#corewars: < jk_log> test - 1,2,3
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14:36:17 #corewars: < jakub> hello
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14:37:34 #corewars: < will_varf> hi/bye roy
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14:46:02 #corewars: < Roy> (please stay online...)
14:46:05 #corewars: < Roy> yay!
14:46:07 #corewars: < Roy> I can talk!
14:46:09 #corewars: < jakub> hi
14:46:17 #corewars: < Roy> hi!
14:46:23 #corewars: < will_varf> hello Roy
14:46:37 #corewars: < jakub> my version:
14:46:46 #corewars: < Roy> Fizmo is just too soon....I'm working on a scanner too
14:47:06 #corewars: < jakub> function combine : real;
14:47:06 #corewars: < jakub> var count : real;
14:47:06 #corewars: < jakub>     l     : byte;
14:47:06 #corewars: < jakub>   procedure find(m : byte; sum : integer);
14:47:06 #corewars: < jakub>   var n : byte;
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub>   begin
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub>     if (sum > suma) then exit;
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub>     if (sum = suma) then
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub>     begin
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub>       count := count + 1;
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub>       exit;
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub>     end;
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub>     for n := m to K do find(n, sum + pen[n]);
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub>   end;
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub> begin
14:47:07 #corewars: < jakub>   count := 0;
14:47:08 #corewars: < jakub>   for l := 1 to K do find(l, pen[l]);
14:47:08 #corewars: < jakub>   combine := count;
14:47:08 #corewars: < jakub> end;
14:47:30 #corewars: < jakub> suma = S, btw
14:47:36 #corewars: < jakub> K = N :)
14:47:46 #corewars: < jakub> in pen[i] contains the values
14:47:55 #corewars: < will_varf> count need not be real, as it is always integral
14:48:22 #corewars: < will_varf> that is pretty much what I'd have suggested
14:48:46 #corewars: < jakub> yes, I know - this is old version :)
14:49:06 #corewars: < Roy> What are you programming?
14:49:20 #corewars: < jakub> count can be 2^31! so the program need to be FAST like hell!
14:49:25 #corewars: < will_varf> and define 'slow', jakub
14:49:28 #corewars: < jakub> this is one little but evil problem
14:49:43 #corewars: < will_varf> hmm, maybe it isn't NP-hard; or is it??
14:50:01 #corewars: < jakub> slow means it don't end in given time limit :)
14:50:17 #corewars: < jakub> I think its now
14:50:17 #corewars: < jakub> not
14:50:23 #corewars: < Roy> All time is relative :)
14:50:32 #corewars: < will_varf> jakub, this is really suspiciously like usaco..
14:50:42 #corewars: < jakub> no, it isn;t
14:50:44 #corewars: < will_varf> yeah, jakub, buy a faster computer!!
14:50:54 #corewars: < jakub> :)
14:51:14 #corewars: < jakub> you submit it like in usaco, so I need to buy THEM a faster computer :)
14:52:18 #corewars: < will_varf> hmm, in many cases you can first reduce it to the smallest common denominator?  does it scale like that?  will parameters be massive primes?
14:53:34 #corewars: < jakub> don't know, its not showing inputs (unlike in usaco)
14:53:40 #corewars: < jakub> its like black box
14:54:41 #corewars: < jakub> doesn't this type of problem have a special name? if yes, I can find something on the net
14:55:16 #corewars: < will_varf> sorry, the approach I'd take is recursion
14:55:29 #corewars: < will_varf> obviously this isn't NP-hard, else why set it as a problem?
14:55:44 #corewars: < jakub> yes
14:56:01 #corewars: < jakub> maybe I will try to change it to longint a it will be fast enough :)
14:56:16 #corewars: < will_varf> hmm, obviously addition is the same thing backwards
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14:57:11 #corewars: < willvarfa> are they different combinations?
14:57:20 #corewars: < jakub> pardon?
14:58:11 #corewars: < jakub> don't understand the Q
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15:01:01 #corewars: < jakub> I have done 5 problems, but 3 are still giving my pain in the ass
15:01:51 #corewars: < willvarfa> 5 + 5 + 3 = 5 + 3 + 5 = 3 + 5 + 5
15:01:56 #corewars: < willvarfa> are they different combinations?
15:03:23 #corewars: < jakub> nope
15:03:57 #corewars: < jakub> my solution is counting them as same combinactions
15:04:24 #corewars: < jakub> better said, he is searching just up the array
15:05:09 #corewars: < jakub> m to K, not 1 to K
15:10:25 #corewars: < jakub> coding?
15:11:13 #corewars: < willvarfa> hmm
15:11:17 #corewars: < willvarfa> I was, sorry
15:11:24 #corewars: < willvarfa> writing a little webserver (in java)
15:11:28 #corewars: < willvarfa> hmm
15:11:58 #corewars: < willvarfa> ah ok
15:12:17 #corewars: < willvarfa> you have max sum/smallest-denominantion coins
15:12:54 #corewars: < jakub> ?
15:13:08 #corewars: < jakub> uff, what was that? :)
15:13:17 #corewars: < willvarfa> imagine paying $10 in $1 coins.. max 10 coins
15:13:38 #corewars: < willvarfa> so basically you know how deep your recursion will go
15:14:54 #corewars: < willvarfa> now addition is commutative; 4 + 3 = 3 + 4
15:14:56 #corewars: < jakub> I'm still with you ... continue please :)
15:15:50 #corewars: < willvarfa> create an array of max-depth
15:16:04 #corewars: < jakub> for each value?
15:16:10 #corewars: < willvarfa> for any combination you find, you can actually count 1^len combinations
15:16:35 #corewars: < willvarfa> so how to cull dups that are just reordered?  that is the bit I haven't thought of
15:17:06 #corewars: < jakub> what is "1^len"?
15:17:22 #corewars: < willvarfa> len is the number of coins
15:17:49 #corewars: < jakub> 1^len = 1 :)
15:18:01 #corewars: < willvarfa> ah sorry, whatever
15:18:20 #corewars: < willvarfa> (1 << len) - 1?
15:19:12 #corewars: < jakub> hmm, isn't that 2^len?
15:19:22 #corewars: < jakub> or 2^l3n - 1
15:20:20 #corewars: < willvarfa> whatever, you get the idea
15:20:34 #corewars: < jakub> nope, sorry :-/
15:20:49 #corewars: < jakub> maybe I'm not in form or something :(
15:20:52 #corewars: < willvarfa> we want to avoid finding 4 + 3 if we have already found 3 + 4..
15:21:04 #corewars: < jakub> yes
15:21:12 #corewars: < willvarfa> when we find 4 + 3 we can work out how many reorderings of it there are easily
15:21:19 #corewars: < willvarfa> how many permutations
15:21:22 #corewars: < jakub> with recursion, you can avoid it easily
15:21:32 #corewars: < willvarfa> so, away you go then!
15:21:38 #corewars: < willvarfa> a lookup array seems in order
15:22:00 #corewars: < willvarfa> you can work backwards
15:22:19 #corewars: < jakub> I'm avoiding it already
15:22:28 #corewars: < willvarfa> you know the worst case is x coins
15:22:35 #corewars: < jakub> yep
15:22:51 #corewars: < willvarfa> got something to start on?
15:23:39 #corewars: < jakub> new problem?
15:24:55 #corewars: < jakub> one prob is nice: find the smallest amount of letters you have to add to string to generate palindrome
15:25:03 #corewars: < jakub> ah = 1 (aha)
15:25:20 #corewars: < jakub> abc = 2 (abcba)
15:25:40 #corewars: < jakub> akla = 1 (aklka)
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15:28:18 #corewars: < Roy> first you have to find pair...
15:28:20 #corewars: < will_varf> at a guess, if it is even then 1, if it is odd then 2?
15:28:44 #corewars: < will_varf> minus pairs of course
15:29:10 #corewars: < jakub> abcd
15:29:25 #corewars: < will_varf> ah, abcd = +3
15:29:33 #corewars: < jakub> yep :)
15:29:35 #corewars: < Roy> ((amount of singles * 2)-1)-pairs?
15:29:54 #corewars:  * will_varf thinks Roy is better at this than he
15:30:23 #corewars: < jakub> hele
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15:31:38 #corewars: < jakub> 2*2-1 = 3
15:31:40 #corewars: < Roy> I think thats about right
15:32:01 #corewars: < jakub> and you just need to add 1 letter
15:33:14 #corewars: < Roy> ((single-1)*2)-pairs
15:33:50 #corewars: < Roy> argh, not right either..
15:33:58 #corewars: < jakub> not so simple :)
15:34:30 #corewars: < jakub> I can write brutforce type of algorithm, but don't know, if its enough
15:34:51 #corewars: < Roy> ((single-2)^2)-pairs
15:34:52 #corewars: < jakub> that would be too slow
15:35:14 #corewars: < jakub> nope - abcd
15:35:31 #corewars: < jakub> 3 pairs, not 4
15:35:56 #corewars: < will_varf> subtract the pairs; they don't need to be added
15:36:19 #corewars: < will_varf> if it is even in length, subtract one
15:36:30 #corewars: < will_varf> and then count the remaining chars?
15:36:52 #corewars: < Roy> Thats about right...now in one formula :P
15:37:25 #corewars: < will_varf> hmm, always subtract one
15:37:57 #corewars: < jakub> abb
15:38:13 #corewars: < jakub> 3 - 2 (pair) - 1 (always) = 0 :)
15:40:04 #corewars: < will_varf> but isn't that bab?
15:40:38 #corewars: < jakub> you have to ADD letters to create palindormes, not to move them
15:40:48 #corewars: < jakub> so its abba
15:40:50 #corewars: < will_varf> ah oops
15:41:05 #corewars: < jakub> (hehe, swedish band :) )
15:41:09 #corewars: < Roy> akla = 1 (aklka)   <-??
15:41:16 #corewars: < Roy> you move those too :P
15:42:11 #corewars: < jakub> you add k BETWEEN l and a, you don't move anything :)
15:42:21 #corewars: < jakub> imagine, there is infinite gap between the letters :-p
15:42:22 #corewars: < Roy> ah...
15:43:27 #corewars: < Roy> Then you can't solve it in math :P
15:43:49 #corewars: < Roy> imagine a string ababbababbaaba....thats hard to calculate!
15:44:03 #corewars: < jakub> right :), its good you found it by youself :)
15:44:25 #corewars: < jakub> yes, the ma length of given string is 10, btw
15:44:46 #corewars: < Roy> I could program it I guess...
15:44:52 #corewars: < Roy> i have an idea :P
15:45:05 #corewars: < Roy> but that'll have to wait, going home now, cheers!
15:45:20 #corewars: < jakub> ok, I'll wait :)
15:45:31 #corewars: < Roy> You also don't have the solution yet?
15:45:36 #corewars: < Roy> argh, no begging then :P
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15:45:44 #corewars: < jakub> I'm leaving at 18:00
15:46:18 #corewars: < jakub> BTW: I got just As!!! no B
15:46:48 #corewars: < jakub> our class is going to celebrate the fisrt half of the school year
15:50:12 #corewars: < will_varf> wow!
15:50:32 #corewars:  * jaska thinks of starting evolving again.. but no cpu time.
15:53:04 #corewars: < jakub> hi jaska
15:53:25 #corewars: < jakub> will_varf: thats said my parents when they heard it :)
15:54:25 #corewars: < jaska> hi hi.
15:56:03 #corewars: < jakub> 9ppl in clas have As, nothing else
15:56:09 #corewars: < jakub> thats that record I wal talking about
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16:07:40 #corewars: < willvarfa> got to run! bbs
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17:06:46 #corewars: < jakub> hello
17:06:58 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello again
17:07:00 #corewars: < willvarfa> how goes it?
17:07:24 #corewars: < jakub> nothing :(
17:08:48 #corewars: < willvarfa> you're a keen problem solver jakub?
17:09:34 #corewars: < jakub> I'm tired problem solver that is looking forward to go out with his friends today
17:09:38 #corewars: < jakub> :)
17:09:52 #corewars: < willvarfa> ah shame, I had a little problem for you :-)
17:09:58 #corewars: < jakub> no ideas in programming field
17:10:07 #corewars: < jakub> gimme it :)
17:10:24 #corewars: < jakub> if its little
17:11:53 #corewars: < willvarfa> the graphs on redcoder.sourceforge.net?p=kepler-wilfiz
17:12:09 #corewars: < willvarfa> how to measure the 'likeness' between one graph and another?
17:15:27 #corewars: < jakub> what about some usaco type of problem :)
17:15:48 #corewars: < willvarfa> well it is :-)
17:16:11 #corewars: < willvarfa> chunk in some euclidian distances, some averaging, some weighting ...
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17:16:55 #corewars: < willvarfa> if I were to phrase it "how can you measure the likeness between two histograms with a time dimension?" you might prefer it?
17:16:59 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello bvowk
17:17:02 #corewars: < bvowk> hello
17:18:13 #corewars: < jakub> willvarfa: no bloody way :)
17:18:19 #corewars: < jakub> hi bvowk
17:18:34 #corewars: < willvarfa> lol ok
17:31:36 #corewars:  * bvowk wonders
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17:32:52 #corewars:  * will_varf wonders what bvowk is wondering about
17:33:15 #corewars: < bvowk> where the fsck my zaurus is
17:33:25 #corewars: < bvowk> no update on my tracking info in just about 48 hrs
17:35:34 #corewars: < bvowk> :(
17:35:38 #corewars: < bvowk> I want my new toy
17:35:41 #corewars: < will_varf> :-(
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17:36:28 #corewars: < bvowk> are you ever going to get something to replace your dstink?
17:37:25 #corewars: < jaska> heh
17:37:38 #corewars:  * jaska kicks flaky hw
17:38:05 #corewars: < will_varf> nope, replace my isp instead
17:38:11 #corewars: < will_varf> just need to get around to it
17:38:22 #corewars: < jaska> yeah, my logs are full of you bouncing back and forth
17:38:42 #corewars: < will_varf> 26Mbps/4 fixed public ips/one pc behind a nat behind it..
17:39:05 #corewars: < will_varf> sorry jaska
17:39:18 #corewars: < jaska> np :)
17:40:08 #corewars: < will_varf> see, at least you know you're log hasn't frozen ;-)
17:40:33 #corewars: < jaska> 68 logfiles already 
17:41:14 #corewars: < will_varf> ah, see, I help stress-test your harddisk too
17:42:35 #corewars: < bvowk> http://tinyurl.com/33epb
17:45:27 #corewars: < will_varf> lol
17:45:41 #corewars: < will_varf> although there are more and more fat kids over here too
17:45:51 #corewars: < will_varf> oh well
17:45:54 #corewars: < will_varf> have to run!
17:45:57 #corewars: < bvowk> mmmm.. pate :)
17:45:59 #corewars: < will_varf> have a nice weekend everyone
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18:06:26 #corewars: < jakub> time to go
18:06:31 #corewars: < jakub> bye
18:06:34 #corewars: < jakub> and nice weekend
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18:08:23 #corewars: < joonas> bvowk!
18:08:31 #corewars: < joonas> hi all
18:20:09 #corewars:  * joonas gives in
18:20:14 #corewars: < joonas> going home. bye
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18:57:03 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi all...
18:59:48 #corewars: < Metcalf> Well, I came out in the wind and rain and no-one's here :-/
19:01:25 #corewars: < jaska> aww.
19:03:55 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi Jaska.
19:04:41 #corewars: < jaska> ello.
19:04:50 #corewars: < jaska> oooh, its 8pm
19:04:58 #corewars: < Metcalf> Anything new in the last couple of weeks?
19:04:58 #corewars: < jaska> work sucks :|
19:05:09 #corewars: < jaska> nothing that ive noticed, except a really good evolved warrior
19:05:17 #corewars: < jaska> you probably saw it already (not mine, some guy ive never heard of)
19:05:25 #corewars: < Metcalf> Oh?
19:05:35 #corewars: < Metcalf> Ah, you mean on the sf tiny evolved hill?
19:05:42 #corewars: < jaska> yeah.
19:05:51 #corewars: < Metcalf> It's not evolved... It's Fizmo's Bishot 2
19:06:12 #corewars: < jaska> arr, faked?
19:06:37 #corewars: < Metcalf> Well, someone may have made an error
19:06:52 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
19:07:12 #corewars: < jaska> would explain it tho, its rather hardcore for an evolved one
19:08:44 #corewars: < jaska> oh well, i need to find cpu to run evolvers again
19:08:51 #corewars: < jaska> but now i need to go get some food and mv myself home.
19:08:56 #corewars: < jaska> ->
19:09:13 #corewars: < Metcalf> Okay...
19:09:19 #corewars:  * Metcalf waves to Jaska.
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19:34:25 #corewars: < Roy> Helo
19:35:17 #corewars: < Roy> Why is what effective JM?
19:36:11 #corewars: < Metcalf> Hi Roy.
19:36:21 #corewars: < Metcalf> Something without a d-clear.
19:38:31 #corewars: < Roy> Blurrish scanner without dclear?
19:38:54 #corewars: < Roy> Heh, thats a cool idea, switch bomb and continue scanning like HSA :)
19:39:32 #corewars: < Metcalf> Roy: that's been done :-)
19:40:00 #corewars: < Metcalf> See Enough is Enough!  (Blurish scan, HSA switch and Zooom trick)
19:40:02 #corewars: < Roy> Ah, dammit...I've been trying all kinds of scanne stuff this whole day, nothing new nor effective came up
19:40:36 #corewars: < Metcalf> Your '88 warriors seem to be doing okay :-)
19:40:52 #corewars: < Metcalf> Been working on my website a lot recently.
19:41:08 #corewars: < Metcalf> I need to find a new home for it...  I don't mind paying for a host.
19:41:25 #corewars: < Roy> 88? I don't do 88 :)
19:42:52 #corewars: < Metcalf> There are a couple of your's on the '88 hill.
19:43:38 #corewars: < Roy> Hmm...I am just now looking at me laptops HD, I want to program a solution for Jakub....seems I only have a redcode interpreter, nothing else (no C/Java/basic/pascal/NOTHING!)
19:44:05 #corewars: < Metcalf> LAchi's success is very impressive
19:44:26 #corewars: < Roy> Those warrior where made for the tournament, The Seed is very much like your Vala, and that scanner is one from koenigstuhl optimized with new constants
19:44:49 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, that is pretty nice to see, his stone/scanner sounds intresting, would love to see it
19:45:15 #corewars: < Roy> Do you know a small free C compiler?
19:45:21 #corewars: < Roy> (DJGPP?)
19:46:25 #corewars: < Metcalf> Thanks for the email Roy :-)
19:46:47 #corewars: < Roy> No prob
19:49:57 #corewars: < Metcalf> I don't use C, so I can't suggest one.  But I have heard of DJGPP.
19:50:13 #corewars: < jaska> what do you use then, besides redcode?
19:50:21 #corewars: < Roy> I have that (DOS) on my normal PC, but nothing else on my laptop :)
19:50:24 #corewars: < Metcalf> Assembly!
19:50:31 #corewars: < jaska> uggh :P
19:50:34 #corewars: < Roy> DJGPP/JDK
19:50:54 #corewars: < Metcalf> I can get by in a few HLL :-)
19:51:17 #corewars: < jaska> heh, c2redcode compiler hmm :D
19:51:29 #corewars: < Metcalf> I've written before in C, Pascal, Lisp, Forth, Oberon, Algol, Basic, and probably some others.
19:51:37 #corewars: < Metcalf> Jaska: good idea.
19:51:43 #corewars: < jaska> or some other hll2redcode
19:52:02 #corewars: < Metcalf> Any ideas about how to handle text output?
19:52:22 #corewars: < jaska> hmm.
19:52:26 #corewars: < jaska> stash it somewhere
19:52:31 #corewars: < Roy> In DAT's :)
19:53:20 #corewars: < jaska> mmm.. food.
19:54:07 #corewars: < Metcalf> Just seen Lukasz's page is up to date.
19:54:11 #corewars: < Metcalf> Time to go :-/
19:54:15 #corewars: < jaska> seeya
19:54:18 #corewars: < Metcalf> Closing here
19:54:19 #corewars: < Roy> Bye!
19:54:28 #corewars:  * Roy waves to the closing guy :)
19:54:31 #corewars:  * jaska transforms back into a bot.
19:55:48 #corewars:  * Metcalf waves
19:58:37 #corewars:  * bvowk fehs
19:59:54 #corewars: < Metcalf> Cheers
19:59:59 #corewars: < bvowk> hey john
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23:06:34 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
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