--- Log opened Wed Jan 21 00:00:35 2004
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00:19:03 #corewars: < willvarfa> back
00:19:36 #corewars: < joonas> welcome
00:23:10 #corewars: < willvarfa> thank you :-)
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09:59:49 #corewars: < willvarfa> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3414593.stm <-- priorities straight, obviously
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12:44:15 #corewars: < will_varf> another silly link for the curious log watchers: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/35014.html
12:45:26 #corewars: < Mizcu> hee
12:47:39 #corewars: < will_varf> oh the boy racers going out to buy those fast cars..
12:48:56 #corewars: < Mizcu> i wonder how far their speedmeter goes before going over
12:49:16 #corewars: < Mizcu> "-32000 km/hour"
12:49:52 #corewars: < Mizcu> (the prankster just woke up, nothing special)
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12:52:53 #corewars: < willvarfa> sup Mizcu?
12:53:00 #corewars: < Mizcu> not really much
12:53:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> had reply from Lachi
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12:55:44 #corewars: < willvarfa> he like your warrior?
12:55:49 #corewars: < willvarfa> and are you going to publish it?
12:57:16 #corewars: < Mizcu> No, just said that he now understands the difference between os/scanner and thanked for my explanation
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13:00:47 #corewars: < Mizcu> ah, the next shift has arrived. Time for me to go catch a bus
13:00:57 #corewars: < willvarfa> lol
13:00:59 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello roy
13:01:33 #corewars: < Roy> Heh, hi will, bye mizcu
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13:15:36 #corewars: < willvarfa> sup?
13:19:00 #corewars: < Roy> nothing really...have no hummus to make anything
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13:45:37 #corewars:  * will_varf yawns
13:45:39 #corewars: < will_varf> tempted to play with table scanners
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13:47:58 #corewars:  * Roy is back
13:47:58 #corewars: < Roy> (internet connection was gone)
13:48:42 #corewars: < will_varf> know that feeling..
13:48:59 #corewars: < Roy> Yeah, you have it a bit more often then me :)
13:49:10 #corewars: < Roy> Still no cure found for that call?
13:49:21 #corewars: < Roy> (to the remote server)
13:51:05 #corewars: < will_varf> change isps..
13:51:35 #corewars: < Roy> Hmm...
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14:04:46 #corewars: < willvarfa> bbs
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17:03:40 #corewars: < jk_log> hello
17:04:03 #corewars: < jk_log> just popped to show you something amazing: http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=2acebd3742839617f892a0d62ed83e6a&threadid=98700
17:04:07 #corewars: < jk_log> bbl
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17:26:20 #corewars:  * willvarfa waves at the passing jk_log
17:28:14 #corewars: < willvarfa> wow, that cgtalk link is fantastic!
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18:16:21 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
18:16:51 #corewars: < bvowk> 10:20AM  up 728 days, 22:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.12, 0.10, 0.08
18:16:54 #corewars: < bvowk> woo!
18:17:05 #corewars: < bvowk> 10:43AM  up 487 days, 19:58, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
18:17:11 #corewars: < bvowk> thats not half bad either :)
18:20:46 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello bvowk
18:20:49 #corewars: < willvarfa> sup?
18:20:51 #corewars: < bvowk> hello wil
18:20:53 #corewars: < bvowk> not much
18:21:22 #corewars: < bvowk> just trying not to gut some faculty here
18:21:32 #corewars: < willvarfa> ?
18:22:27 #corewars: < bvowk> this one guy paid $8 for a network card, and now that its failing, blames my switches instead
18:22:53 #corewars: < bvowk> because my insanely expensive switches are obviously the likely point of failure in the chain right?
18:23:01 #corewars: < willvarfa> oh obviously
18:23:07 #corewars: < willvarfa> I am in the same position
18:23:39 #corewars: < willvarfa> my $50 dlink fw is beyond my suspicions as to my net woes ;-D
18:24:50 #corewars: < bvowk> heh
18:25:13 #corewars: < bvowk> I'm having problems getting my home box and my home firewall to chat happily with automagically keyed ipsec for some reason
18:25:26 #corewars: < bvowk> its quite irritating
18:26:02 #corewars: < bvowk> I think it might be time to pick up some nice soekris gear and shrink my home gateway down
18:26:12 #corewars: < bvowk> (with crypto accel!)
18:28:05 #corewars: < willvarfa> so you know the going price for crpyto coprocessors?
18:29:54 #corewars: < bvowk> www.soekris.com :)
18:31:09 #corewars:  * willvarfa was wondering about ibm pci cards, tamperproof etc
18:33:31 #corewars: < bvowk> something like the 1411?
18:34:21 #corewars: < willvarfa> 1411?
18:34:45 #corewars: < willvarfa> like a 4758, but IBM don't seem to just sell them online with a nice price label for the curious
18:35:01 #corewars: < bvowk> yeah, the 1411 is soekris's 7955 based crypto accel board
18:35:17 #corewars: < bvowk> in pci and minipci format
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18:36:04 #corewars: < will_varf> ah, yeap, that kind of thing; but tamper-responding
18:37:37 #corewars: < will_varf> soekris seems good
18:37:49 #corewars: < will_varf> you brought 1411s from them?
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18:40:59 #corewars: < bvowk> no, but I know people on campus who have 
18:41:25 #corewars: < bvowk> (I'm planning on buying 4 of them in march tho
18:41:51 #corewars: < will_varf> for ssh accel?
18:42:27 #corewars: < bvowk> no, ipsec accel
18:42:57 #corewars: < will_varf> ah
18:43:16 #corewars: < will_varf> I was just curious how much that kind of board costs
18:44:41 #corewars: < bvowk> there's a price sheet online there
18:45:11 #corewars: < will_varf> for their boxes, I see; but can't spot the 1411 there though
18:47:02 #corewars: < bvowk> the 1401 is on there
18:47:29 #corewars: < will_varf> ah thanks
18:47:32 #corewars: < will_varf> not so shocking
18:47:33 #corewars: < bvowk> sorry, the 1411 is the minipci verion
18:47:37 #corewars: < will_varf> good site :-)
18:47:45 #corewars:  * bvowk wonders
18:47:58 #corewars: < bvowk> on my notebook, code runs happily for days
18:48:07 #corewars: < bvowk> on my dual athlon, code runs happily for days
18:48:16 #corewars: < bvowk> on my opterons, I get NaNs
18:48:26 #corewars:  * bvowk doesn't know wtf is going on.
18:50:36 #corewars: < will_varf> hmm
18:50:58 #corewars:  * will_varf thinks he saw something about precision on opterons..
18:51:58 #corewars: < bvowk> got an url?
18:52:13 #corewars: < will_varf> "Floating point implementations on 64-bit systems with 64-bit FPUs are actually more prone to rounding errors than x87"
18:52:18 #corewars: < will_varf> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=5696
18:52:26 #corewars: < will_varf> that is hardly an authoritive source ;-)
18:52:35 #corewars: < will_varf> funny the things I remember reading..
18:57:57 #corewars: < bvowk> I don't think my problem is rounding error
18:58:05 #corewars: < bvowk> at least it shouldn't be, I'm not doing anything strange
19:04:56 #corewars:  * bvowk wonders
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19:11:40 #corewars: < willvarfa> back
19:11:49 #corewars: < willvarfa> so you using 'double'?
19:15:45 #corewars: < bvowk> yeah, I'm using double
19:16:09 #corewars: < willvarfa> and on the opteron, how big is that?
19:16:35 #corewars:  * willvarfa wonders what sizeof(double) on the various machines is
19:17:38 #corewars: < bvowk> well, I'm running in 32bit mode, so it should be 32bits
19:17:50 #corewars: < bvowk> erm 64 bits
19:18:01 #corewars: < bvowk> but let me just check that
19:20:36 #corewars: < bvowk> float is 4 bytes
19:20:36 #corewars: < bvowk> double is 8 bytes
19:22:18 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm, the float version gets the same errors on the o :/
19:23:48 #corewars: < willvarfa> well my double is 8 too
19:23:56 #corewars: < willvarfa> do you have any -march= lines?
19:24:25 #corewars: < bvowk> nope
19:24:39 #corewars: < bvowk> and I've tried every combination I can think of too
19:24:51 #corewars: < bvowk> works perfectly on all my other boxes, NAN on the opterons
19:25:25 #corewars: < willvarfa> hmm, I am leading you on a red herring
19:25:38 #corewars: < willvarfa> on my box, regardless of -march=pentium4, double is 64bits only
19:26:21 #corewars: < bvowk> where are we going on this red herring?
19:26:26 #corewars: < bvowk> is it some place warm?
19:26:57 #corewars: < willvarfa> I wish
19:27:01 #corewars: < willvarfa> bit cold here
19:27:07 #corewars: < willvarfa> worse in alberta, I bet
19:35:18 #corewars: < bvowk> fsck, compiler bug.
19:35:42 #corewars: < bvowk> same code w/ 3.3.2 = goodness 3.3.1 = badness (but only on the opteron)
19:36:13 #corewars: < willvarfa> cool, so fixed then
19:37:05 #corewars: < bvowk> looks like it
20:07:53 #corewars: < willvarfa> brb
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20:14:33 #corewars: < willvarfa> back (obviously)
20:24:05 #corewars: < willvarfa> so barkley, I reckon you ought to publish an evolved warrior
20:31:07 #corewars: < bvowk> coming :)
20:31:30 #corewars: < willvarfa> maybe debut one in CW?
20:31:53 #corewars: < bvowk> CS and I are working on that
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20:33:54 #corewars: < will_varf> cool!
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20:34:51 #corewars: < Roy> Hello
20:34:59 #corewars: < Roy> One quick question! :)
20:35:07 #corewars: < bvowk> no!
20:35:14 #corewars: < Roy> Did you see rnd16 rules?
20:35:14 #corewars: < bvowk> (one quick answer)
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20:35:28 #corewars: < will_varf> hello Roy
20:35:29 #corewars: < Roy> argh, three questions then :P
20:35:38 #corewars: < will_varf> rnd16 is a great idea!
20:36:04 #corewars: < Roy> is a for loop rolled out, or does fiz just count the chars "for 10" :)
20:36:58 #corewars: < will_varf> lol
20:37:01 #corewars: < will_varf> good point!
20:37:18 #corewars: < Roy> and important!
20:37:35 #corewars: < Roy> could save my warrior up to 50 chars :P
20:39:56 #corewars: < Roy> I already mailed chris, but hoped one of you knew :)
20:40:02 #corewars: < Roy> gotta go now, training!
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