < jakub> I was introducing cw to my school :)
12:58:35 #corewars: < jakub> but it was just about basic principles and history
12:58:39 #corewars: < grabek> I can't see his email atm
12:58:53 #corewars: < grabek> I am sctipting an answer to his post
12:58:55 #corewars: < Roy> Ah, then I'll have to wait
13:00:30 #corewars: < jakub> C&P his post here, if its not too long
13:00:46 #corewars: < grabek> in a minute
13:03:43 #corewars: < grabek> ok
13:03:47 #corewars: < grabek> I am pasting it
13:03:59 #corewars:  * Roy ducks
13:04:08 #corewars: < grabek> From roeland@linux-box.nl Sun Feb  1 13:17:40 2004
13:04:09 #corewars: < grabek> From: Roeland Kok <roeland@linux-box.nl>
13:04:10 #corewars: < grabek> Subject: Social Corewars
13:04:10 #corewars: < grabek> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 12:45:47 +0100
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13:04:46 #corewars: < grabek> Xref: news.onet.pl rec.games.corewar:15155
13:04:47 #corewars: < grabek> Hello group,
13:04:48 #corewars: < grabek> I'm the leader of a computer workgroup (PCW) for Dutch youth in the age of
13:04:51 #corewars: < grabek> 12 to 18 years. We're Linux/OSS minded. Our visitors can do many kinds of
13:04:54 #corewars: < grabek> things, like programming (Perl, Python, Java), learning how to use
13:04:56 #corewars: < grabek> Linux/BSD, creating websites (XHTML, CSS, PHP), setting up networks and
13:04:59 #corewars: < grabek> servers etc. Three days a week, ten to twenty visitors attend our
13:05:01 #corewars: < grabek> workgroup.
13:05:04 #corewars: < grabek> I'm in the process of introducing something new to the workgroup,
13:05:07 #corewars: < grabek> something I wanted to introduce for the past two years. Right now I'm
13:05:09 #corewars: < grabek> learning myself to program RedCode and I want to teach it to our visitors,
13:05:12 #corewars: < grabek> with the ultimate goal of arranging social competitions. Not online, but
13:05:14 #corewars: < grabek> with everybody in the same room, behind their serial dumb terminals, set
13:05:16 #corewars: < grabek> in ambient lighting. I think Corewars is a great game to get people
13:05:19 #corewars: < grabek> excited about programming.
13:05:22 #corewars: < grabek> To give you an idea about the computer room in which I'd like to arrange
13:05:24 #corewars: < grabek> the wars for our visitors, click the following link:
13:05:27 #corewars: < grabek> http://www.linux-box.nl/~roeland/foto/pcw/19-12-2003/
13:05:29 #corewars: < grabek> I'm writing to this newsgroup, because I'd like to have some input from
13:05:32 #corewars: < grabek> experienced Corewar fans about how I could make this project a success. Do
13:05:34 #corewars: < grabek> you think Corewar has an educational value? Are there any resources
13:05:37 #corewars: < grabek> available, or success stories about Corewar in educational environments?
13:05:39 #corewars: < grabek> Are there any 'real life' tournaments or activities held these days? If
13:05:42 #corewars: < grabek> so, are there reports available online?
13:05:44 #corewars: < grabek> Is there ncurses software available for Linux which visualizes the battle
13:05:47 #corewars: < grabek> while progressing, just like pMars for DOS and the GTK+ frontend
13:05:49 #corewars: < grabek> available from corewars.sf.net, but then just for console?
13:05:52 #corewars: < grabek> Thanks for your time :).
13:05:54 #corewars: < grabek> -Roeland
13:05:56 #corewars: < Roy> Cool, maybe I can help them and visit that group :)
13:05:57 #corewars: < grabek> =======================================================
13:05:59 #corewars: < grabek> brb
13:06:02 #corewars: < grabek> dinner
13:06:05 #corewars: < grabek> I posted an answer
13:06:44 #corewars: < jakub> cool!
13:06:51 #corewars: < jakub> Roy: join them :)
13:13:32 #corewars: < grabek> if you do, provide us with few pictures!
13:13:52 #corewars: < Roy> I just mailed him a big email with lots of cheers :)
13:14:06 #corewars: < grabek> lol
13:14:09 #corewars: < grabek> he'll be delighted
13:14:12 #corewars: < Roy> I even proposed to give a workshop or something
13:14:44 #corewars: < Roy> "Corewar is a great way to teach people the basics of assembly programming"
13:15:28 #corewars: < grabek> From grabek@purgatory.abyss Sun Feb  1 13:29:16 2004
13:15:29 #corewars: < grabek> From: Lukasz Grabun <grabek@purgatory.abyss>
13:15:29 #corewars: < grabek> Subject: Re: Social Corewars
13:15:29 #corewars: < grabek> Date: 1 Feb 2004 12:03:23 GMT
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13:16:04 #corewars: < grabek> Xref: news.onet.pl rec.games.corewar:15156
13:16:07 #corewars: < grabek> On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 12:45:47 +0100, Roeland Kok wrote:
13:16:10 #corewars: < grabek>   Hello there!
13:16:14 #corewars: < grabek>   [..snip introductionary part..]
13:16:15 #corewars: < grabek>   A really nice idea, Roeland, such a group.
13:16:17 #corewars: < grabek> > I'm in the process of introducing something new to the workgroup,
13:16:19 #corewars: < grabek> > something I wanted to introduce for the past two years. Right now I'm
13:16:22 #corewars: < grabek> > learning myself to program RedCode and I want to teach it to our
13:16:25 #corewars: < grabek> > visitors, with the ultimate goal of arranging social competitions.
13:16:27 #corewars: < grabek> > Not online, but with everybody in the same room, behind their serial
13:16:30 #corewars: < grabek> > dumb terminals, set in ambient lighting. I think Corewars is a great
13:16:32 #corewars: < grabek> > game to get people excited about programming.
13:16:37 #corewars: < grabek>   RedCode is a simple, very limited assembly-like language. It was
13:16:37 #corewars: < grabek> created for corewar exclusively thus an attempt to program anything
13:16:40 #corewars: < grabek> that is slightly different to corewar warriors is a tough task, least
13:16:42 #corewars: < grabek> to say. This is main point; however, this point is derived from the
13:16:45 #corewars: < grabek> basic principle of corewar - it is very easy to learn the language,
13:16:47 #corewars: < grabek> even catch on the idea itself but it is hard to master. It takes weeks
13:16:50 #corewars: < grabek> (or months even) to program something competetive. Unless your
13:16:52 #corewars: < grabek> participants are enthusiasts and are really willing to learn redcode,
13:16:55 #corewars: < grabek> I'd rather not introduce it to them.
13:16:58 #corewars: < grabek>   However, once you get into it, it is very exciting - even
13:17:00 #corewars: < grabek> analysising someone's code can be a bit of exciment.
13:17:03 #corewars: < grabek>   Also, it is possible to program sorting programs, constant
13:17:05 #corewars: < grabek> optimizers; there was a competition in which everyone had to program a
13:17:08 #corewars: < grabek> piece of code that would derivative a simple function. Well, it is a
13:17:10 #corewars: < grabek> fun.
13:17:13 #corewars: < grabek> > To give you an idea about the computer room in which I'd like to arrange
13:17:15 #corewars: < grabek> > the wars for our visitors, click the following link:
13:17:19 #corewars: < grabek> > http://www.linux-box.nl/~roeland/foto/pcw/19-12-2003/
13:17:20 #corewars: < grabek>   Ha, very stylish and hackish, no? ;-)
13:17:23 #corewars: < grabek> > I'm writing to this newsgroup, because I'd like to have some input from
13:17:26 #corewars: < grabek> > experienced Corewar fans about how I could make this project a success. Do
13:17:28 #corewars: < grabek> > you think Corewar has an educational value? Are there any resources
13:17:31 #corewars: < grabek> > available, or success stories about Corewar in educational environments?
13:17:33 #corewars: < grabek>   Does Corewar has an educational value? I bet it does! It does not
13:17:36 #corewars: < grabek> only develop one's creativity but also is connected to math and
13:17:39 #corewars: < grabek> artificial life and genetic algorithms as well. In these days it is
13:17:41 #corewars: < grabek> hard to find a guy who optimizes his code to gain two bytes and few
13:17:44 #corewars: < grabek> cycles of CPU but this *is* a case in Corewar.
13:17:46 #corewars: < grabek> > Are there any 'real life' tournaments or activities held these days? If
13:17:49 #corewars: < grabek> > so, are there reports available online?
13:17:51 #corewars: < grabek>   Yeah, we have tournaments; check out a http://www.corewar.info URL.
13:17:54 #corewars: < grabek> It is one of frequent participant's page - he holds useful information
13:17:56 #corewars: < grabek> about tournaments. Also, an on-going competiotion is held and is
13:17:59 #corewars: < grabek> called hill :-) Hills are ... erm, places where one can submit his/her
13:18:01 #corewars: < grabek> warrior and check how it performs. Hills can be found on
13:18:04 #corewars: < grabek> http://www.koth.org and http://sal.math.ualberta.ca (other hills are
13:18:06 #corewars: < grabek> reachable from my links page
13:18:09 #corewars: < grabek> http://www.astercity.net/~grabek/links.html).
13:18:11 #corewars: < grabek> > Is there ncurses software available for Linux which visualizes the battle
13:18:14 #corewars: < grabek> > while progressing, just like pMars for DOS and the GTK+ frontend
13:18:16 #corewars: < grabek> > available from corewars.sf.net, but then just for console?
13:18:19 #corewars: < grabek>   There is *very* nice SDL pmars port, made by Pihlaja. I don't
13:18:22 #corewars: < grabek> remember exact link; URL is given in the section of my page I provided
13:18:24 #corewars: < grabek> above.
13:18:27 #corewars: < grabek>   
13:18:29 #corewars: < grabek> > Thanks for your time :).
13:18:32 #corewars: < grabek>   Not at all. It is always nice to see new faces.
13:18:37 #corewars: < grabek>   
13:18:37 #corewars: < grabek> -- 
13:18:40 #corewars: < grabek> Lukasz Grabun (My CW page: http://www.astercity.net/~grabek)
13:18:41 #corewars: < Roy> Shit, forgot to tell him about the aniversary meeting!
13:18:42 #corewars: < grabek> (reply-to field is fake, use grabek (at) acn dot waw dot pl to reply)
13:18:45 #corewars: < grabek> my reply
13:19:19 #corewars: < jakub> very good jb, lukasz
13:19:21 #corewars: < jakub> jb = job
13:19:32 #corewars: < jakub> you should get community prize :)
13:19:36 #corewars: < grabek> oh, there's time and I don't think he'll be interested anyway; you may give a try, however
13:19:40 #corewars: < grabek> thanks jakub 
13:19:48 #corewars: < Roy> His biggest aim is the social/educational aspect, so we have to make him instested in that front, you did that great :)
13:20:17 #corewars: < jakub> http://www.linux-box.nl/~roeland/foto/pcw/19-12-2003/dualhackterm1.jpg
13:20:22 #corewars: < jakub> wow
13:20:23 #corewars: < Roy> instested....U can't type
13:20:26 #corewars: < jakub> looks nice
13:20:30 #corewars: < Roy> U=I
13:20:35 #corewars: < grabek> I can't type?
13:20:38 #corewars: < jakub> :)
13:21:03 #corewars: < Roy> Looks like two computers with matrix-like screensavers...
13:22:03 #corewars: < grabek> ok, time to start another section of my page
13:22:07 #corewars: < grabek> (got to in mind)
13:22:11 #corewars: < grabek> s/to/two/
13:22:24 #corewars: < Roy> which ones?
13:22:38 #corewars: < grabek> First, since I have all Planar's archive I may add a newbies sections with tutorials
13:22:45 #corewars: < grabek> This will be *redundant*
13:22:50 #corewars: < jakub> cool
13:22:59 #corewars: < grabek> The other idea is to script a stone analysis section
13:23:11 #corewars: < grabek> Like in Morrell's book but covering newer stones
13:23:29 #corewars: < grabek> Alternatively I may provide a throughout analysis of my warriors
13:23:31 #corewars: < jakub> stone analysis section? something like the Fizmo's paper article?
13:23:46 #corewars: < grabek> Yeah, not *that* detailed, but who knows
13:23:56 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, its about time someone starts to make add-ons to the old tutorials, they are very limited, when I started I had to learn about everything from IRC and analisys of other warriors
13:24:05 #corewars: < jakub> maybe he will add it to his encyklopedia too
13:25:12 #corewars:  * jakub got mail from Roleand :)
13:25:18 #corewars: < jakub> right now
13:25:22 #corewars: < grabek> wow
13:26:16 #corewars: < jakub> why "wow"?
13:26:39 #corewars: < Roy> You got email from roeland? :( why not me :(
13:26:42 #corewars: < jakub> that wow is "wow, its so slow?" or "wow, you got mail from Roleand?!?"? :)
13:26:44 #corewars: < grabek> It is always nice to get an email, no?
13:26:49 #corewars: < grabek> the latter
13:26:50 #corewars: < jakub> yep :-p
13:27:21 #corewars: < Roy> What did you mail him? :)
13:27:26 #corewars: < jakub> but the best mails are from girls :)
13:27:40 #corewars: < jakub> nothing, its from r.g.c :-p
13:27:49 #corewars: < Roy> *sigh*
13:28:23 #corewars:  * jakub likes NL, because of Blender :)
13:28:29 #corewars: < jakub> Roy: do you know Blender?
13:28:42 #corewars: < grabek> lol
13:29:42 #corewars: < Roy> Uhm...no..?
13:29:48 #corewars: < Roy> Blender...sounds familair
13:29:58 #corewars: < jakub> www.blender3d.org
13:30:07 #corewars: < jakub> www.blender.org (for developers)
13:30:17 #corewars: < jakub> www.elysiun.com (forums)
13:32:15 #corewars: < Roy> Form Amsterdam..
13:32:16 #corewars: < Roy> From
13:32:18 #corewars: < Roy> ASrgh!
13:32:53 #corewars: < jakub> ?
13:33:15 #corewars: < jakub> http://www.elysiun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19899 - nice modeling
13:36:06 #corewars: < jakub> http://www.elysiun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19212 - this one is cool!
13:36:50 #corewars: < Roy> I only know this Blender...
13:36:52 #corewars: < Roy> http://www.coronaproductions.com/tp/pics/futurama1_dvd_2.jpg
13:37:25 #corewars: < grabek> hm
13:37:33 #corewars: < grabek> does anyone knows how to solve this one
13:38:02 #corewars: < grabek> reading message grabek@pop3.aster.pl:1 of 1 (3064 bajtów ) fetchmail: b³±d SMTP: 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address elhadda@alakhawayn.ma does not resolve
13:38:08 #corewars: < grabek> .... not flushed
13:38:27 #corewars: < grabek> I want such emails to be force deleted
13:39:20 #corewars: < Roy> Bah, my scanner isn't getting better :( stupid airbag scanner...
13:39:29 #corewars: < Roy> I have no idea grabek
13:40:22 #corewars: < jakub> no idea here too :(
13:42:00 #corewars: < jakub> Roy: have you checked the links (last two)?
13:42:10 #corewars: < jakub> the last one is really amazing work!
13:42:31 #corewars: < Roy> The first was pretty neat, not looking at the latter one
13:43:14 #corewars: < jakub> what are you waiting for? :)
13:43:21 #corewars: < Roy> That one is nice, although the eye is a bit too far to the side imo, but nice modeling
13:43:24 #corewars: < Roy> (and skinning)
13:43:44 #corewars: < jakub> yep
13:44:03 #corewars: < jakub> the last one is from @ndy, he is one of the best in the blender community
13:44:10 #corewars: < jakub> check his other work too
13:45:24 #corewars: < jakub> grabek: got your mail :)
13:46:29 #corewars: < Roy> http://www.artificial3d.com/images/reefoutpost.jpg
13:46:58 #corewars: < jakub> thats it
13:47:04 #corewars: < jakub> you are fast :)
13:47:33 #corewars: < jakub> but he link I gave you - thats something more beautiful
13:47:38 #corewars: < jakub> (the goblin)
13:47:57 #corewars:  * Roy is now downloading a movie from [a]ndy
13:48:23 #corewars: < jakub> which one?
13:48:35 #corewars: < Roy> ice troll (just picked one)
13:48:45 #corewars: < Roy> Is it nice?
13:48:49 #corewars: < jakub> that sucks (compared to his other work)
13:49:00 #corewars: < jakub> try Blender COnference Trailer
13:49:08 #corewars: < jakub> you can find it on elysiun.com
13:49:34 #corewars: < Roy> And on his homepage
13:49:41 #corewars: < Roy> http://www.artificial3d.com/
13:50:25 #corewars: < jakub> the first one (Blender Conference ...)
13:50:45 #corewars: < jakub> mindfield is really cool too
13:50:52 #corewars: < Roy> yes, 24%... :) only 30kb/s
13:51:15 #corewars: < jakub> so slow?!? :)
13:51:46 #corewars: < Roy> yes yes, stop the laughs :P
13:52:06 #corewars:  * Roy is still the king, don't mess with me :)
13:52:50 #corewars:  * grabek starts to write his stone tutorial
13:52:51 #corewars: < jakub> :)
13:52:56 #corewars: < grabek> After an year or so...
13:52:57 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
13:53:55 #corewars: < jakub> http://www.artificial3d.com/mindfields/makingof/makingof.htm
14:00:14 #corewars: < Roy> hehe "Restaurant Café In de Waag" thats very dutch/belgium :)
14:01:18 #corewars: < Roy> brb/afk
14:04:14 #corewars: < jakub> :)
14:04:48 #corewars: < jakub> its because The Blender Conference took place In de Waag :)
14:20:10 #corewars:  * Roy got a REAL email from Roeland ;)
14:23:37 #corewars: < jakub> wow :-0
14:23:38 #corewars: < jakub> :)
14:23:53 #corewars: < jakub> you are now VIP :-p
14:25:26 #corewars: < grabek> yeah
14:26:06 #corewars:  * jakub is going to enjoy the snow
14:26:09 #corewars: < jakub> bye
14:26:12 #corewars:  * jakub waves
14:26:16 -!- You're now known as jk_log
14:26:30 #corewars: < Roy> bye!
14:26:58 #corewars: < Roy> He wants me to come over te groningen (200km away...) but maybe I'll take a train someday
14:27:43 #corewars:  * grabek waves
14:27:48 #corewars: < grabek> :-P
14:27:51 #corewars: < grabek> I bet you do :-P
14:33:51 #corewars: < Roy> Maybe I will....I have this whole week vacation :)
14:34:29 #corewars: < grabek> oh
14:34:36 #corewars: < grabek> it would be nice then
14:34:40 #corewars: < grabek> Make some photos!
14:34:50 #corewars: < Roy> I will take my digitalcam
14:34:50 #corewars: < Roy> > > Uiteindelijk is het toch doorgedrongen en snap ik het principe. Het lijkt me
14:34:50 #corewars: < Roy> > > een heel leuk spel om met jongeren te spelen, ik zelf ben begonnen toen ik
14:34:50 #corewars: < Roy> > > ongeveer 18 was, dat is nu 2 jaar geleden.
14:34:56 #corewars: < Roy> arhg, wrong window :)
14:35:30 #corewars: < Roy> http://linux-box.nl/~roeland/foto/pcw
14:35:39 #corewars: < Roy> They have a lot of photo's
14:36:28 #corewars: < Roy> But I really have no idea how to teach those people CW, should I start with imp? and then explain the instructionset?
14:40:07 #corewars: < grabek> Roy, you're hot headed :-)
14:40:24 #corewars: < grabek> I think that old-time warriors, like dwarf, imp and mice are pretty good introduction to CW
14:42:39 #corewars:  * Roy is hot headed? why? :o
14:44:14 -!- Roeland [~r00t@cc219927-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #corewars
14:44:30 #corewars: < Roy> Hi :)
14:44:32 #corewars: < Roeland> hello ;)
14:45:07 #corewars:  * Roy is not paying too much attention here, wachting Americam Football on RTL5 ;)
14:45:24 #corewars: < Roeland> shouldn't you just buy a tv card? ;)
14:46:06 #corewars: < Roy> Ah, behind my laptop now, easier this way
14:46:11 #corewars: < Roeland> ^_^
14:47:25 #corewars: < grabek> hi!
14:47:37 #corewars: < grabek> heh
14:47:38 #corewars: < Roy> Roeland, meet Lukasz :)
14:47:44 #corewars:  * grabek bows
14:49:05 #corewars: < Roeland> hi Lukasz!
14:49:19 #corewars: < grabek> hi Roeland 
14:49:29 #corewars: < grabek> nice idea, indeed
14:50:08 #corewars: < grabek> Is there Metcalf's scanner called Tiny Zoom?
14:50:09 #corewars: < Roeland> December last year, I bought 11 serial terminals for my workgroup, just for programming and teaching
14:50:24 #corewars:  * grabek should checks KOTH@SAL more often
14:50:37 #corewars: < grabek> It sounds pretty advanced
14:50:40 #corewars: < Roy> Does he have a tiny zoom?
14:50:48 #corewars: < grabek> Those XHTML, PHP, things...
14:51:11 #corewars: < Roeland> well, everyone works and learns on his own level
14:51:27 #corewars: < Roy> Thats nice, I think they'll like CW
14:51:29 #corewars: < Roeland> one 12-year old has built his own debian server
14:52:10 #corewars: < grabek> rotfl
14:52:33 #corewars: < grabek> do you know why I can't dl my mail?
14:52:45 #corewars: < Roeland> pop3?
14:52:50 #corewars: < grabek> yeah
14:52:53 #corewars: < grabek> I receive sth like
14:53:18 #corewars: < grabek> reading message grabek@pop3.aster.pl:3 of 3 (1212 bajtów ) fetchmail: b³±d SMTP: 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address h.rowlandac@online.de does not resolve
14:53:22 #corewars: < grabek> . not flushed
14:54:09 #corewars: < Roeland> hm... maybe you can turn off domain resolving in fetchmail? (haven't used it for a long time, don't know if that's an option)
14:55:12 #corewars: < grabek> No such an option
14:55:17 #corewars: < grabek> I *think* it is my ISP
14:55:38 #corewars: < Roeland> hm...
14:56:07 #corewars: < Roeland> I've been using IMAP for some months nou, and it works great
14:56:31 #corewars: < Roeland> grabek: are you a full time linux user?
14:56:44 #corewars: < grabek> I can't download even those emails that I send from another account of mine to another
14:56:56 #corewars: < grabek> Yeah, no Windows around here
14:56:59 #corewars: < grabek> IMAP, you say
14:57:23 #corewars: < grabek> Isn't this thing ISP dependant?
14:57:40 #corewars: < grabek> I mean, if they don't provide IMAP but only POP3?
14:57:51 #corewars: < grabek> Can I use IMAP on POP3 account?
14:58:02 #corewars: < Roeland> grabek: well, I've got IMAP/POP3 and webmail on my domain (linux-box.nl)
14:58:13 #corewars: < Roeland> IMAP is ISP dependent
14:58:27 #corewars: < grabek> thought so
14:58:50 #corewars: < grabek> I can't even go and see my ISP page for it is made in Flash! :-(
14:58:56 #corewars: < Roeland> >.<
14:59:04 #corewars: < Roeland> I don't trust my ISP for e-mail
14:59:07 #corewars: < Roy> Thats evil..
14:59:11 #corewars: < Roeland> I don't trust them for anything
14:59:28 #corewars: < grabek> OK, I can't also send emails
14:59:42 #corewars: < grabek> I am not sure, this may have something to do with SMTP authentication
14:59:43 #corewars: < Roeland> grabek: well, then it MUST be ISP related ;)
15:00:03 #corewars: < grabek> Roy, it is not evil, it is only a stupid www designer who didn't care about non-IE users
15:00:38 #corewars: < Roeland> an evil www designer :P
15:00:48 #corewars: < Roy> Most desingers are evil :)
15:01:07 #corewars: < Roeland> sco.com is still down ;)
15:01:28 #corewars: < Roy> Yeah? cool, its the first ofcourse :)
15:01:35 #corewars: < grabek> sco.com?
15:01:50 #corewars: < Roy> Did they bring it down themselfs, or is it because of mydoom?
15:02:19 #corewars: < Roeland> don't know
15:02:29 #corewars: < Roeland> grabek: you do know SCO, don't you?
15:02:55 #corewars: < grabek> I don't think so.
15:03:02 #corewars: < grabek> Reveal the abr
15:03:08 #corewars: < grabek> s/abr/abrev/
15:03:17 #corewars: < grabek> Does sendmail provide SMTP authentication?
15:03:19 #corewars: < Roeland> they sued IBM (SCO=Santa Cruz Operations, a UNIX vendor)
15:03:33 #corewars: < Roeland> don't know
15:04:03 #corewars: < Roeland> SCO is accusing the world of implementing copyrighted code into Linux ;)
15:04:55 #corewars: < grabek> I don't care about all this legal stuff
15:05:22 #corewars:  * Roy would like to do more with Linux...
15:05:23 #corewars: < grabek> I use Linux for it comes with a lot of free and high-quality software that fits my purposes
15:05:38 #corewars: < grabek> I am not a OSS warrior, you know, nor GNU freak
15:06:03 #corewars: < Roy> grabek is a platform independend warriorfreak :)
15:06:13 #corewars: < Roeland> lol
15:06:15 #corewars: < Roeland> :)
15:06:21 #corewars: < grabek> yeah, pmars is ported to a number of platforms
15:06:23 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
15:06:30 #corewars: < Roeland> nice program
15:06:47 #corewars: < Roeland> I'm a bit of an OSS advocate
15:07:25 #corewars: < Roy> But Roeland, how many people are in this group you where talking about?
15:07:57 #corewars: < Roeland> ehm
15:08:26 #corewars: < Roeland> We're open three days a week, and each day some ten to twenty visitors are attending it
15:08:44 #corewars: < Roeland> but the past couple of weeks it's been quite silent, around ten a day
15:10:46 #corewars: < Roy> Hmm...
15:11:04 #corewars: < Roy> Its too bad its all the way in groningen
15:11:24 #corewars: < Roy> I would like to visit you guys, and promote and explain cw
15:11:27 #corewars: < Roeland> yes, more people have complained about that ;)
15:12:13 #corewars: < Roy> 3.19 hours by train :|
15:12:46 #corewars: < Roeland> that's a long ride :/
15:13:22 #corewars: < Roy> And then at the end of the day, 3,5 hours back :)
15:14:29 #corewars: < Roeland> heh
15:14:41 #corewars: < Roy> With the car its "only" 2,5 hour :)
15:14:49 #corewars: < Roeland> Saturdays we're open from 10 am to 4 pm, that's just six hours ;)
15:15:14 #corewars: < Roy> heh, and the other days?
15:16:56 #corewars: < Roeland> wednesday from 13:00 to 17:00 and friday from 19:00 to 22:00 and during holidays, say, four days from 10:00 to 16:00
15:19:36 #corewars: < Roy> Thats a shame, not worth the 7 hour journey :(
15:20:18 #corewars: < Roeland> well, I think we need to keep in touch about CW, I think it's a great project
15:20:43 #corewars: < Roy> Yeah, me too, I'll keep programming anyway :)
15:21:06 #corewars: < Roeland> :)
15:29:48 #corewars: < Roy> It could be nice to have people fight eachother, and learn things from eachother
15:30:14 #corewars: < Roeland> yes,
15:30:25 #corewars: < Roy> Also teamprojects are very succesfull, look at Reepicheep and Son of Vain (best warriors all time IMO)
15:30:43 #corewars: < Roeland> there is something I want to get going this year,
15:30:53 #corewars: < Roeland> picture it:
15:31:40 #corewars: < Roeland> A dimly lit room, not too big, some old furniture, and a couple of desks with, say, 5 linux boxes
15:31:50 #corewars: < Roeland> and five serial consoles
15:32:07 #corewars: < Roeland> a coffee corner and a corner to sit and chat in cozy chairs
15:32:28 #corewars: < Roeland> entrance is free for members, just go, sit and program
15:32:30 #corewars: < grabek> yeah, smell of sweat and whispers in the dark: mov ah, 4ch int 21h
15:32:31 #corewars: < grabek> :-P
15:32:39 #corewars: < Roeland> the linux machines are clustered
15:32:41 #corewars: < Roy> stop! stop!
15:32:43 #corewars: < Roy> :)
15:32:56 #corewars: < Roeland> the terminals are there for the CW programmers and the perl and lisp coders
15:33:01 #corewars: < Roeland> just group work
15:33:25 #corewars: < grabek> Roeland: it was DOS assembly :-)
15:34:08 #corewars: < Roeland> Ooh assembly in DOS ^_^ the only goal: make the fastest PutPixel routine :P
15:34:34 #corewars: < grabek> LOL
15:34:37 #corewars: < grabek> which mode?
15:34:41 #corewars: < grabek> 320x200x256?
15:34:43 #corewars: < grabek> :))
15:34:56 #corewars: < Roeland> The smell of Michael Abrash's, Duntemanns and Will Husses books
15:34:58 #corewars: < Roeland> 13h ;)
15:35:08 #corewars: < grabek> 13h
15:35:09 #corewars: < grabek> *sigh*
15:35:28 #corewars: < Roeland> ^_^
15:35:36 #corewars: < grabek> In the times when I programming in DOS assembly there was no access to such books, not to mention www
15:35:51 #corewars: < Roeland> my brother is still programming in Assembler
15:36:03 #corewars: < Roeland> last thing he made was a little Copperbar/scroller demo ;)
15:36:05 #corewars: < grabek> So is Metcalf
15:36:19 #corewars: < grabek> (Metcalf is one of CW gurus)
15:36:48 #corewars: < Roeland> ah :)
15:37:32 #corewars: < grabek> hm
15:37:42 #corewars: < grabek> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/corewar
15:37:48 #corewars: < grabek> it's his homepage
15:38:23 #corewars: < Roeland> the linky isn't correct ;)
15:38:59 #corewars: < grabek> erm
15:39:00 #corewars: < Roy> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/corewar/
15:39:03 #corewars: < grabek> oh yes
15:40:11 #corewars: < Roeland> coo
15:40:13 #corewars: < Roeland> cool
15:40:25 #corewars: < grabek> #!/bin/bash
15:40:25 #corewars: < grabek> for file in $( ls *.html); do
15:40:25 #corewars: < grabek> if [ -N $file ]; then
15:40:25 #corewars: < grabek>   echo item: $file
15:40:27 #corewars: < grabek>   temp=$(echo $file | cut -f 1 -d .)
15:40:29 #corewars: < grabek>   cat data/header.html > $temp.htm
15:40:32 #corewars: < grabek>   cat $file >> $temp.htm
15:40:34 #corewars: < grabek>   cat data/footer.html | sed -e s/%date%/"`date +\"%Y-%m-%d %T %Z\"`"/g | sed -e s/%file%/`echo $file`/ >> $temp.htm
15:40:37 #corewars: < grabek> else
15:40:40 #corewars: < grabek>   echo $file has not been modified
15:40:42 #corewars: < grabek> fi
15:40:46 #corewars: < grabek> done
15:40:47 #corewars: < grabek> I am fully minded admin
15:40:50 #corewars: < grabek> Instead of doing HTML job
15:41:06 #corewars: < grabek> I've been making bash scripts for 5 hours
15:41:14 #corewars: < Roeland> lol, I'm using such a script for linux-box.nl ;)
15:41:17 #corewars: < grabek> just to make things easier
15:42:35 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
15:43:09 #corewars: < Roy> *sigh* says the windows xp user
15:43:32 #corewars: < Roeland> Roy: why are you still using XP when you *sigh* over it?
15:43:59 #corewars: < grabek> Roeland: Windows is nice, I mean it
15:44:14 #corewars: < grabek> It has one of the greatest program ever made
15:44:18 #corewars: < grabek> It is called Excel
15:44:22 #corewars: < Roeland> auch
15:44:25 #corewars: < Roy> I need it for school and such, and my laptop is the only box I have atm
15:44:29 #corewars: < Roeland> ah
15:44:37 #corewars: < Roy> Excel>StarOffice..
15:45:02 #corewars: < grabek> Also, there's Cygwin
15:45:17 #corewars: < Roeland> I've had a contract with 'Alfa College', I've been teachting Office for two years, but I got fed up with it ;)
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15:49:19 #corewars: < Roy> I don't have many things I would need linux for, but its sometimes easier to get things done
15:49:28 #corewars: < Roy> And free/not illegal :)
15:50:10 #corewars: < Roeland> I don't do things I need windows for, but I let people free in their choice, choosing windows is also part of freedom of choise :)
15:51:35 #corewars: < Roy> Well, the choice was set for me by school, now its too late
15:52:06 #corewars: < Roy> :)
15:52:19 #corewars: < Roeland> ;)
15:54:01 #corewars: < Roy> Ok, time for me to go, if you have any questions, gewoon mailen ;) cheers!
15:54:02 #corewars:  * Roy waves
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15:54:39 #corewars:  * grabek waves
15:54:47 #corewars: < Roeland> *waves*
15:54:49 #corewars: < Roeland> gone ;)
15:54:53 #corewars: < Roeland> heh
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16:51:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi whitepawn/spikefruit
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16:53:50 #corewars: < grabek> by whitespawn/spikefruit
16:54:01 #corewars: < Roeland> ;)
16:54:11 #corewars: < grabek> s/by/bye/
16:54:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> "why does this always happen to me"
16:54:27 #corewars: < grabek> which one?
16:54:54 #corewars: < Mizcu> they always run away when i open my mouth
16:55:00 #corewars: < Roeland> lol
16:55:08 #corewars: < grabek> have you checked your breath, Mizcu :-)
16:55:33 #corewars: < Mizcu> not lately..
16:55:49 #corewars: < grabek> well
16:56:10 #corewars: < Mizcu> time for some breath spray ->
16:56:18 #corewars: < grabek> lol
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16:56:36 #corewars: < grabek> are you one of those who use deo spray right on shirt?
16:56:45 #corewars: < Mizcu> it worked ^_^
16:56:52 #corewars: < whitepawn> hi
16:56:57 #corewars: < grabek> hi whitepawn 
16:57:09 #corewars: < Roeland> :)
16:58:26 #corewars: < grabek> ./whois whitespawn
16:58:35 #corewars: < whitepawn> hm?
16:59:07 #corewars: < grabek> haven't i put myself clearly? ;-)
16:59:14 #corewars: < whitepawn> no s
16:59:21 #corewars: < grabek> ouch
16:59:25 #corewars: < grabek> ./whois whitepawn
16:59:32 #corewars: < grabek> (sorry)
16:59:38 #corewars: < Roeland> heh
16:59:41 #corewars: < whitepawn> its ok
16:59:45 #corewars: < whitepawn> heh
17:00:40 #corewars: < grabek> lol
17:03:30 #corewars: < grabek> well?
17:11:15 #corewars: < whitepawn> well what
17:11:18 #corewars: < whitepawn> i'm confused
17:26:46 #corewars: < whitepawn> i gotta go
17:26:47 #corewars: < whitepawn> btye
17:26:47 #corewars: < whitepawn> bye
17:26:50 #corewars: < Roeland> bye
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20:46:10 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Hi
20:46:12 #corewars: < Jeff_K> all
20:47:33 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi
20:48:19 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Seems that there is no IRCT today.
20:48:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> yes, quite empty
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20:51:24 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello folks
20:51:43 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi will
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20:53:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> finally i have succeeded, a webpage and a perl-coded simple guestbook running on my 486
20:54:00 #corewars: < Mizcu> our CS teacher BETTER approve my perl or i'll fall into bad depression
20:54:22 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Perl is as dirty as Basic..i like it ;-)
20:54:51 #corewars: < Mizcu> ah, i remember again the joke that has been around 'net for a long time..
20:55:45 #corewars: < Jeff_K> tell me
20:56:02 #corewars: < Mizcu> There was shown how programming "hello world" evolves when the programmer becomes more skilled in different languages
20:58:24 #corewars: < Mizcu> first on elementary: (basic) print "hello world",   it went on with few languages including pascal, java, and C , showing how it becomes progressively more complicated
21:00:22 #corewars: < Mizcu> i have to dig it up from somewhere again..
21:00:53 #corewars: < Jeff_K> I know it...
21:01:29 #corewars: < willvarfa> http://www2.latech.edu/~acm/HelloWorld.shtml
21:02:42 #corewars: < Jeff_K> willvarfa: great link...a must i every Bookmarks
21:04:41 #corewars: < willvarfa> but no redcode..
21:06:15 #corewars: < willvarfa> so, irct#33?
21:06:52 #corewars: < Jeff_K> i think 2 player and a organizer are not enough..
21:11:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> it works..  it works!
21:11:09 #corewars: < Jeff_K> The guestbook
21:11:11 #corewars: < Jeff_K> ?
21:11:19 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Online?
21:11:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> its quite fugly but should be enough for a course
21:11:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> i dont have an extra hosting with perl-support available
21:12:34 #corewars: < Mizcu> the homepage instead is quite working and with a bit of tuning ready to be put online
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21:24:33 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi
21:24:42 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Hi Chris
21:24:42 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello Christian
21:24:43 #corewars: < Fizmo> I think I am too late :-/
21:24:44 #corewars: < willvarfa> how goes it?
21:24:48 #corewars: < Fizmo> good
21:24:55 #corewars: < willvarfa> well Fizmo, it hasn't happened (yet?)
21:24:58 #corewars: < Mizcu> not enough people for a round
21:25:12 #corewars: < Fizmo> oh
21:25:18 #corewars: < Mizcu> (what, again us four? eeegghhh..)
21:25:43 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Four horsemen of the apocalypse
21:25:47 #corewars: < Fizmo> :)
21:26:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> erhmm, I am still eating at launch now, while I am sitting in front of the PC
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21:29:45 #corewars: < Fizmo> so any other news?
21:30:03 #corewars: < grabek> no?
21:30:24 #corewars: < grabek> there was a guy
21:30:29 #corewars: < grabek> Roeland
21:33:03 #corewars: < Jeff_K> With his Usergroup...Nice idea to redcode in such a group!
21:33:39 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Instead of Counter-Strike he can make a LAN-Party with Redcode
21:34:54 #corewars: < will_varf> yeap, saw that; thanks for the plug lukasz ;-)
21:34:56 #corewars: < Fizmo> heh, that would be fun
21:37:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> ah, done. ,
21:37:58 #corewars: < grabek> we had a chat today
21:38:01 #corewars: < will_varf> well folks, guess #33 will be same place, same time, next week?
21:38:12 #corewars: < Mizcu> Maybe i'll now finish the webpage and publish the warriors i sent at sal-b..
21:38:17 #corewars: < grabek> Hm, almost three hours
21:38:25 #corewars: < grabek> yeah, Mizcu 
21:38:34 #corewars: < will_varf> and grabek, he has plenty of redcoders in his timezone to help him, remind him?
21:38:39 #corewars: < will_varf> #corewars etc
21:38:43 #corewars:  * will_varf *WAVES*
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21:40:18 #corewars: < Fizmo> I think so, I'll try to post an announcement on r.g.c. for next sunday
21:40:23 #corewars: < grabek> well, yes. not to mention Roy lives 130 miles away
21:40:31 #corewars: < grabek> from him, i mean
21:42:16 #corewars:  * grabek is afk
21:47:17 -!- LAchi [~LAchi@d81-211-177-35.cust.tele2.it] has joined #corewars
21:47:24 #corewars: < LAchi> hello
21:47:37 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Hi LAchi...Nice to see you
21:48:00 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi LAchi!!!
21:48:17 #corewars: < LAchi> At last I did it! ;) I found a free IRC client
21:48:28 #corewars: < LAchi> Nice to see you all.
21:48:44 #corewars: < Jeff_K> What did you use ?
21:49:08 #corewars: < LAchi> xchat for windows
21:50:18 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Any new Warrior for the koth-hills?
21:50:19 -!- You're now known as jakub
21:50:26 #corewars: < jakub> hello
21:50:37 #corewars: < jakub> I got amazing idea!
21:50:42 #corewars: < LAchi> Hm... Jeff K... I think I do not know you by this nick. Who are you?
21:50:46 #corewars: < Mizcu> and now there's suddenly 5 of us
21:50:55 #corewars: < LAchi> Hi Jakub.
21:51:07 #corewars: < jakub> what about www.teamspeak.org?
21:51:13 #corewars: < jakub> got it?
21:51:54 #corewars: < jakub> we can make cw party
21:52:01 #corewars: < LAchi> I have a question about KOTH.org: why does a warrior score 19th in the 88 hill and the "same" warrior score 2nd in the 88 tourney hill?
21:52:27 #corewars: < Fizmo> Maybe the 88 hill ist stronger?
21:52:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> or the constants fit better to coresize 8192
21:53:04 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: checked that link?
21:53:07 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi Jakub
21:53:20 #corewars: < LAchi> Or maybe a decoy of 280 is better than a decoy of just 80?
21:53:21 #corewars: < Jeff_K> LAchi: i'm Sascha
21:53:40 #corewars: < jakub> hi LAchi, Fizmo, Jeff_K, Mizcu
21:54:08 #corewars: < Fizmo> cool
21:54:11 #corewars: < jakub> I'm now phoning via internet with 5 ppl at same time
21:54:12 #corewars: < Jeff_K> O.K....we are enough for a little IRCT,,,who's alive?
21:54:12 #corewars: < LAchi> Tx Sascha/Jeff ;)
21:54:28 #corewars: < LAchi> alive and kicking!
21:54:46 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Any ideas for the rules?
21:55:19 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: download client and server and study a bit ... its not hard
21:55:49 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: we should try to make CW server
21:56:41 #corewars: < LAchi> What is the importance of decoy in modern corewars?
21:56:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> downloading
21:57:02 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Decoy exist in differnet forms
21:57:19 #corewars: < Jeff_K> 1) Decoy for Trigger enemys scanner
21:57:46 #corewars: < LAchi> (listening)
21:57:47 #corewars: < Jeff_K> 2) Active decoy...spl's to trap wounded Papers if they fall in !
21:58:03 #corewars: < Fizmo> to trigger oneshot starting the coreclear on the wrong place
21:58:38 #corewars: < Jeff_K> And to trigger the own scanner before it works to long..
21:59:22 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Decoy's are one of the most important defense-strategies, imho
21:59:28 #corewars: < Fizmo> jakub: are there somewhere specifications for a server?
21:59:41 #corewars: < jakub> nope
21:59:57 #corewars: < jakub> are you behind server?
22:00:05 #corewars: < jakub> server = proxy :)
22:00:09 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Nice decoy can be found at HSA...3c decoymaker
22:00:19 #corewars: < Jeff_K> At forgotten scanner...invisible decoymaker
22:00:26 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am behind a firewall
22:00:59 #corewars: < Fizmo> and the proxy of my virus scanner
22:01:18 #corewars: < LAchi> Interesting. I thought so.
22:01:32 #corewars: < LAchi> I did not think of decoy #2
22:01:57 #corewars: < Jeff_K> and boys are back in town..active decoy
22:02:30 #corewars: < Jeff_K> I think on Tourney hill, a big 250 liner active decoy can trap many paper-instances!
22:02:39 #corewars: < Fizmo> CrazyShot 2 needs the trigger of its own decoy (as the qscanner acts like a decoy)
22:02:41 #corewars: < Jeff_K> After wounded with dat-bombs..
22:03:00 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: it should work
22:03:27 #corewars: < LAchi> Anyway, I have 7 points from French Kiss to Do redcoders hybernate in 88 hill and 30 points between the same warriors on the 88 tourney.
22:03:49 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Constants...
22:04:21 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Yours are better fpr 8192 and his are worse..so 30 Points are not so much..
22:04:55 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: I have too slow computer to run server
22:06:22 #corewars: < LAchi> Thanks alot. I think I should study the active decoy, and see which constants fit better on 88 hill.
22:07:50 #corewars: < Jeff_K> But, be sure that your scanner cannot find that big decoy...you must use taylord decoy...
22:08:10 #corewars: < Jeff_K> tailored.
22:10:40 #corewars: < LAchi> Sure! The most time before submitting French Kiss was spent on not to find the decoy. ;)
22:10:58 #corewars: < Jeff_K> ;-)
22:11:06 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: downloaded?
22:12:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> already started the server
22:12:53 #corewars: < LAchi> Hm... I just saw that I made a mistake in FK 88T... interesting ;)
22:13:59 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: set it to anonymous
22:14:07 #corewars: < jakub> have to go :(
22:14:14 #corewars: < jakub> bye 
22:14:19 #corewars: < LAchi> Bye Jakub.
22:14:23 #corewars: < Jeff_K> cu
22:14:25 -!- You're now known as jk_log
22:14:36 #corewars: < jk_log> Fizmo: we will test it tommorow
22:15:34 #corewars: < LAchi> When I wrote fk88t I rescaled all the constants of fk88 except one... I think that is the key of its success!
22:15:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok
22:16:02 #corewars: < Jeff_K> is it a bug or a feature ;-)
22:16:33 #corewars: < LAchi> seems like a feature ;)
22:17:24 #corewars: < LAchi> Another question: what happened to SAL?
22:19:45 #corewars: < Jeff_K> SAL seems to be down these days...
22:20:47 #corewars: < Mizcu> huh? it has worked just fine for me
22:21:14 #corewars: < LAchi> Did you submit any warrior to SAL, Mizcu?
22:21:35 #corewars: < Mizcu> not for a while
22:21:56 #corewars: < Jeff_K> it's down from friday i think
22:22:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> (dont tell me metcalf has busted again a mailing system?)
22:22:20 #corewars: < LAchi> I am still waiting the results of Milkshake IV on the tiny hill :(
22:23:30 #corewars: < Fizmo> erhmm, I wanted to fix it but I realized that I didn't have the password for that.
22:23:47 #corewars: < Fizmo> still contacting Joonas
22:25:48 #corewars: < LAchi> How to submit on John Metcalf's tiny hill? There is no e-mail address at his site.
22:26:56 #corewars: < Fizmo> Just look at his 94nop entries 
22:26:56 #corewars: < Jeff_K> JM's Hill is not Play by Mail as SAL or KOTHJ.org...If you want to be on that Hill you muist Publish your Warrior in Corewarrior or on rgc, that he put it inoto this infinte Hill!
22:28:08 #corewars: < LAchi> Thanks. Ok I did it ;)
22:28:43 #corewars: < Jeff_K> LAchi: nice to see so much success of a newbie...
22:29:34 #corewars: < LAchi> Thanks Jeff.
22:29:50 #corewars: < LAchi> Anyway, as I wrote on the rgc, I have been redcoding for 20 years...
22:30:19 #corewars: < LAchi> not that newbie *smirk*
22:30:25 #corewars: < Jeff_K> 20 without a mars...That like 20 years of swimming without water
22:30:41 #corewars: < LAchi> Jeff: *rotfl*
22:33:09 #corewars: < LAchi> Seems like we are too few for a IRCT?
22:34:21 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, next sunday at 9 pm for shure we'll have a IRCT
22:34:42 #corewars: < LAchi> 9pm is too early for me :(
22:34:52 #corewars: < LAchi> I am back home for 9.30
22:35:08 #corewars: < Mizcu> http://koti.mbnet.fi/mizcu/corewars/
22:35:13 #corewars: < Jeff_K> 21:30 is o.k. too i think..we can wait half an hour.
22:35:16 #corewars: < Fizmo> Ok, then we'll do it next sunday at a later time
22:36:07 #corewars: < LAchi> sorry to delay, but I am a divorced father, I have to get my son to his mother at 9
22:36:22 #corewars: < LAchi> thanks
22:37:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> and now to search for typo's on the page..  grr..
22:38:06 #corewars: < LAchi> I found a broken link Mizcu
22:38:29 #corewars: < Mizcu> redcode/thingies
22:38:37 #corewars: < LAchi> From here: http://koti.mbnet.fi/mizcu/corewars/force.htm you cannot click on "Redcode"
22:39:43 #corewars: < Mizcu> should be better
22:40:15 #corewars: < Mizcu> Uppercase/lowercase-problems..
22:41:44 #corewars: < LAchi> Fizmo I liked the idea of the "diversity hill" a lot.
22:42:53 #corewars: < Fizmo> thanks
22:44:23 #corewars: < LAchi> I like the vamps, I think they are a neat idea, and I think that we miss them from the hills.
22:45:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> Vamps aren't strong enough against modern highly-optimized papers
22:45:55 #corewars: < Mizcu> even Myvamp 5.7 was a short vamp-bombing into a ssd-clear
22:46:12 #corewars: < LAchi> But they will find a new way to developement in a diversity hill
22:46:25 #corewars: < Fizmo> more like a kind of oneshot with some vamp assistance
22:57:04 #corewars: < Mizcu> i havent seen qscan with vamp-attack since (uhhh..  die hard?)
22:58:20 #corewars: < grabek> Olivia
22:58:32 #corewars: < LAchi> maybe 94 redcode does not fit a fast vamp?
22:58:39 #corewars: < LAchi> Hi Grabek!
22:58:43 #corewars: < grabek> Hi LAchi 
23:00:35 #corewars: < LAchi> Olivia is a vamp?
23:01:15 #corewars: < grabek> oh, i was thinking mizcu said qscan with vamp attack
23:01:18 #corewars: < grabek> and Olivia has one
23:01:57 #corewars: < grabek> (kind of)
23:02:28 #corewars: < Mizcu> spl 0, #trash | djn.f -1, -1
23:03:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> and some normal bombing near
23:03:05 #corewars: < Mizcu> (spl #0, #trash)
23:03:36 #corewars: < grabek> yeah
23:04:36 #corewars: < grabek> well, gtg
23:04:38 #corewars:  * grabek waves
23:04:40 #corewars: < grabek> good night
23:04:45 #corewars: < Jeff_K> cu
23:04:46 #corewars: < LAchi> good night grabek
23:05:42 #corewars: < LAchi> Miz I do not catch the code... :(
23:06:18 #corewars: < Mizcu> dont catch the location or the working?
23:06:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye, grabek
23:07:18 #corewars: < LAchi> dont catch the working or the goal
23:07:41 #corewars: < LAchi> I just see many processes in 2 locations.
23:08:08 #corewars: < Mizcu> if Olivia finds an enemy with its qscan, it will throw that 2-lines bomb at the opponent
23:08:22 #corewars: < Mizcu> and then throw some normal dat-bombs nearby
23:08:56 #corewars: < LAchi> ok now I understand that was the bombing not the process itself ! tx
23:10:43 #corewars: < Mizcu> But that is not a "true" vamp-attack, rather a special bomb
23:11:28 #corewars: < Mizcu> using "true" vamp attack will be slower
23:12:36 #corewars: < LAchi> yes I noticed that vamp strategy is not that fast using redcode 94
23:29:51 #corewars:  * Jeff_K goes to bed.
23:29:58 #corewars:  * Jeff_K waves
23:30:03 #corewars: < LAchi> gnight Jeff
23:30:20 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Nice to see you LAchi..
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23:32:49 #corewars: < Mizcu> i think i'll leave too, the wakeup's gonna kill me
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23:33:13 #corewars: < LAchi> gnight Mizcu
23:39:32 #corewars: < Fizmo> hmm, I was lookinh through 88 tourney. It seems that this hill is dominated my scanner. A nice stone should be easily go in a top spot there
23:40:11 #corewars: < LAchi> Smart Cabrio is on the way again! ;)
23:42:44 #corewars: < Fizmo> to which hill?
23:44:21 #corewars: < LAchi> 88 tourney ;)
23:45:14 #corewars: < Fizmo> hmm, it didn't appear on the Queue
23:45:50 #corewars: < LAchi> wait I still have to retune the constants ;) maybe tomorrow in the morning.
23:46:21 #corewars: < LAchi> and I have to find a q^4 for redcode 88 too.
23:47:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> a q^4 for 88 will be a bit tricky
23:49:09 #corewars: < LAchi> no no just to take any from some published warrior, I am not writing one myself!
23:52:33 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, I think I'll leave. It's late and tomorrow is a working day :-/
23:52:53 #corewars: < Fizmo> It was really nice to meet you here LAchi
23:53:22 #corewars: < LAchi> cu soon Fizmo. gnight.
23:53:24 #corewars: < Fizmo> I hope you'll be here also next sunday for IRCT-inn
23:53:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> IRCT-ing ;-)
23:53:47 #corewars: < LAchi> at 9.30, not before! ;) sorry
23:54:27 #corewars: < Fizmo> We'll wait for you
23:54:57 #corewars: < LAchi> tx alot.
23:55:04 #corewars: < Fizmo> I'll post also an announcement on r.g.c. hopefully some more player will participate
23:55:22 #corewars: < LAchi> maybe all of the sourceforge people?
23:56:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> I think I must prepare another cw promotion e-mail to all those player :)
23:57:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> Ok, I'll go to bed now
23:57:13 #corewars:  * Fizmo waves
23:57:18 #corewars: < LAchi> gnight and sweet dreams
23:57:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> thx
23:57:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> ciao
23:57:38 #corewars: < LAchi> ciao
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