--- Log opened Sat Jan 10 00:00:00 2004
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00:18:40 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm.
00:18:43 #corewars: < bvowk> you look new
00:18:53 #corewars: < Mizcu> a new nick has appeared
00:19:15 #corewars: < bvowk> not old and boring like mizcu, but new!
00:19:37 #corewars: < Mizcu> bvowk: grr
00:19:52 #corewars: < bvowk> :)
00:21:26 #corewars: < zak> hello
00:22:11 #corewars: < bvowk> how's it going zak?
00:22:20 #corewars: < zak> fine
00:22:41 #corewars: < bvowk> so how long have you been playing with corewars?
00:23:07 #corewars: < zak> it was 2 days ago that i discovered Core Wars & became it's love ASA i learnt about it
00:23:15 #corewars: < zak> s/love/lover
00:23:55 #corewars: < bvowk> interesting..
00:24:29 #corewars: < bvowk> where'd you read about it?
00:24:53 #corewars: < zak> i was searching out Artificial Life simulation at google
00:24:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> 2 days..  it'll be 2 months until you control redcode "i think i can do that"  and 2 years until "i can". 4-6 years until "i'll have it by tomorrow"
00:25:23 #corewars: < bvowk> interesting..
00:25:29 #corewars: < bvowk> so are you going to be another evolver?
00:25:34 #corewars: < bvowk> (competition!?)
00:26:41 #corewars: < zak> maybe :) i am reading 'Core Wars Genetics: The Evolution of Predation' ATM
00:26:53 #corewars: < bvowk> good stuff :)
00:27:53 #corewars: < zak> bvowk: but I was more interested in developing it as a 'culture' among the local CS students
00:28:32 #corewars: < bvowk> what year are you in?
00:28:36 #corewars: < zak> I have some influencial friends at the local Univ. & I would try my best to persuade them over this
00:28:53 #corewars: < zak> bvowk: i have recently graduated
00:29:12 #corewars: < bvowk> congrats
00:29:17 #corewars: < zak> thanks
00:29:29 #corewars: < bvowk> corewars is a pretty challenging game..
00:30:18 #corewars: < bvowk> we'll take your new blood :)
00:30:57 #corewars: < zak> :)
00:31:07 #corewars:  * bvowk is currently evolving for LP on sal.math.ualberta.ca
00:31:09 #corewars: < zak> NP, i like challenges
00:31:47 #corewars: < zak> bvowk: are you in Canada? where in canada?
00:32:17 #corewars: < bvowk> edmonton
00:32:21 #corewars: < bvowk> (alberta)
00:32:32 #corewars: < zak> LP = Limited process hill ?
00:32:36 #corewars: < bvowk> yup
00:33:44 #corewars: < zak> cool
00:34:25 #corewars: < zak> BTW, i was expecting a lot of people in here
00:34:42 #corewars: < bvowk> why? 
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00:35:30 #corewars: < bvowk> there aren't that many regulars..
00:35:47 #corewars: < bvowk> its a pretty small community, mostly I expect because the game is wicked hard to get good at :)
00:35:50 #corewars: < Mizcu> Were not very big as a community , and our most traffic is usually on sundays evenings
00:35:57 #corewars: < bvowk> heh
00:36:01 #corewars: < Mizcu> our game is not media-sexy
00:36:06 #corewars: < Zeenix> bvowk: not because of any reason, just a intuition
00:36:26 #corewars: < bvowk> its a good community tho
00:37:20 #corewars: < bvowk> they put up with me, can't be all bad :)
00:38:34 #corewars: < Zeenix> it was good to meet you guys.  It's 4:42 AM here & i MUST sleep now
00:38:56 #corewars: < Zeenix> see you guys tomorrow, bye
00:38:58 #corewars: < bvowk> where are you?
00:38:58 #corewars: < Mizcu> well, just come here when you wake up, i might be here
00:39:11 #corewars: < Zeenix> bvowk: peshawar
00:39:19 #corewars: < bvowk> I'm guessing the exact opposite side of the world :)
00:39:28 #corewars: < Zeenix> bvowk: exactly
00:39:28 #corewars: < bvowk> (its 4:42 PM here)
00:39:56 #corewars: < bvowk> good night
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00:40:35 #corewars: < Mizcu> pakistan
00:41:06 #corewars: < bvowk> pakistan eh?
00:41:19 #corewars: < Mizcu> http://upesh.edu/
00:42:12 #corewars: < bvowk> interesting
00:44:05 #corewars:  * bvowk gets packed so he can go for sushi!
00:47:07 #corewars: < bvowk> www.evil-empire.info/ganglia/
02:24:26 #corewars: < sandos> bvowk: what simulator do you evaluate your individuals in?
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14:31:04 #corewars: < jakub> hello :)
14:35:35 #corewars: < jakub> bye
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14:53:50 #corewars: < Roy> Hello
15:15:52 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi
15:16:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> bit busy atm, new game..
15:25:06 #corewars: < Roy> heh
15:25:16 #corewars: < Roy> I'm now sending my round 15 entries to fiz
15:30:50 #corewars:  * Roy is off then, watching the Dutch volleybal players beat Russia (or not)
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16:42:39 #corewars: < Roy> Ok...maybe Russia was a bit stronger :)
17:54:47 #corewars: < Mizcu> time for a gamebreak, too hard problem met..
17:58:25 #corewars: < Roy> what game?
18:00:11 #corewars: < Mizcu> Legacy of Kain - Defiance
18:02:14 #corewars: < Roy> Never played that (never heard of it either, but it sounds familiar)
18:03:16 #corewars: < Mizcu> the fifth game in Legacy of Kain-series, no wonder if it sounds familiar
18:08:18 #corewars: < Roy> Heh, but I never played it/saw somebody play it before so...
18:08:27 #corewars: < Roy> What kind of game is it? RPG? (sounds like one)
18:09:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> They are adventure/action -hybrids. 
18:11:13 #corewars: < Mizcu> The original (2d) was rpg'ish, later ones (3d) are more on puzzles and platforming (and newest even more on fighting)
18:20:57 #corewars: < Roy> IC ok, dinner time! bye!
18:21:06 #corewars: < Roy> (maybe I'll dload it tomorrow :))
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18:27:37 #corewars: < Mizcu> bbl
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19:10:28 #corewars: < bvowk_> hrm
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19:58:01 #corewars:  * Roy faints
19:58:07 #corewars: < Mizcu> ?
19:58:27 #corewars: < Roy> Was just looking at the hill, and Dev has an amazing 5.45 point lead :)
19:59:17 #corewars: < Mizcu> static #4  :)
20:00:06 #corewars: < Roy> Yes :) grats
20:02:48 #corewars: < Mizcu> eats heckload of points from 3000 challenges
20:03:04 #corewars: < Roy> yes, but its a nice looking scanner though
20:08:56 #corewars: < Mizcu> I still have problems believing the score Static's stone gets from Willow; 150 rounds, 139/10/1..
20:12:22 #corewars: < Roy> heh, thats pretty amazing :)
20:13:42 #corewars: < Roy> I like that fact that Devilstick loses most points against papers because it ties too much, it plays even against scanners and wins from stones (even beats some stones)
20:14:03 #corewars: < Roy> And its the best paper on koenigstuhl, thats a BIG honor
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21:19:34 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
21:19:42 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi Fiz
21:19:49 #corewars: < Roy> hello
21:21:23 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi Roy. Got your entries :-)
21:21:34 #corewars: < Roy> Stupid huh? :P
21:21:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> ATM 10 entries by 5 authors
21:22:10 #corewars: < Fizmo> Mizcu: Do I get also entries from you?
21:22:24 #corewars: < Mizcu> Fiz: not this time
21:23:06 #corewars: < Roy> If the tournament is anything like the hill I'll be nr. 1 for another round :) yay
21:23:21 #corewars: < Roy> (Even if I don't win the round)
21:26:04 #corewars: < Fizmo> yes, that's true :-)
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21:57:52 #corewars: < bvowk_> greets all
21:58:13 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi
21:59:09 #corewars: < Fizmo> thx for your e-mail. I will later have a look what it could be. It scores really crazy
21:59:23 #corewars: < bvowk_> crazy?
21:59:31 #corewars: < bvowk_> crazy = well or crazy = wtf is it doing?
21:59:41 #corewars: < Roy> heh :)
22:02:10 #corewars: < bvowk_> how about you roy, how's it going?
22:02:34 #corewars:  * bvowk_ recommends roy just moves to unix
22:03:00 #corewars: < bvowk_> (I saw you were talking about it the other day)
22:03:36 #corewars: < Roy> Well yes...but thats not going to happen :(
22:03:41 #corewars: < bvowk_> why not?
22:03:47 #corewars: < Roy> School...
22:03:57 #corewars: < bvowk_> nearly everything you'll need to do can be done in unix now
22:03:59 #corewars: < Roy> I have to have some programs on my laptop that need windows
22:04:04 #corewars: < bvowk_> which ones?
22:04:33 #corewars: < Roy> JBuilder...
22:04:53 #corewars: < bvowk_> java runs on unix :)
22:05:01 #corewars: < Roy> Yes, but not THAT program
22:05:06 #corewars: < bvowk_> so?
22:05:16 #corewars: < bvowk_> its just a cheese eating front end :)
22:05:18 #corewars: < Roy> They are pretty strict, I just have to work their way
22:05:29 #corewars: < bvowk_> I suppose
22:05:43 #corewars: < Roy> Maybe dual boot though...
22:06:09 #corewars: < Roy> I've been thinking about shrinking my NTSF partition and add linux
22:06:15 #corewars: < bvowk_> there are very few things I can't do in unix..
22:06:19 #corewars:  * bvowk_ recommends freebsd :)
22:06:37 #corewars: < bvowk_> depends on your notebook tho..
22:07:01 #corewars: < Roy> Fujitsu Siemens Amilo
22:07:22 #corewars: < Mizcu> Somehow the name screams "NO *NIX ON ME!!"
22:08:00 #corewars: < Roy> No, it works pretty good, I tried some cd-linux versions
22:08:00 #corewars: < bvowk_> not really, we've got a bunch of fujitsu's with various unixen on them
22:08:20 #corewars: < bvowk_> the thing that'll be the problem is suspending and resuming..
22:08:40 #corewars: < bvowk_> you might need to run freebsd 5.X or some funky linux to get that working happily
22:09:40 #corewars: < bvowk_> I don't need to run 5.X on this notebook, its got a solid apm bios, but I really like GBDE :)
22:11:53 #corewars: < Roy> brb
22:16:19 #corewars: < Fizmo> bvowk: your warrior are looking really difficult
22:16:46 #corewars: < Roy> In what way? very good? not working?
22:17:31 #corewars: < Mizcu> In a way it is to understand evolved code's "main idea"?
22:18:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> so much instr. which are looking at the first glance useless
22:19:44 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, got the first piece of code out of it
22:20:27 #corewars: < Fizmo> it first boots away and launches a simple 1-point imp (mov.i #-1, 1)
22:21:44 #corewars: < Roy> Doesn't mather, its about how it scores :)
22:24:17 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hey!!! That beast has a really nice feature, I've never saw on any LP-warrior!!!
22:24:44 #corewars: < Fizmo> Cool!!!
22:24:53 #corewars:  * Roy is getting curious...but those aren't LP warriors right?
22:25:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> now I understand why it scores so nicely :-)
22:25:13 #corewars: < Fizmo> just using imps
22:25:25 #corewars: < Mizcu> Roy:  *SLAP*  ,  pay attention!
22:26:00 #corewars: < Fizmo> It's bvowk's last evovled warrior actually 16th of the LP hill I am trying to understand 
22:26:03 #corewars: < Roy> Hmmm, so those aren't tournament entries? :)
22:26:11 #corewars: < Roy> Ohw!
22:26:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> ups sorry, no :-)
22:27:14 #corewars: < bvowk_> gunna explain it to us fizmo?
22:27:15 #corewars: < Roy> Fiz: I have that little thingy working now ;-)
22:27:31 #corewars: < Fizmo> really?
22:27:33 #corewars: < Roy> Fiz: Now testing if it improves my scores
22:27:59 #corewars: < Roy> Well, just the HUGE way I told you about, spl 2 spl 1 spl 1 and spl 1 spl 1 spl 1
22:30:07 #corewars: < Fizmo> ah, ok. There there must be some other possibilities
22:32:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> and I was wrong with that nice feature. I didn't saw that # in the a-field :-/ But nevertheless I got a nice idea for LP-warriors. A "process watcher"
22:34:01 #corewars: < bvowk_> so my warrior is just a boot away imp then?
22:34:13 #corewars: < bvowk_> (I've been evolving this long for a boot away imp!? :))
22:34:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> A booted and an unbooted imp
22:35:04 #corewars: < Fizmo> plus a gate which kills your both imps later the battle
22:35:29 #corewars: < bvowk_> cool.. multiple strategies
22:35:40 #corewars: < bvowk_> (I was wondering how it was winning if it was imps)
22:35:52 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am wondering that it scores so nicely just having 2 imps and an imp-gate
22:36:44 #corewars: < bvowk_> are you sure there isn't something else?
22:36:49 #corewars: < Fizmo> overall there are just the lines 33 - 40 which are used by the warrior
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22:37:50 #corewars: < Mizcu> hmm, imperactive goes 57/11/82 against rave,  test3 goes 91/7/52 ..
22:41:17 #corewars: < Mizcu> But imper gets 150 wilfiz and is capable of entering 'nop, test3 112 and cant even rule the beginner-hill
23:18:26 #corewars:  * bvowk_ watches T1
23:54:27 #corewars: < Fizmo> Ok, it's time for me to sleep.
23:54:34 #corewars:  * Fizmo waves
23:54:38 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye
23:54:43 #corewars: < Mizcu> bye
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