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13:42:39 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello Roy :-)
13:42:54 #corewars: < Roy> Hi
13:49:37 #corewars: < willvarfa> sup?
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13:55:53 #corewars: < Roy> not much...with you?
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14:00:21 #corewars: < will_varf> too much real work and not enough interesting stuff!
14:00:23 #corewars: < will_varf> brb
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14:04:47 #corewars: < Roy> Yeah, real work is bleh :(
14:04:53 #corewars: < willvarfa> exactly
14:08:07 #corewars: < Roy> good thing I don't have to do that, enjoying school now, while I still can
14:23:25 #corewars: < willvarfa> yeah, thats the spirit!
14:23:42 #corewars: < willvarfa> we tell you that it is the best days of your life, but you won't belief it..
14:23:44 #corewars: < Roy> I know :) working on CW almost fulltime now ;)
14:23:49 #corewars: < willvarfa> you lucky s*d!!!
14:24:01 #corewars: < willvarfa> btw I aren't travelling to holland this month after all
14:24:13 #corewars: < Roy> I believe it, I worked for about a year really hard, and now back to school again
14:24:18 #corewars: < willvarfa> which is fortunate from the work perspective, although not from the meeting people perspective
14:24:35 #corewars: < Roy> Alright, good for you then ;)
14:26:02 #corewars: < Roy> I'm currently working on something new, specialy made for the draft hill, but could also do well on NOP, its Devilsticks paper with a stone :)
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14:27:13 #corewars: < will_varf> brb
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14:37:08 #corewars: < willvarfa> back
14:37:13 #corewars: < Roy> ic :)
14:38:59 #corewars: < Roy> look in the queue, could be the new koth soon :)
14:52:22 #corewars: < Roy> Why do those multiwarriorX battles take soooo long :(
14:53:18 #corewars: < willvarfa> tell me when it's graded :-)
14:54:02 #corewars: < Roy> Heh, its now going to fight soon, but I already have a better optimized version scoring 9462 instead of this one (9257)
14:55:07 #corewars: < willvarfa> wow
14:55:15 #corewars:  * willvarfa hopes Roy is KOTH
14:55:47 #corewars: < Roy> I already AM koth, that won't change ;)
14:56:30 #corewars: < willvarfa> crikey!
14:56:33 #corewars: < Roy> But this warrior has one big weakness, its beaten by papers, so that will hopefully get more papers on the hill, we need them
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14:57:50 #corewars: < Roy> Hello
14:58:13 #corewars: < Aristotle> hi
14:58:36 #corewars: < Aristotle> saw the online irc log and thought i'd chip in :)
14:59:29 #corewars: < Roy> Welcome :) so the logs are working again! (didn't work yesterday)
14:59:51 #corewars: < Aristotle> Roy: multiwarrior battles naturally take a while: more warriors = more processes to get cycles; also more warriors = takes longer for everyone to die, if they do; and of course these factors multiply
15:00:33 #corewars: < Roy> Yess, but that whole hill is filled with tying papers -> full lenght battles
15:00:40 #corewars: < Roy> Its not fun anymore to fight there...
15:01:06 #corewars: < Aristotle> heh
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15:01:46 #corewars: < Aristotle> hmm that bot should log joins/parts/quits..
15:02:21 #corewars: < Roy> I think it did that before...I miss that too
15:08:02 #corewars: < Roy> But, how is your redcoding comming along?
15:08:32 #corewars: < Aristotle> I haven't done anything in ages
15:08:49 #corewars: < Aristotle> I'm not sure when I'm going to try much redcoding either
15:09:01 #corewars: < Aristotle> I'm more likely to finally get around to the tools though
15:10:11 #corewars: < Aristotle> cwrandom has been sitting around unfinished for ages, cwbench could use a few more ideas, and I was going to write a tool that uses them both to provide neat HTML reports on a population of constant-randomized identical warriors
15:10:37 #corewars: < Roy> Aha, that sounds nice
15:11:53 #corewars: < Aristotle> then there was the tabledriven scanner I had plans to write together with grabun ages ago; he said he didn't have the time anymore, so I was going to try this myself
15:12:41 #corewars: < Aristotle> but for that I'll probably want the utilities written first because such a scanner would basically consist of hundreds of constants (even though they're probably going to follow a pattern)
15:13:10 #corewars: < Aristotle> and I don't think I see myself choosing two dozen constants by hand
15:13:32 #corewars: < Roy> Yeah...but why a table scanner, I think some people tried it and it didn't work for them
15:13:43 #corewars: < Aristotle> one word: 2c
15:14:01 #corewars: < Aristotle> sustained
15:14:16 #corewars: < Roy> Ok, but I already tried it, I made a big version of JM's tiny warrior Tablescan
15:14:25 #corewars: < Roy> That didn't work well
15:14:31 #corewars: < Aristotle> what was your speed?
15:14:41 #corewars: < Aristotle> how did your table look?
15:15:08 #corewars: < Aristotle> basically a tablescanner can follow any scanning strategy you want just by altering the table, too
15:15:26 #corewars: < Aristotle> I don't know. I want to try this before I dismiss it
15:16:48 #corewars: < Roy> I don't know exacly at what speed it went, but probebly 1C, how are you going to make it 2c?
15:17:04 #corewars: < Aristotle> by using a huge table, basically
15:17:22 #corewars: < Roy> But how!? :)
15:19:27 #corewars: < Aristotle> hmm. was it only 1c after all?? maybe i misremember
15:20:10 #corewars: < Roy> How does you scanner look?
15:20:12 #corewars: < Aristotle> what I have is sne/djn/jmn
15:20:21 #corewars: < Aristotle> 1c it seems
15:21:00 #corewars: < Roy> You can make something faster then that...but then you get a qscan (only 100 lines instead of the 30/40 now)
15:22:44 #corewars: < Aristotle> 2c would be possible with instructions suggested during a proposition discussion I made long long ago
15:23:12 #corewars: < Aristotle> which would be JNE / JEQ, which work doubly indirect
15:23:37 #corewars: < Aristotle> yeah, you can make a qscan that's faster than 1c, but you cannot loop that code
15:23:52 #corewars: < Aristotle> so you can only scan maybe 100 locations at 1.66c
15:24:04 #corewars: < Aristotle> while you could scan the entire core at 1c
15:25:57 #corewars: < Roy> Hmm,I have an idea, wait one sec, I'll test it before bragging :)
15:31:18 #corewars: < Roy> Nah, its impossible..
15:31:38 #corewars: < Roy> I was thinking SNE/SEQ/JMP attack/DJN.F but you can't make it :)
15:36:29 #corewars: < Aristotle> nope. I tried for a long time. you cannot scan at a sustained rate of more than 1c in icws94
15:36:47 #corewars: < Aristotle> you'd need more flexible instructions than sne/seq to do so
15:37:11 #corewars: < Aristotle> that was what the jne/jeq from way back when where about
15:37:15 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, but not faster then 1c is a good thing :)
15:37:25 #corewars: < Aristotle> i dont know
15:38:42 #corewars: < Aristotle> the fact that branching logic is expensive is, trivially obvious, the reason that fast, inflexible warriors dominate
15:53:57 #corewars: < Aristotle> laters
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16:16:38 #corewars: < willvarfa> back
16:16:45 #corewars: < willvarfa> Roy, did it make it to koth?
16:16:56 #corewars: < Roy> Yes 6th place
16:17:03 #corewars: < Roy> Not as good as I hoped :(
16:17:19 #corewars: < Roy> (scored better then Devilstick in the benchmark)
16:17:35 #corewars: < Roy> I need a better benchmark :) (with less scanners and more papers)
16:19:30 #corewars: < Roy> Almost time to go now, just send Devilstick to the draft hill as a little test
16:26:58 #corewars: < Roy> gotta go now
16:27:01 #corewars: < Roy> cheers!
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18:34:45 #corewars: < will_varf> hello joonas
18:34:47 #corewars: < will_varf> how are things?
18:35:27 #corewars: < joonas> hi will
18:35:32 #corewars: < joonas> good, thanks.
18:35:33 #corewars: < joonas> and you?
18:37:20 #corewars: < grabun> fine, thanks
18:38:36 #corewars: < joonas> just looking over todays slashdot stories
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18:39:13 #corewars: < Roy> hello
18:39:16 #corewars: < joonas> hi roy
18:39:22 #corewars:  * Roy is happy :)
18:39:51 #corewars: < joonas> why?
18:39:54 #corewars: < grabun> Had a good blowjo^Wmeal?
18:40:09 #corewars: < Roy> Devilstick wins from almost all warriors on the Draft hill, only ties against Netpaper
18:40:28 #corewars: < Roy> And just cooked myself an very good meal ;)
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18:42:05 #corewars:  * grabun has terrible ache in his legs
18:42:17 #corewars: < Roy> And about the blow thingy, maybe in about an hour, going to my girlfriend soon :)
18:43:05 #corewars: < grabun> yuck
18:43:25 #corewars: < grabun> Where's Metcalf?
18:43:28 #corewars: < grabun> Is he alive?
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18:44:00 #corewars: < Roy> Whats with your legs lukasz?
18:44:40 #corewars: < grabun> I had a walk today, long one. I passed my *last* exam (not the graduation one, however) and I am ready for graduation exam
18:45:24 #corewars: < Roy> Congratulations then, and good luck with the graduation now
18:45:49 #corewars: < grabun> tx
18:46:01 #corewars: < grabun> Now I have *plenty* of free time
18:46:59 #corewars: < Roy> Don't know if that is good or bad news for us :)
18:47:10 #corewars: < Roy> Definedly is for you ;)
18:47:49 #corewars: < Roy> *Definitly  (can't spell..)
18:48:50 #corewars: < grabun> I am to write an article about Crackling Ice. Many newbies around.
18:49:46 #corewars: < grabun> Kendall posted a msg to the NG
18:49:47 #corewars: < grabun> hm
18:51:33 #corewars: < Roy> :( its not on Google newsgroups yet
18:51:43 #corewars: < Roy> I'll read it later, gotta go now!
18:51:59 #corewars:  * Roy is looking forward on the article (I'm still ne newbie too)
18:52:06 #corewars: < willvarfa> cya Roy
18:52:15 #corewars: < Roy> on->to....looking forwars TO!! (I'm dumb..)
18:52:47 #corewars: < Roy> *forward
18:52:55 #corewars: < Roy> *sigh*
18:52:58 #corewars:  * Roy waves!
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18:53:23 #corewars:  * joonas waves (too late)
18:55:21 #corewars: < grabun> so, what are we up to?
18:59:32 #corewars: < joonas> we're printing out specs
18:59:41 #corewars: < joonas> oh, the excitement! :-/
19:00:01 #corewars: < joonas> hey, we could do a group update of the FAQ.
19:00:21 #corewars: < joonas> any takers?
19:00:49 #corewars: < joonas> this was proposed earlier today or yesterday also by Mizcu, I think.
19:04:10 #corewars: < grabun> sure
19:04:16 #corewars: < grabun> everything was by Mizcu
19:04:19 #corewars: < grabun> *humph*
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19:07:33 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi...
19:07:39 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes, I'm still alive. :-)
19:07:48 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello!
19:07:51 #corewars: < grabun> Hi!!!!
19:07:54 #corewars: < CoreChild> caffeine-powered.com/chat is down :-/
19:07:56 #corewars: < joonas> hi
19:08:01 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Will, Lukasz.
19:08:14 #corewars: < CoreChild> Group update of the FAQ would be good.
19:08:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> Just checking my email.
19:08:29 #corewars: < grabun> Yeah, it needs to be updated
19:08:31 #corewars: < CoreChild> Here for 40 minutes or so
19:09:00 #corewars: < grabun> Great
19:10:00 #corewars: < CoreChild> Difficult to get here until I find another webIRC
19:10:27 #corewars: < grabun> Do you need web based IRC client?
19:10:41 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes :-)
19:10:59 #corewars: < CoreChild> So I can visit here from the library which doesn't have any IRC software installed
19:11:42 #corewars: < grabun> ic
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19:12:33 #corewars: < joonas> wb
19:13:04 #corewars: < CoreChild> It is possible, by the way, to scan 1c with a table scan, with the table half the size ;-)
19:13:19 #corewars:  * CoreChild saw Roy talking about table scans
19:13:30 #corewars: < CoreChild> (Left as an exercise)
19:13:35 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Joonas
19:13:36 #corewars: < joonas> I saw that too.
19:13:43 #corewars: < grabun> LOL
19:14:06 #corewars: < joonas> someone mentioned being able to scan 1c sustained using a table scan, but I don't get it.
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19:15:17 #corewars: < CoreChild> See my tiny warrior, Table Scan
19:17:45 #corewars: < joonas> ok, I'm looking at tablescan.
19:18:05 #corewars: < joonas> it doesn't seem to do a sustained 1c scan.
19:18:17 #corewars: < joonas> only scans 22 locations, no?
19:19:20 #corewars: < joonas> or was that not what you were referring to?
19:19:26 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hmmm...  22 * 20 max length = 440 out of 780 locations.  So it has an above 50% chance of finding the opponent (if it is maxlength)
19:19:39 #corewars: < CoreChild> Bigger table = more locations scanned.
19:20:14 #corewars: < joonas> right, I get that.
19:20:15 #corewars: < CoreChild> Or, you can change the loop slightly and scan twice as many locations with the same length table ;-)
19:21:05 #corewars: < joonas> ok, that's just teasing!
19:22:17 #corewars: < CoreChild> Well, it isn't a very big change...
19:22:25 #corewars: < joonas> does it remain a 1c scan?
19:22:30 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes
19:23:54 #corewars: < joonas> in a table scan you're doing indirect scans through the table, so if you want to scan different cells, you're going to have to modify the table.
19:23:59 #corewars: < joonas> hm.
19:24:49 #corewars: < joonas> add / sne / jmz -2
19:24:52 #corewars: < joonas> no
19:25:19 #corewars: < will_varf> using >?
19:25:37 #corewars:  * joonas breaks out the editor
19:27:57 #corewars: < joonas> ok, how about something like this:
19:28:12 #corewars: < joonas> sne@ptr,}ptr; 2
19:28:12 #corewars: < joonas> add.finc,@ptr
19:28:12 #corewars: < joonas> sne>ptr,*ptr; 2
19:28:12 #corewars: < joonas> jmz-3,}ptr; 1
19:28:28 #corewars: < joonas> damn tabs
19:28:35 #corewars: < CoreChild> Something like that :-)
19:29:03 #corewars: < CoreChild> still need the djn
19:30:12 #corewars: < joonas> but can't it drop through when the last jmz -3, }ptr makes ptr 0,0
19:30:30 #corewars: < CoreChild> I don't think I drop through anyway.
19:30:56 #corewars: < joonas> (ptr is a pair of pointers to the scan table)
19:31:10 #corewars: < CoreChild> I drop through when I detect something.  The last table entry points somewhere where it is guarenteed to find something
19:31:37 #corewars: < joonas> doh!  of course. disregard what I said.
19:32:27 #corewars: < joonas> that's enough redcoding for the day.
19:32:30 #corewars: < joonas> for me.
19:32:56 #corewars:  * joonas is all sweaty and out of breath
19:33:11 #corewars: < grabun> lol
19:33:20 #corewars: < CoreChild> Joonas: is there a well known online book about the art of writing text adventures?
19:33:32 #corewars: < will_varf> so where can I find out more about table scanners?
19:35:07 #corewars: < joonas> corechild: yes & no.  "Inform Designer's Manual, 4 ed." has a good chapter or two on the adventuring parts.  also have a look at the TADS 2 manual that's got a great advisory section, and the "Inform Beginner's Manual" that's more down to earth than
19:35:09 #corewars: < CoreChild> Erm, no-where :-(  It's in Table Scan and Floody River
19:35:44 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hmmm :-(  I though someone well known had an online book.  Must have been thinking of something else.
19:35:48 #corewars: < joonas> corechild: IDM, 4ed.   There's an I-F Theory book in the making, but it's not out yet.
19:35:59 #corewars: < CoreChild> Thanks
19:36:08 #corewars: < joonas> corechild: the first 3 books I mentioned are all on-line.
19:36:41 #corewars: < joonas> also subscribe to rec.arts.int-fiction
19:36:56 #corewars:  * CoreChild is playing in British Legends at the moment
19:36:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> http://british-legends.com/beginner.htm#1.2%20Direct%20Connections
19:37:05 #corewars: < grabun> hm
19:37:21 #corewars: < CoreChild> The original mud, from the 1970's.  Very popular
19:37:32 #corewars: < grabun> oh
19:38:04 #corewars:  * joonas wanders off to find a faster printer
19:39:24 #corewars: < grabun> ok
19:39:31 #corewars:  * grabun is to program new 88 warrior
19:39:33 #corewars: < grabun> yuck
19:39:47 #corewars: < grabun> is there a good benchmarking program?
19:40:27 #corewars: < CoreChild> Moore made an '88 benchmark.
19:40:33 #corewars: < CoreChild> I just use MTS
19:40:57 #corewars: < CoreChild> What happened to Michal's warriors?
19:40:59 #corewars: < grabun> I dled top 26 of Koenighstuhl
19:41:06 #corewars: < grabun> I don't know
19:41:07 #corewars: < grabun> He ;killed them ;-?
19:41:44 #corewars: < CoreChild> Did you get the zip I sent you Lukasz?  Some recent warriors in there not on Koenigstuhl '88 hill.
19:41:51 #corewars: < grabun> Yeah
19:41:52 #corewars: < CoreChild> (some tournament entries)
19:41:56 #corewars: < grabun> All names in CAPS :-)
19:42:03 #corewars: < CoreChild> I tried about three times to send that!
19:42:14 #corewars: < grabun> Do you still use DOS, CoreChild?
19:42:21 #corewars: < CoreChild> DOS only allows names in CAPS
19:42:30 #corewars:  * CoreChild does ;-)
19:42:51 #corewars:  * CoreChild does everything in a DOS window from Win ME
19:43:08 #corewars: < CoreChild> Linux will not install on my laptop :-/
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19:43:18 #corewars:  * CoreChild has tried 3 or 4 distros
19:43:22 #corewars: < grabun> oic :-(
19:43:29 #corewars: < grabun> tough luck
19:43:37 #corewars: < grabun> mts is a good idea, methinks
19:45:36 #corewars: < CoreChild> I was wondering why they were ;killed
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19:46:51 #corewars: < grabun> I don't know
19:47:01 #corewars: < grabun> Does he retire or something...
19:47:09 #corewars:  * CoreChild hopes not
19:48:07 #corewars:  * grabun hopes the same
19:48:10 #corewars: < grabun> btw
19:48:14 #corewars: < grabun> received my email?
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19:50:40 #corewars: < CoreChild> Lukasz, just checking
19:50:53 #corewars: < grabun> Fine
19:51:49 #corewars: < CoreChild> Thanks Lukasz... Just saved it to disk so I can read it at home.
19:51:59 #corewars: < CoreChild> Only five minutes left here you see...
19:52:00 #corewars: < grabun> Great
19:52:01 #corewars: < grabun> It is lousy
19:52:58 #corewars: < grabun> Hm
19:53:04 #corewars: < grabun> mts seems not to work properly
19:53:05 #corewars: < grabun> *sigh*
19:53:08 #corewars: < CoreChild> :-/
19:53:48 #corewars: < grabun> What is the maximum number of warriors one can benchmark against?
19:55:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> I don't think MTS has a maximum.
19:55:39 #corewars: < grabun> Damn
19:55:46 #corewars: < grabun> It does not work
19:55:52 #corewars: < CoreChild> But, if the score is over 32767, it overflows... (without recognising the fact)
19:55:55 #corewars: < grabun> It tests only against first few warriors
19:56:02 #corewars: < CoreChild> Okay... time to go...
19:56:08 #corewars:  * CoreChild waves
19:56:16 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hope you get MTS working
19:56:54 #corewars: < grabun> Either do I.
19:57:10 #corewars: < CoreChild> See you soon...
19:57:12 #corewars:  * CoreChild waves
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19:57:19 #corewars:  * grabun waves
19:57:21 #corewars: < grabun> too late :-(
20:03:25 #corewars:  * willvarfa waves way too late
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20:06:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
20:06:59 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello christian
20:07:04 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi Will
20:07:21 #corewars:  * willvarfa looks ashamedly for his caps key
20:08:03 #corewars:  * Fizmo is watching his entry on 94nop
20:10:26 #corewars: < Fizmo> hrmm, I've expected more :-/
20:11:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> more than 2 points less compared to the earlier version
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20:19:37 #corewars: < joonas> hi fizmo
20:19:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi Joonas
20:20:26 #corewars: < grabun> hi Fizmo 
20:21:11 #corewars: < grabun> Good
20:21:15 #corewars: < grabun> SoV is beaten ;-)
20:22:01 #corewars: < joonas> I think you have to wait another 2259 challenges to be able to say that, lukasz. ;->
20:24:17 #corewars:  * grabun wonders
20:24:27 #corewars: < grabun> How old was SoV when I started playing...
20:24:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi Grabun
20:24:38 #corewars: < grabun> Hi
20:25:43 #corewars:  * Fizmo is wondering that Arctica scores so good against SoV
20:27:28 #corewars: < grabun> How to implement airbag in 88?
20:27:47 #corewars: < joonas> hm... 
20:27:56 #corewars: < joonas> cf. Tangle Trap 3
20:28:07 #corewars: < grabun> erm
20:28:10 #corewars: < grabun> I aware of it
20:28:16 #corewars: < joonas> I think there was an add in the loop that did the incrementing bit.
20:28:28 #corewars: < grabun> oh
20:30:06 #corewars: < grabun> Hm yes
20:30:17 #corewars: < grabun> Moore comments his warriors in a very neat way :-)
20:32:52 #corewars: < joonas> yup
20:33:22 #corewars:  * Fizmo send another s/p attempt
20:33:58 #corewars: < grabun> It needs one extra instruction
20:35:11 #corewars: < joonas> yes.  although IIRC the add was also doing something else useful.
20:36:13 #corewars: < joonas> I suppose you could use the add.f form of add in '88 to increment a bomb ptr as well as a check-flag, or something.
20:36:30 #corewars: < grabun> yeah, that's what I am thinking of
20:37:14 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. could be tricky though, because the a-field is only accessible in '88 if it's in an executed insn.
20:37:33 #corewars: < grabun> insn?
20:37:41 #corewars: < joonas> instruction
20:37:56 #corewars: < grabun> Yes, I am aware of it, as well.
20:38:08 #corewars: < grabun> I want to port Vanquisher into 88 environment
20:38:09 #corewars: < joonas> I know... just thinking out loud. :)
20:38:27 #corewars: < grabun> lol
20:39:28 #corewars: < grabun> Good point, Joonas...
20:39:54 #corewars: < grabun> about that A addressing in 88 mode
20:39:57 #corewars: < Fizmo> whoops, 40% wins against SoV with a stone/paper
20:40:04 #corewars: < joonas> woot
20:40:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> and just 32% against Armadillo :)
20:41:03 #corewars: < Fizmo> that score looks better to me
20:41:22 #corewars: < grabun> ok, i think i got it
20:41:33 #corewars: < grabun> no wait
20:41:41 #corewars: < joonas> fizmo: please stop hitting the b-imps on the hill, please. :)
20:42:11 #corewars: < grabun> will you dat the hill?
20:42:14 #corewars: < Fizmo> the scores against b-imps is ok, but I am not satisfied with the scores against scanner
20:44:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> There is a bunch of things I must optimize on Arctica until it is ready
20:44:55 #corewars: < Fizmo> It's just a crude warrior yet
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20:46:01 #corewars: < Fizmo> It launches the paper and the stone parallel, not sequentiel as in Reepicheep
20:47:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> The stone won't dominate that much in the beginning -> better against s/i's but not that good against scanner
20:47:06 #corewars: < joonas> interesting... I bet it was tough getting the stone not to clobber the paper.
20:48:08 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am still optimizing the bootdistances. The actual version is the best out of 12 :)
20:48:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> I guess tomorrow morning I'll have much better versions.
20:48:48 #corewars: < joonas> ouch
20:48:49 #corewars: < joonas> :)
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20:49:51 #corewars: < Fizmo> I think the changes will be a better scoring against scanner and oneshot. The scores against imps are still optimal yet
20:51:30 #corewars: < joonas> just sent in an old oneshot to the hill... I hadn't realised that warriors had become so resilient against oneshots!
20:52:32 #corewars: < grabun> vote:
20:52:44 #corewars: < grabun> Moore is the CoreWar magician!
20:52:50 #corewars: < grabun> damn
20:53:02 #corewars:  * joonas votes yes
20:53:23 #corewars: < grabun> q^4, sunset paper and Tangle Trap
20:53:29 #corewars: < grabun> I will never be so innovative!
20:53:49 #corewars: < Fizmo> Combatra
20:54:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> Recon
20:54:16 #corewars: < Fizmo> p^3 (?)
20:54:22 #corewars: < joonas> + p^3, Recycled Bits (-- included), kill-9, Win!
20:54:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> pScout
20:55:10 #corewars: < joonas> Freight Train
20:55:36 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. the multiwarrior like Kitchen Sink
20:56:12 #corewars: < joonas> only it came before KS
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20:56:41 #corewars: < joonas> Goonie
20:56:56 #corewars: < Fizmo> Snake Pit for LP hill
20:57:13 #corewars: < joonas> especially the 3-line stone in it.
20:57:42 #corewars: < Mizcu> (playing a game, so im quite unavailable at the moment)
20:58:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes, it covers 95% of the core
20:58:30 #corewars: < joonas> much like Moore covers 95% of the game! :)
20:58:38 #corewars: < grabun> GOT IT!
20:58:53 #corewars: < grabun> I know how to make airbag with *one* add!
20:59:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> cool
20:59:04 #corewars: < joonas> ooh
20:59:10 #corewars: < grabun> sorry
21:00:21 #corewars: < joonas> doesn't it work?
21:00:28 #corewars: < grabun> erm no, I shouted
21:00:38 #corewars: < joonas> oh, heh. :)
21:00:41 #corewars: < grabun> (moreover, I don't think you bother :-)
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21:18:41 #corewars: < Fizmo> Round 16 rules are online now
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21:21:06 #corewars: < joonas> nice twist
21:24:13 #corewars:  * will_varf goes looks!
21:24:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes :)
21:24:56 #corewars: < Fizmo> it adds an really uncommon way of 'optimization'
21:25:23 #corewars: < grabun> What's the url?
21:25:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://www.corewar.info/tournament/16.htm
21:25:58 #corewars: < grabun> I can't open it :-(
21:26:11 #corewars: < grabun> Funny
21:26:18 #corewars: < grabun> www.c.i does not work
21:26:24 #corewars: < grabun> while http://w.c.i does.
21:27:00 #corewars: < will_varf> wow, completely different :-)
21:27:59 #corewars: < will_varf> ah, grabun, which browser? is it hardcoded to look for the .com or .pl or whatever, maybe?
21:28:10 #corewars: < grabun> nope
21:28:11 #corewars: < grabun> links
21:28:25 #corewars: < grabun> the other links work fine without the protocol name
21:31:20 #corewars: < will_varf> but .four letter tlds are fairly new
21:31:23 #corewars: < Fizmo> announcement on r.g.c. follows tomorrow
21:31:24 #corewars: < will_varf> oh well
21:31:38 #corewars: < will_varf> rf16 looks really really fascinating :-)
21:31:44 #corewars: < joonas> will_varf: ?
21:31:57 #corewars: < grabun> .info part of the url, I suppose
21:32:06 #corewars: < joonas> ah
21:45:11 #corewars: < Fizmo> is there a possibility to speed up an ftp upload
21:45:25 #corewars: < joonas> freebsd?
21:45:29 #corewars: < grabun> windows?
21:45:30 #corewars: < joonas> (sorry, couldn't resist.)
21:45:36 #corewars: < grabun> erm
21:45:41 #corewars:  * joonas is filling in for bvowk
21:45:41 #corewars: < grabun> I thought you asked :-)
21:45:56 #corewars: < grabun> Download accelerator or something
21:46:00 #corewars: < grabun> FreeBSD sucks. We all use Linux.
21:46:02 #corewars: < grabun> Linux
21:46:18 #corewars: < grabun> Linux
21:46:18 #corewars: < grabun> Linux
21:46:34 #corewars: < joonas> fizmo: I suspect not.  it'll depend on the ftp servers load and your outbound connection.  I think.
21:51:56 #corewars: < Fizmo> My outbound connection should be fast enough
21:52:08 #corewars: < Fizmo> but it's really slooooowww
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21:53:18 #corewars: < willvarfa> US server?
21:53:35 #corewars: < Fizmo> No, I guess it's a german server
21:53:45 #corewars: < willvarfa> strange
21:54:08 #corewars: < willvarfa> I often find http downloads much quicker, because typically anon ftp accounts are bandwidth throttled
21:54:18 #corewars: < Fizmo> it's just 8 Kbps
21:54:48 #corewars: < Mizcu> Are you downloading at the same time?
21:55:01 #corewars: < Fizmo> no, just irc
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21:55:43 #corewars: < Mizcu> Ah, 15 minutes writing a mail to Lachi and finally done
21:56:14 #corewars: < grabun> to ng?
21:56:32 #corewars: < Mizcu> nope, since i am including Scizzory (from the b-hill) for him
21:57:04 #corewars: < Mizcu> (Not that Scizzory would give anything other than good laughs when released)
21:57:34 #corewars: < grabun> lol
21:57:39 #corewars: < grabun> publish it then
22:03:04 #corewars: < Fizmo> Ok, I have to go now
22:03:11 #corewars:  * Fizmo waves
22:03:16 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye
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22:13:57 #corewars: < willvarfa> bye
22:14:00 #corewars: < joonas> bye
22:14:10 #corewars: < joonas> see you tomorrow, I hope.
22:20:56 #corewars:  * grabun waves
22:21:02 #corewars:  * joonas waves at grabun
22:21:07 #corewars:  * grabun waves at joonas 
22:21:15 #corewars:  * grabun waves at willvarfa 
22:21:21 #corewars:  * grabun waves at all
22:21:54 #corewars: < willvarfa> cya grabun
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23:11:00 -!- You're now known as jakub
23:11:01 #corewars: < jakub> hello
23:12:05 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello jakub
23:12:07 #corewars: < willvarfa> sup?
23:12:51 #corewars: < jakub> "sup?"?
23:13:21 #corewars: < jakub> whats up?
23:13:46 #corewars: < willvarfa> yeap?
23:14:10 #corewars: < jakub> got it ... it takes time to decode this type of eastcoast massiv ghetto slanga :)
23:14:36 #corewars: < jakub> I was learning for the tests
23:15:23 #corewars: < jakub> but I stopped, because my brain exited the process with "buffer overflow" runtime error
23:17:30 #corewars: < joonas> hi jakub
23:17:34 #corewars: < joonas> what are you studying for?
23:18:15 #corewars: < jakub> hi joonas
23:18:28 #corewars: < jakub> physics
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23:37:47 #corewars:  * jakub is very sleepy
23:37:55 #corewars: < jakub> going to bad
23:38:06 #corewars: < jakub> studying is exhausting
23:38:08 #corewars: < jakub> bye
23:38:10 #corewars:  * jakub waves
23:38:15 -!- You're now known as jk_log
23:38:16 #corewars:  * joonas waves
23:38:47 #corewars:  * will_varf waves
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