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03:50:01 #Corewars: < Subversiv> Heyas
03:55:09 #Corewars: < Subversiv> Anyone awake?
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09:42:32 #corewars: < willvarfa> howdy folks
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11:54:50 #corewars: < willvarfa> very quiet here today..
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15:27:50 #corewars: < jaska> will and his poor connectivity :(
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20:04:24 -!- You're now known as jakub
20:04:27 #corewars: < jakub> hello
20:04:34 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi j
20:04:51 #corewars: < jakub> hi Mizcu!
20:04:58 #corewars: < jakub> hows the life going?
20:06:02 #corewars: < Mizcu> slowly. Testweek going and for two days i have been having sleeping 04.00 - 16.00
20:06:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> tomorrow first exam
20:09:16 #corewars: < jakub> my exams are done (almost)
20:12:53 #corewars: < Mizcu> I keep wondering how good the current paperstep really is,  one and a half weeks - no improvement
20:13:15 #corewars: < Mizcu> But its still behind imperactive =/
20:28:05 #corewars: < Mizcu> ...
20:29:01 #corewars: < jakub> :)
20:29:09 #corewars: < Mizcu> .. or not
20:29:19 #corewars: < jakub> sorry, I'm doing math now
20:30:15 #corewars: < jakub> so I'm not responding very fast
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20:50:39 #corewars: < Roy> Hi
20:50:47 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi Roy
20:50:59 #corewars: < Roy> still no better paperstep I see?
20:51:45 #corewars: < Mizcu> Silly me, i forgot that imperactive & new one cannot be compared because a&b-difference
20:52:07 #corewars: < Roy> huh?
20:52:50 #corewars: < Mizcu> new-one bombs more agressive than imperactive
20:54:28 #corewars: < Roy> Ah ok, but then still it could score better
20:55:18 #corewars: < Mizcu> 148 fiz with added Q^3..
20:55:35 #corewars: < Roy> Q^4.5 should do better
20:55:45 #corewars: < Roy> break that 150 barrier :)
20:56:13 #corewars: < Mizcu> shouldnt even break a sweat with the 150
20:56:41 #corewars: < Roy> Uhm, how do you measure that 148 score?
20:57:22 #corewars: < Mizcu> max scores = 100% wins *3 = 300
20:57:58 #corewars: < Roy> ah ok
20:59:23 #corewars: < Mizcu> 148 with non-optimized bombing step and Q^3..    .. i feel like giving a grin            
21:00:32 #corewars: < Roy> That is pretty good, BUT the paperstep is now optimized for you current bombing step, so if you change that the paperstep will be less effective (right?)
21:00:40 #corewars: < Roy> (Thats the horror of optimizing)
21:00:58 #corewars: < Mizcu> the replistep optimization was done castrated
21:01:26 #corewars: < Roy> Ah yes, but its still a combination
21:02:06 #corewars: < Roy> (Devilstick scores 156.9 WilFizzies)
21:02:40 #corewars: < Roy> But Revenge of the Papers for instance only 144 fizzies
21:02:51 #corewars: < Mizcu> Lord of the Imprings II gets 157
21:03:36 #corewars: < jakub> hello
21:03:39 #corewars: < Mizcu> But i dont do the main optimization against only wilfiz so no problem of overspecilization
21:04:00 #corewars: < Roy> Ah yes, that is a problem, I optimize against a bad benchmark (I noticed)
21:04:25 #corewars: < Roy> But it has 31 warriors, so its pretty big IMO
21:07:12 #corewars: < Mizcu> bigger bench, bigger wait, less specialization
21:07:31 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, but I just keep it running overnight for a few days ;)
21:09:33 #corewars: < Mizcu> i think i need to do optimizer integrated to exhaust, faster and less filehandling problems
21:10:09 #corewars: < Roy> I'm still hoping someone makes that for me :) and publishes it (I'm lazy)
21:10:18 #corewars: < Roy> (and can't program that well)
21:10:45 #corewars: < Roy> I use OPTImax sometimes, but its still being developed (secret project)
21:11:00 #corewars: < Roy> Maybe you should ask Fizmo about it sometime ;)
21:11:16 #corewars: < Roy> Just say you want to beta-test it
21:11:26 #corewars: < Roy> Or tell him to make it public
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21:24:32 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi joonas
21:24:35 #corewars: < joonas> hi mizcu
21:24:55 #corewars: < joonas> just popped in for a bit
21:25:05 #corewars: < Roy> hi joonas
21:25:21 #corewars: < joonas> hi roy, and all others too
21:26:40 #corewars: < jakub> hi joonas
21:27:04 #corewars: < jakub> god, I'm getting mad ... math is destroying my mind :-/
21:27:20 #corewars: < joonas> ah, fizmo put up the announcement for the 20th anniversary meet.
21:27:26 #corewars: < Roy> Maths is good for you :)
21:27:40 #corewars: < Roy> I hope I can come, parents are working against me :(
21:27:57 #corewars: < joonas> there's no date set yet
21:28:01 #corewars: < jakub> I've haven't said  don't like math
21:28:03 #corewars: < jakub> :)
21:28:19 #corewars: < jakub> Iits just destroying me, thats everything :)
21:28:22 #corewars: < joonas> jakub: try sleeping on your problem and it will go away for the night. :)
21:28:28 #corewars: < Roy> I didn't say you didn't like it :))
21:28:34 #corewars: < jakub> :-p
21:28:38 #corewars: < jakub> joonas: ok
21:28:51 #corewars: < jakub> but the first half of the school years is over
21:29:07 #corewars: < jakub> I got one B , everything other is A
21:29:11 #corewars: < jakub> (not bad)
21:29:15 #corewars: < Roy> Ok, lets see how my latest creating is going to do
21:29:20 #corewars: < joonas> congratulations
21:29:24 #corewars: < jakub> tnx
21:29:31 #corewars: < jakub> but I wanted only As :-/
21:29:36 #corewars: < Roy> Nice grades, I have 2 exams to go, then my halfyear is also complete
21:29:40 #corewars: < jakub> I was SO near to achieve it :-/
21:29:58 #corewars: < jakub> but our class broke the school record!!!!!!!!!!
21:30:10 #corewars: < joonas> woot
21:30:21 #corewars: < jakub> we are the best class in last 15 years or so
21:30:24 #corewars: < jakub> 8-0
21:30:39 #corewars: < jakub> lot of brains are there
21:30:47 #corewars: < jakub> but only one cw freak :-/
21:30:53 #corewars: < joonas> heh
21:31:09 #corewars: < jakub> some are wannabes but don't want to learn redcode .. and thats problem :)
21:31:16 #corewars: < Roy> Do something about that then ;)
21:31:35 #corewars: < joonas> point them at the cwsf beginner's hill
21:31:41 #corewars: < jakub> yes, I was trying
21:31:51 #corewars: < joonas> or the sal beginner's hill
21:32:00 #corewars: < joonas> but that doesn't get any action
21:32:00 #corewars: < jakub> every project by me , every talk I had was about cw
21:32:11 #corewars:  * jakub was trying to brainwash them :)
21:32:36 #corewars: < Roy> Nowadays I don't understand what was so different about cw, I find it easy to read all code now...but when I started phew
21:33:00 #corewars: < joonas> ooh... I just spotted a kind of loophole in the r16 rules.
21:33:16 #corewars: < jakub> Roy: yes, me too
21:33:25 #corewars: < Mizcu> http://corewars.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/control.py?action=showwarrior&warriorid=9ee2bb97635225f67e3198bc35f929ebd6f08f60    <- sometimes code is easy understand, but the programmers are not
21:33:34 #corewars: < jakub> I was looking at CoreWarriors like idiot :)
21:34:11 #corewars: < Roy> loophole? /me is curious :)
21:34:24 #corewars: < Roy> spl $100 (huh?)
21:35:55 #corewars: < Mizcu> does that program do an clear with process/dat/process/dat?
21:36:10 #corewars: < Roy> no...
21:36:12 #corewars: < Mizcu> (too bored to check on mars)
21:36:55 #corewars: < Roy> he moves a dat, splits to a dat, jmps back, moves a dat, splits to a dat jmps back (etc) until it self destructs (right?)
21:37:24 #corewars: < Mizcu> it has two >> and spl }0
21:37:49 #corewars: < joonas> so I guess he's hoping to jump into the crippled opponent's code?
21:38:52 #corewars: < Roy> doesn't it do mov/spl 100,}0/jmp -3 (dies off) dat #102,#102 (dies off)?
21:39:24 #corewars: < joonas> it's a jmp -2
21:39:29 #corewars: < Roy> ohw, jmp -1, jmp 0,0 (its } not {)
21:39:39 #corewars: < Mizcu> writes dats with .*.*.*.*.* -pattern followed by *****-processes
21:39:47 #corewars: < Roy> ohw its }0 (not }1) argh
21:39:55 #corewars:  * Roy is dyslexic
21:40:03 #corewars: < joonas> tell me more about how easy it is to read code ;)
21:40:36 #corewars: < Mizcu> once it has gone trough it overwrites Mov with dat and dies
21:40:38 #corewars: < Roy> SoV having a hard time on the hill.....3th from below when datted
21:40:46 #corewars: < joonas> yeah.
21:41:04 #corewars: < joonas> it became koth in the hall of fame though.
21:41:27 #corewars: < joonas> over the weekend.
21:41:31 #corewars: < Roy> Thats nice, its time for it to go then (grin)
21:41:43 #corewars: < joonas> sure.
21:42:01 #corewars: < Roy> But I'm not going to do it, to many papers from me on the hill atm
21:42:19 #corewars:  * Roy isn't going to submit more warriors until some are pushed off)
21:42:21 #corewars:  * joonas nods vigorously!
21:42:36 #corewars: < Roy> Stop whining, make scanners or something
21:42:46 #corewars: < joonas> heh
21:43:01 #corewars: < Roy> Pong2? you said it would take 2 weeks until you had a replacement if it was pushed off :)
21:43:08 #corewars: < joonas> has it been two weeks?
21:43:32 #corewars: < joonas> so I was looking at numb(2?) the other day.
21:44:28 #corewars:  * jakub thanks god, that he have programmable graphic calculator :)
21:44:36 #corewars: < jakub> he hs :(
21:44:40 #corewars: < jakub> he has :((
21:44:45 #corewars: < Mizcu> I want a mars for ti-86 :)
21:44:48 #corewars: < jakub> I'm not in good shape
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21:45:18 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
21:45:27 #corewars: < joonas> I really like numbs bombing
21:45:44 #corewars: < jakub> hi Fizmo!
21:45:56 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi Jakub!
21:45:59 #corewars: < joonas> hi fizmo
21:46:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> Jakub: if you are interested one of my songs is now online available
21:46:56 #corewars: < jakub> link?
21:47:14 #corewars: < Roy> Numb is nice :) but I stole the stone and optimized it using random numbers, seems to score well though
21:47:15 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://www2.mp3.de/musik/bands/de/1/232508?param=1|64&z=1
21:48:27 #corewars: < joonas> the other one I was really surprised about was how well devilstick kicks all kinds of clears
21:48:40 #corewars: < joonas> so many 1's in core
21:49:15 #corewars: < Roy> The version on the hill is even a lot stronger then koenigstuhl (don't know which one you tried?)
21:49:49 #corewars: < Roy> Fizmo: Sounds nice, really profesional!
21:49:51 #corewars: < joonas> so I was thinking, since a lot of paper (and others) is now optimised against forward wipes, a backward wipe -> gate should do fairly well
21:50:02 #corewars: < joonas> the one from koen.
21:50:15 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, together with a backwards scan
21:50:17 #corewars: < joonas> backward wipe in the end-game that is.
21:50:27 #corewars: < Roy> Fizmo: is it you singing?
21:50:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> thanks
21:51:01 #corewars: < Fizmo> Yes, that's what I am singing. My first metal song where I was doing that :)
21:51:10 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: nice name
21:51:13 #corewars: < Roy> Its really cool!
21:51:17 #corewars: < jakub> I'm starting to download it
21:51:29 #corewars: < jakub> so no applause yet :-p
21:52:10 #corewars: < Roy> It pauzes all the time, stupid site :(
21:52:14 #corewars: < Fizmo> But it has nothing to do with my real voice. I've shifted the formants of my voice digitaly to let it sound different
21:52:29 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, thats adds a cool tone :)
21:53:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> The next song is still in progress. I am still writing the lyrics :)
21:53:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> joonas: Did you saw the r.g.c. posting?
21:54:14 #corewars: < joonas> no.
21:54:23 #corewars: < Fizmo> no?!?
21:54:47 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, check this :) http://www.corewar.info/meeting/index.htm
21:55:01 #corewars: < joonas> it hasn't appeared on corewar-l yet
21:55:04 #corewars: < joonas> yes, I noticed that!
21:55:06 #corewars: < Roy> Voice/Style sounds a bit like Depeche Mode or something...70's
21:55:07 #corewars: < Fizmo> ohh
21:55:44 #corewars: < jakub> erm :)
21:56:10 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, it's a kind of gothic rock
21:57:02 #corewars: < jakub> Roy: don't speak about depeche mode in fron of metal head :)
21:57:08 #corewars: < jakub> hehe
21:57:32 #corewars: < Roy> Well ok, enjoy the silence then ;)
21:57:56 #corewars: < joonas> heh
21:59:06 #corewars:  * Roy is just saying he likes it, I don't care about styles and images
21:59:30 #corewars: < jakub> hmm, I have problems with that site
21:59:33 #corewars: < jakub> :-/
21:59:56 #corewars: < Fizmo> Jakub: here is another song. I tried to upload it to my homepage but it always stoped the upload
22:00:16 #corewars: < Fizmo> here is roughly the half of another song from 1992 ;-)
22:00:16 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://www.corewar.info/music/Lives%20of%20Scorn%20(1992).mp3
22:01:35 #corewars: < joonas> ok, I should go.
22:01:54 #corewars: < joonas> fizmo: when/how did you post your article to rgc?
22:02:01 #corewars: < Roy> ok, me too actualy...drinking a pint with my team mates, no training with my busted knee :(
22:02:43 #corewars: < joonas> owh, how long is that going to mend?
22:02:56 #corewars: < Fizmo> yesterday
22:03:20 #corewars: < Roy> joonas: No idea, have my first fysio appointment tomorrow, that guy will hopefully tell me more then the docter could
22:03:24 #corewars: < joonas> hm. did you try to send it to corewar-l  (and if so, are you on the list?)
22:03:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> I've done it via google
22:03:44 #corewars: < joonas> I think corewar-l drops mails from non-subscribers in the bit bucket.
22:04:00 #corewars: < Fizmo> I got today the first response to that posting
22:04:02 #corewars: < Roy> It takes a few days
22:04:18 #corewars: < joonas> oh, good.
22:05:39 #corewars:  * Roy waves!
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22:05:43 #corewars: < joonas> bye
22:05:48 #corewars: < jakub> bye
22:05:57 #corewars: < joonas> ok, I'm off too.
22:06:08 #corewars: < joonas> fizmo: it has appeared in rgc.
22:06:13 #corewars: < joonas> bye
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22:06:31 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: can you post me the link again, please?
22:06:52 #corewars: < Fizmo> erhm, which one the first or the second
22:07:12 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://www2.mp3.de/musik/bands/de/1/232508?param=1|64&z=1
22:07:16 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://www.corewar.info/music/Lives%20of%20Scorn%20(1992).mp3
22:08:04 #corewars: < jakub> Fizmo: do you have direct link to 1st song?
22:09:10 #corewars: < jakub> 58kB/s ... not bad :)
22:11:15 #corewars: < Fizmo> wait I'll look
22:13:19 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://files.mp3.de/download/mp3de/141369/4dd17ec771316796/de/Sweet_Heart_of_a_Berzerk-Salvation_(pre-release).mp3
22:13:27 #corewars: < Fizmo> this should work
22:13:57 #corewars: < Fizmo> it's the 128kB/s version
22:17:28 #corewars: < Fizmo> does it work?
22:19:01 #corewars: < jakub> yes! tnx
22:20:31 #corewars: < jakub> gotta go
22:20:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok
22:21:35 #corewars: < jakub> bye
22:21:39 #corewars:  * jakub waves
22:21:44 -!- You're now known as jk_log
22:21:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> Roy? Are you around?
22:23:10 #corewars: < Fizmo> ups
22:23:29 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, bye all
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