--- Log opened Fri Jan 23 00:00:03 2004
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14:00:44 #corewars: < Mizcu> http://corewars.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/control.py?action=showwarrior&warriorid=92021ad0f18e36790bb98ff976d68485a7f2e503
14:01:15 #corewars: < Mizcu> (or, just look at cwsf-tinyall)
14:02:12 #corewars: < jaska> not bad.
14:03:15 #corewars: < Mizcu> but _that is a ONESHOT_
14:03:28 #corewars: < Mizcu> first scanner i see to be created by evolving
14:03:37 #corewars: < Mizcu> if that is not seeded evolving
14:04:18 #corewars: < jaska> same thing sits on top of the tiny evolved hill too
14:05:07 #corewars: < Mizcu> having ridicilous lead over the rest
14:05:24 #corewars: < jaska> yeah
14:05:33 #corewars: < jaska> probably the 'best' evolved warrior ive seen
14:06:44 #corewars: < jaska> hmm
14:07:03 #corewars: < jaska> i need to find another box to run evolver on
14:07:17 #corewars: < jaska> or fix something to migrate the evolver between the gcc box and some slower box
14:07:21 #corewars: < jaska> so i can run it all the time
14:08:07 #corewars: < jaska> my marsh herring is dropping :/
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16:04:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> Roy
16:05:04 #corewars: < Roy> Mizcu
16:05:37 #corewars: < Roy> Static is going down again..
16:06:17 #corewars: < Roy> Its was sitting pretty high lately
16:06:55 #corewars: < Mizcu> It depends highly on certain types of scanners on scoring, and the hill has been getting more papers lately
16:08:06 #corewars: < Roy> Yes? only Arctica right..?
16:08:14 #corewars: < Mizcu> and i have a paper brewing myself anyway
16:08:35 #corewars: < Roy> I am just now thinking about making another paper..
16:09:06 #corewars: < Mizcu> devilstick, slime, spiritual black, death of metcalf's willw-derivates
16:09:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> no more pong..
16:09:38 #corewars: < Roy> ah yes, thats too bad
16:10:07 #corewars: < Roy> joonas promised me another warrior from him within two weeks pong perrishes, about time now ;)
16:17:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> Still requires more optimizing, 137 Fiz with 4 randopunch(c) steps tested for bombing :/
16:17:24 #corewars: < Roy> I think thats pretty good for a paper..
16:19:32 #corewars: < Mizcu> (no QS)
16:38:48 #corewars: < Roy> Now I'm curious what it would score on the hill with a q5 attached to it! :P
16:42:09 #corewars: < Mizcu> not enough, too many ties
16:42:50 #corewars: < Roy> That is a big problem... i'm trying to fix that in Devilstick too
16:49:56 #corewars: < Mizcu> But 55 losses out of 75*12 matches on wilfiz w/o qscan is IMHO quite nice
16:50:24 #corewars: < Roy> That is pretty nice, and a qscan will add some wins from those ties
16:50:31 #corewars: < Mizcu> 23/62/15 against R2 :(
16:50:44 #corewars: < Roy> Its a paper killer :(
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18:49:40 #corewars: < grabun> hi?
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19:05:49 #corewars: < grabun> oh hi?
19:08:18 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi
19:09:34 #corewars: < grabun> I am thinking of a new layout for my page
19:09:53 #corewars: < grabun> (or rather: of a layout, for my page does not have one atm)
19:11:28 #corewars: < Mizcu> does it need one anyway
19:12:34 #corewars: < grabun> it'll be cool, no?
19:12:43 #corewars: < grabun> layout = varfar's page
19:18:27 #corewars: < Mizcu> i'll be putting mine page into the web once my perl/html-course is over
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19:55:23 #corewars: < Mizcu> will
19:55:39 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello Mizcu
20:00:00 #corewars: < Mizcu> have you seen the #1 warrior at cwsf-tinyevolved?
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20:09:55 #corewars:  * will_varf goes looks
20:11:03 #corewars: < will_varf> wow!!
20:16:04 #corewars: < Mizcu> either it is evolved with reeaaaally clever settings or it has been done with seeding
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20:35:13 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
20:35:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> FiZ
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20:38:57 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
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20:51:25 #corewars: < Fizmo> still working on some updates of my website
20:57:09 #corewars:  * grabun too!
20:57:19 #corewars: < grabun> I am adding CSS and an easier navigation
20:57:38 #corewars: < grabun> Also, I have few articles to add and description of warriors I've made
20:57:47 #corewars: < Fizmo> hey, nice
20:58:01 #corewars: < grabun> In addition, I will start composing stones comparision, similar to Morrell's book
20:58:15 #corewars: < Fizmo> cool!!!
20:58:39 #corewars: < grabun> Well, this is what I am planning.
20:59:25 #corewars: < willvarfa> hi
20:59:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
21:00:01 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am still downloading the remaining files from geocities
21:01:05 #corewars: < willvarfa> have you got the missed ircts anywhere?
21:01:40 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am still try to collect all irct's
21:02:03 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://www.corewar.info/irct.htm
21:02:11 #corewars: < Fizmo> There are some dates missing
21:03:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> I'm in progress to write for each IRC a page
21:03:18 #corewars: < willvarfa> cool!
21:03:30 #corewars:  * willvarfa likes #29 best, but it 404s ;-/
21:04:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> ?
21:05:12 #corewars: < willvarfa> the one I won, although the page isn't here
21:06:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> Yes, I know. It will appear in the next couple of days
21:06:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> from the last just #30 is online
21:06:58 #corewars: < Fizmo> but very basic
21:11:43 #corewars: < Fizmo> still uploading entries of RFT #4
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21:13:44 #corewars: < Roy> busy... :)
21:13:45 #corewars: < Roy> hi
21:13:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
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21:15:07 #corewars: < Roy> I want to test my new paper....but hotmail isn't working :(
21:16:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> go for yahoo etc.
21:18:18 #corewars: < Roy> nah, I'll just wait until it works again, in the mean time improve the warrior (just curious)
21:21:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> erhmm, Will. Do you have the entries of RFT #11 still available?
21:22:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> I can't find them :-/
21:28:45 #corewars: < Roy> argh...name for paper...think think 
21:29:03 #corewars: < Roy> "papertest" will do for now
21:32:55 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, that is a nice p-space component
21:33:43 #corewars: < will_varf> I don't think so Fizmo; I aren't the model careful keeper of things :-(
21:33:47 #corewars:  * will_varf has to run!
21:33:49 #corewars:  * will_varf *WAVES*
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21:35:59 #corewars: < Fizmo> hey, cool. Nice scoring paper, Roy!!!
21:36:32 #corewars:  * Roy currently optimizing the paper and looking for a stone to attach
21:36:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> is it a pure paper or with a qscanner
21:36:45 #corewars: < Roy> With qscanner of course :)
21:37:03 #corewars: < Roy> (forgot to mention that)
21:37:59 #corewars: < Fizmo> looks like you're using mov.i #1, <1
21:38:13 #corewars: < Roy> Nope, only <2667,<5334 bombs
21:38:30 #corewars: < Roy> ohw yes, and one mov.i # ,<1 bomb yes :)
21:38:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> :)
21:38:54 #corewars: < Roy> both :P
21:41:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> both?!?
21:41:45 #corewars: < Mizcu> hmm.. yees..
21:41:47 #corewars: < Roy> Its sometimes better to use (for example) #5322,<1 (why?)
21:41:49 #corewars: < Fizmo> cool
21:42:05 #corewars: < Mizcu> it could be that i and roy have gotten similiar ideas at same time
21:42:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> hmmm, usually #1 is working best, but there could be some magical numbers
21:43:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> I've never tried
21:43:36 #corewars: < Roy> I normaly use 1, but with devilstick I tried random numbers, and there 1138 came out best
21:45:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> good to know
21:46:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am still working on a 3-stage warrior: stone -> scan -> clear
21:46:17 #corewars: < Roy> Scores well against my paper (damn you!! :P)
21:46:30 #corewars: < Fizmo> :-P
21:47:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> surprisingly, because of the short-interval bombing I usually lose a bit more to paper, because the scanning phase is delayed compared to a normal scanner
21:48:05 #corewars: < Roy> My paper doesn't copy very fast (hint) that may be the reason
21:49:21 #corewars: < Fizmo> ahh, ok. Now the scoring against Numb and Arctica is clear :)
21:49:49 #corewars: < Roy> I'm trying to make my own Metal :P
21:50:54 #corewars: < Fizmo> 6-liner or 8-liner?
21:51:03 #corewars: < Roy> 8-liner, thats the big diff
21:51:12 #corewars: < Roy> with lots and lots of bombing
21:51:22 #corewars: < Fizmo> like Tyrant?
21:51:33 #corewars: < Roy> Uhm...
21:51:33 #corewars: < Roy> like what? :)
21:52:04 #corewars: < Fizmo> in your fsh under pap :)
21:52:04 #corewars: < Roy> yes
21:52:04 #corewars: < Roy> ic
21:52:14 #corewars: < Roy> Paper looks a bit like that
21:52:53 #corewars: < Roy> But mine has a mov.i #1,<1 in the 3rd line
21:52:53 #corewars: < Fizmo> I have another one with an additional spl/mov front-silk
21:53:09 #corewars: < Fizmo> Ah, I see
21:53:10 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, but then it loses its special edge against papers
21:53:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> no, not that much
21:54:07 #corewars: < Roy> in my tests it did, and then there wasn't a good way to implement the mov#<
21:54:09 #corewars: < Fizmo> it has a special edge against cc papers and highly anti-imp optimized papers only
21:54:58 #corewars: < Roy> Argh, stone too strong, paper much to weak :)
21:55:10 #corewars: < Fizmo> :)
21:55:38 #corewars: < Roy> Hehe still scores good with all those scanners
21:55:40 #corewars: < Fizmo> I've tried the Reep way with Tyrants paper, but the stone killed the paper
21:56:22 #corewars: < Fizmo> so, parallel launching with lot of processes for the stone or an additional spl #0 in front of the stone may help
21:56:23 #corewars: < Roy> Heh, WOW those scores are pretty good
21:56:54 #corewars: < Fizmo> hey, not that bad
21:57:45 #corewars: < Fizmo> hehe, but SBD scores nicely against SPtest :-P
21:58:31 #corewars: < Roy> Well, so does Dev and II so I'm not so said about that :)
22:00:59 #corewars: < Roy> Argh! I really don't like Recon2, when I look at the Huge Array, the first line (verticaly) is almost 100% red, except that little blue/greenish square :P
22:03:47 #corewars: < Fizmo> :)
22:04:14 #corewars: < Mizcu> Has anybody had any conversations with K.Hubbard? He has the s/i on sal-b and i believe i havent seen the name anywhere else
22:04:33 #corewars: < Roy> I haven't...
22:04:53 #corewars: < Fizmo> hmm, that name sound familar to me
22:05:56 #corewars: < Fizmo> or not
22:06:07 #corewars: < Mizcu> CW #72 =P
22:07:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> has had a program on Pizza Beginner
22:07:31 #corewars: < Roy> Comes back now? cool
22:08:34 #corewars: < Mizcu> position #4 best achieved, at least on the newsletter
22:10:21 #corewars: < Mizcu> google found a NG message from 1999
22:10:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> he, the time I've first released The Stormbringer
22:21:08 #corewars: < Mizcu> Hmm.. feel like sending something to sal-b  
22:21:29 #corewars: < Roy> Hmmm, I'll kill numb2, my new stonepaper is pretty much the same scores and uses the same stone (diff paper of course)
22:21:40 #corewars: < Roy> Miz: Test your paper there
22:21:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> Roy: i would consider than unfair
22:22:40 #corewars: < Roy> Ok, send it to koth.org then as a test, I garantee it will get on the hill (as i'm now creating a free spot there)
22:23:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> It is still under optimization and i wont be sending it before its ready. 
22:23:23 #corewars: < Roy> ohw :( Im curious :P
22:23:40 #corewars: < Roy> I always send tests, just to see if i'm looking in the right direction
22:24:50 #corewars: < Roy> :o!
22:25:08 #corewars: < Roy> doesn't ;kill something /n ;kill someotherthing work?
22:25:49 #corewars: < Mizcu> Curiosity killed the cat
22:26:07 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, but didn't kill my warrior! eeeeek!
22:28:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> just kill one with a dat entry
22:29:11 #corewars: < Roy> I did, see the dats in the queue, but I killed saturn 3 now :( and maybe (if it still doesn't work DandelionII)
22:30:29 #corewars: < Fizmo> :(
22:31:35 #corewars:  * Roy hopes not :(
22:32:12 #corewars: < Roy> Fizmo/LG you kill all your own warrior with ;kill accidents, I kill yours :(
22:33:16 #corewars: < Roy> brb
22:33:19 #corewars: < Roy> can't look
22:33:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> phew, sptest will be killed :)
22:34:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> if you klick on it it will give an internal error message, that means it will be killed
22:35:57 #corewars: < grabun> Page will updated in three minutes
22:35:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> Maybe i'll do a p-switcher for sal-b,  vamp and an old-style paper =P
22:36:02 #corewars: < grabun> Not all changes are made
22:36:04 #corewars: < grabun> so beware
22:37:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> I'll have a look then
22:38:46 #corewars: < grabun> Done
22:38:56 #corewars: < grabun> It is buggy with broken links
22:39:02 #corewars: < grabun> Beware as I told
22:41:12 #corewars: < Fizmo> nice design
22:42:18 #corewars: < grabun> Thanks
22:42:42 #corewars: < grabun> Well, at least it works
22:42:44 #corewars: < grabun> Phew
22:43:10 #corewars: < grabun> I will add: description of my warriors and stone chapter
22:44:31 #corewars: < Roy> Looks nice lg (back!)
22:44:32 #corewars: < grabun> OK, time I went.
22:44:36 #corewars: < grabun> Thanks Roy
22:44:41 #corewars: < grabun> Good night
22:44:43 #corewars:  * grabun waves
22:44:44 #corewars: < Roy> phew! Dand survived :)
22:44:46 #corewars:  * Roy waves
22:44:47 #corewars:  * Fizmo waves
22:45:18 #corewars: < Roy> ok, now for a name....
22:45:21 #corewars: < Roy> think think
22:46:41 #corewars: < Roy> http://personal.www.umich.edu/~mule/smurfgen.html
22:46:59 #corewars: < Roy> Stone Paper becomes: Jurassic Smurf
22:47:02 #corewars: < Roy> ok :)
22:51:29 #corewars: < Fizmo> :)
22:52:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> hey, you've killed Numb 2
22:53:48 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, they score very much the same, and use the same stone, this paper has more potential
22:54:28 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, then I can send a test warrior
22:54:30 #corewars: < Roy> Hmm, the warrior I send as hill-filling is only 110 chars :P (work in progress)
22:54:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> ;-)
22:54:39 #corewars: < Roy> You can send Saturn 3 again
22:54:58 #corewars: < Fizmo> not yet, needs some more development
22:55:28 #corewars: < Roy> My email has delays again....send it 5 minutes ago, not yet in the queue
22:57:25 #corewars: < Roy> And just after your scan hits the queue mine does, now I have to wait even longer :)
22:57:32 #corewars: < Fizmo> it appears
22:57:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> but behind mine
22:58:03 #corewars: < Roy> eeeeeekkk!! kill it kill it! :( it slaughters Devilstick
22:58:37 #corewars: < Roy> It might lose its nice 37 in a row #1 place now :)
22:59:25 #corewars: < Roy> hmm...Ironic on top again...how ironic, didnt see that comming :)
22:59:30 #corewars: < Fizmo> II is koth
23:01:40 #corewars: < Roy> But its a nice scanner it beats papers very well
23:01:57 #corewars: < Roy> (good p-space component with my new paper!)
23:02:09 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes, but it lose to much against s/i's :-/
23:02:37 #corewars: < Roy> My paper beats those :P
23:02:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> It's my scanner component for p-spacers :)
23:03:41 #corewars: < Roy> heh, II got a little boost there, the hill has shifted a bit
23:04:12 #corewars: < Roy> Good time to enter a stone I should say :)
23:07:18 #corewars: < Fizmo> :)
23:07:55 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am still at 95 chars
23:08:20 #corewars: < Roy> I have a 110 char scanner (see hill)
23:08:43 #corewars: < Roy> And working on something special (83 chars now, could expend)
23:10:35 #corewars: < Roy> This scanner I just send it optimized specialy against wilfiz, scores better then reep does against it :)
23:11:21 #corewars: < Roy> (Thats where I hope to score points)
23:14:51 #corewars: < Roy> Heh, when optimizing look at this: -10 is more chars then a single letter label
23:15:08 #corewars: < Roy> (that is two chars instead of three)
23:16:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes, I know :)
23:16:43 #corewars: < Fizmo> A really crazy way of optimizing, hehe
23:16:54 #corewars: < Roy> yay! first time I'm #1/#2 on koth!
23:17:09 #corewars:  * Roy is now King and Queen of the hill :)
23:17:10 #corewars: < Fizmo> congrats
23:17:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, let's wait how long it lasts. I've sent something ;-)
23:17:46 #corewars: < Roy> thanks :) its all beacause of our scanners, so won't last long
23:17:58 #corewars: < Mizcu> darnit, the more i try to improve this vamp, the worse it works
23:18:10 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am a bit currious how this will score
23:18:12 #corewars: < Roy> as long as the "test" isn't a paper I could be saved
23:18:31 #corewars: < Roy> Mizcu: Did you see Dracula 2003's code? also a vamp, is on koenigstuhl
23:18:37 #corewars: < Fizmo> try to guess the strategy :)
23:18:57 #corewars: < Roy> its uhm a...uhm...paper?
23:18:58 #corewars: < Fizmo> it's a quite unusual one
23:19:19 #corewars: < Roy> unusual eh? uuhh....scan/paper :)
23:19:24 #corewars: < Fizmo> I haven't a clue how it will score
23:19:43 #corewars: < Roy> clear?
23:19:46 #corewars: < Roy> vamp?
23:19:52 #corewars: < Roy> incr bomber?
23:19:57 #corewars: < Fizmo> it's a kind of scan/imp
23:20:07 #corewars: < Roy> ah, nice :
23:20:28 #corewars: < Roy> scan+imp or scan -> clear+imp?
23:21:31 #corewars: < Roy> you only really hurt quirk
23:22:31 #corewars: < Roy> and my scanner ;)
23:23:04 #corewars: < Roy> argh, you koth again, but it wasn't a succesfull challenge :P
23:23:19 #corewars: < Roy> #2/#3/#4....thats also my first time :)
23:23:52 #corewars: < Fizmo> it's a multi-process dodger followed by d-clear/imps
23:24:43 #corewars: < Mizcu> Go figure, almost +50 wins from papers, but -28 from pswing
23:25:57 #corewars: < Mizcu> (answer: pswing is very delicate about its opponent with its scan/bomb-pattern)
23:26:12 #corewars: < Fizmo> pswing?
23:26:27 #corewars: < Roy> Porch Swing
23:26:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> I know ;-)
23:26:51 #corewars: < Roy> why ask :P
23:27:05 #corewars: < Mizcu> just making something for sal-b, thats why ancient benchmark
23:27:11 #corewars: < Fizmo> ah, ok
23:27:39 #corewars: < Fizmo> pwsing is a quite ancient warrior, I didn't expected that someone looks at this code
23:28:01 #corewars: < Roy> pswing is pretty sweet, you should try it on the current hill, I bet it could beat the Cure
23:28:38 #corewars: < Roy> add a boot, qscan, optimize constants, clean the code....new tricks....koth :)
23:29:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> too big for boot, qscan not good with scan, especially with stone/oneshot
23:29:40 #corewars: < Mizcu> optimization required: a LOT
23:29:44 #corewars: < Mizcu> clean the code:  YES
23:31:40 #corewars: < Fizmo> What about a semi-intelligent scanner 
23:31:52 #corewars: < Roy> I tried that....didn't work
23:32:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> me too -> Argon
23:32:37 #corewars: < Roy> Mine had: -1,0,1 protection (didn't scan those) launched a paper when stone detected, also wipe (big massive code, didn't work, but was nice coding experience)
23:33:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hey, I could try Argon for 94nop :)
23:33:13 #corewars: < Fizmo> wait a moment, I'll send it :)
23:33:16 #corewars: < Roy> yeah, its still on the beginners hill
23:33:29 #corewars: < Roy> what does it make it smart?
23:33:42 #corewars: < Mizcu> if tries to detect bombs
23:33:44 #corewars: < Mizcu> it
23:33:53 #corewars: < Mizcu> if found -> paper
23:34:02 #corewars: < Roy> ah yes, mine did that too
23:35:28 #corewars: < Fizmo> it has also a decoy detection. But I think one could also delete that
23:41:51 #corewars: < Roy> going to bed now, cheers guys!
23:42:00 #corewars:  * Fizmo waves
23:42:00 #corewars:  * Roy waves
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23:42:14 #corewars: < Fizmo> I think I also go
23:42:19 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye
23:42:23 #corewars: < Mizcu> bye
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