--- Log opened Mon Jan 05 00:00:59 2004
04:28:46 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
04:29:02 #corewars: < bvowk> my server room was 40C today
04:33:54 #corewars: < bvowk> it is now only 28C
04:34:01 #corewars: < bvowk> (still much too hot, but still cooling)
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10:32:12 #corewars: < jakub> hi
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10:32:43 #corewars: < jakub> hi
10:32:50 #corewars: < Mizcu> hi
10:33:11 #corewars: < jakub> hi Mizcu
10:33:15 #corewars: < jakub> hi Will
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10:35:46 #corewars: < jakub> ad problems with my connection yesterday, thats why I got suddenly(sp?) disconnected
10:36:23 #corewars: < will_varf> hi
10:37:04 #corewars: < jakub> I was working on Hunter's frontend
10:37:14 #corewars: < jakub> its still half functioning alpha :)
10:38:30 #corewars: < jakub> http://www.gjh.sk/~0kozisek/Hunter.rar
10:38:42 #corewars: < jakub> check it
10:39:00 #corewars: < jakub> thanks for helping me, Will!
10:40:48 #corewars: < will_varf> zip with exe in?
10:40:59 #corewars:  * will_varf is running windows today, yay :-)
10:41:00 #corewars: < jakub> rar with exe and sources in
10:41:23 #corewars: < jakub> :)
10:41:41 #corewars: < jakub> can you check it now?
10:42:02 #corewars: < will_varf> rar -> zip?
10:42:28 #corewars: < jakub> what? do I have to pack it in zip?
10:43:39 #corewars: < Mizcu> not everyone has winrar/winace/other multisolution installed 
10:43:59 #corewars: < jakub> ok, no problem
10:44:51 #corewars: < jakub> http://www.gjh.sk/~0kozisek/Hunter.zip - in 30 seconds
10:44:59 #corewars: < jakub> brb - breakfest
10:49:15 #corewars: < will_varf> beautiful!!!!
10:49:22 #corewars: < will_varf> my board seems missized though
10:49:36 #corewars: < will_varf> can't see the rightmost nor bottommost columns
10:58:22 #corewars: < jakub> back
10:58:29 #corewars: < jakub> thanks
10:58:45 #corewars: < jakub> hmm, your board is missized?!?
10:59:25 #corewars: < will_varf> honest!
10:59:30 #corewars: < jakub> don't know why :-( ... one think - I'm using big fonts in Windows (Graphics Properties)
10:59:50 #corewars: < jakub> that can be the only difference
11:00:00 #corewars: < jakub> can you send me screenshot?
11:01:02 #corewars: < will_varf> email?
11:01:15 #corewars: < jakub> kozisek@chello.sk
11:01:31 #corewars: < Mizcu> by board is undersized too
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11:02:29 #corewars: < jakub> :-/
11:02:39 #corewars: < jakub> its ok here :)
11:04:12 #corewars: < willvarfa> on way
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11:06:06 #corewars: < jakub> thanks Mizcu and Will
11:06:18 #corewars: < jakub> hmm, its strange
11:07:27 #corewars: < willvarfa> you're getting the tile size correct
11:07:35 #corewars: < willvarfa> so the board size is a multiple of that tile size?
11:08:41 #corewars: < jakub> 65x65 is tile and 523x523
11:08:54 #corewars: < jakub> its because I'm drawing border
11:09:04 #corewars: < jakub> the correct size is 520x520
11:09:34 #corewars:  * willvarfa thinks
11:10:12 #corewars: < willvarfa> what is the align of the panel on the right?
11:10:31 #corewars: < willvarfa> is the board inside it's own paintbox or custom control, or are you drawing 'raw' to the form?
11:10:43 #corewars: < jakub> drawing raw
11:10:55 #corewars: < Mizcu> the size in my hunter is about 424*424
11:11:26 #corewars: < willvarfa> hmm, put it inside a paintbox instead
11:11:31 #corewars: < jakub> ok, wait ...
11:12:21 #corewars: < willvarfa> and set the size of that paintbox to that size _in pixels_
11:14:17 #corewars: < jakub> and where is paintbox? :)
11:14:37 #corewars: < jakub> I have lot of components there
11:15:15 #corewars: < willvarfa> system iirc
11:15:30 #corewars: < jakub> thanks
11:16:22 #corewars: < willvarfa> your timage is a fine size and you're drawing to that
11:16:36 #corewars: < willvarfa> so I guess that is the equiv to a painbox isn't it?
11:16:52 #corewars: < willvarfa> check that everything everywhere is using pixels not twips nor anything else?
11:17:00 #corewars: < jakub> so I have to replace my Timage with TPaintBox, right?
11:17:11 #corewars: < jakub> I'm using pixles everywhere
11:17:34 #corewars: < willvarfa> keep the timage sorry
11:17:42 #corewars: < willvarfa> first check that the form is using pixels
11:17:58 #corewars: < jakub> its using pixels
11:18:10 #corewars: < jakub> and the TImage must be on the top?
11:25:34 #corewars: < jakub> I run in and it restarted my computer (!?!) :-/
11:26:28 #corewars: < willvarfa> :-/
11:27:20 #corewars: < jakub> so again: do I have to keep both control (Image and PaintBox) and why? and if yes, do they have the same size?
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11:36:46 #corewars: < jakub> :-(
11:38:23 #corewars:  * jakub is confused
11:39:39 #corewars:  * will_varf too
11:40:50 #corewars: < jakub> please answer my 11:27:20 question
11:43:06 #corewars: < will_varf> hmm
11:43:15 #corewars: < will_varf> are you painting to the image?
11:45:37 #corewars: < jakub> yes
11:45:55 #corewars: < jakub> you don't have delphi there?
11:45:59 #corewars: < will_varf> nope
11:46:05 #corewars: < will_varf> well I apologise
11:46:10 #corewars: < will_varf> I thought you were doing it 'raw' to the form
11:46:23 #corewars: < will_varf> so you don't need a paintbox, and this isn't the problem
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12:19:07 #corewars: < jakub> changing sides is now working :)
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16:07:14 #corewars: < willvarfa> hi
16:07:17 #corewars: < willvarfa> (and bye)
16:07:19 #corewars: < willvarfa> have to dash!
16:07:23 #corewars:  * willvarfa *waves*
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16:08:02 #corewars:  * Roy waved...believe it or not
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16:09:49 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
16:11:32 #corewars: < Roy> hi
16:13:49 #corewars: < Roy> `bye
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16:37:20 #corewars: < jakub> hello
16:40:25 #corewars: < bvowk> hello
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16:41:44 #corewars: < joonas> happy new year to all
16:48:07 #corewars: < bvowk> hey joonas
16:48:23 #corewars:  * bvowk takes 17th on LP
16:48:31 #corewars: < joonas> hey bvowk.  new year treating you well?
16:48:40 #corewars: < joonas> ah right. congratulations!
16:48:47 #corewars: < joonas> on -94nop too.
16:49:38 #corewars: < bvowk> I'm pretty impressed with the 94-nop :)
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16:51:42 #corewars: < joonas> hi jakub
16:51:49 #corewars: < jakub_> hi joonas!
16:52:03 #corewars: < jakub_> and happy new year! :)
16:52:07 #corewars: < joonas> you too. :)
16:52:25 #corewars: < jakub_> started working again on my chess program
16:52:40 #corewars: < jakub_> http://www.gjh.sk/~0kozisek/Hunter.zip
16:53:05 #corewars: < jakub_> but it need windows :-/
16:53:58 #corewars: < jakub_> do you have something new?
16:54:46 #corewars: < joonas> you added a book of moves I see.
16:55:11 #corewars: < jakub_> yes and it has UI, finally
16:55:17 #corewars: < jakub_> mouse based :)
16:55:18 #corewars: < joonas> ooh. nice.
16:55:25 #corewars: < jakub_> can you run it? 
16:55:29 #corewars: < joonas> no, sorry.
16:55:35 #corewars: < jakub_> wine?
16:55:45 #corewars: < joonas> don't have it.
16:56:01 #corewars: < jakub_> :-/
16:56:20 #corewars: < jakub_> I will sent you some screenshots after finishing it :)
16:56:25 #corewars: < jakub_> sent = send
16:56:30 #corewars: < joonas> yes, thanks!
16:57:24 #corewars: < joonas> do you know of a kind of standard cmd line format that chess programs implement so that they can be used in automatic mode against themselves.
16:57:32 #corewars: < jakub_> no problem :-p
16:58:23 #corewars: < jakub_> winboard
16:58:23 #corewars: < jakub_> and uic(sp?)
16:58:23 #corewars: < jakub_> but thats my graduation project, so I must write everything
16:58:50 #corewars: < jakub_> I already had something like winboard standard implemented, but then I started writing UI, so its gone
16:59:45 #corewars: < joonas> is it on the todo list then?
16:59:53 #corewars:  * jakub_ doesn't have screenshot grabber by hand :-(
17:00:24 #corewars: < jakub_> no, my teacher will kill me, if I will write just engine and you some winboard comaptible UI to run it
17:00:46 #corewars: < joonas> :)
17:00:48 #corewars: < joonas> oh well.
17:00:51 #corewars: < jakub_> this is standalone windows-based application
17:01:27 #corewars: < joonas> it would be nice though to test Hunter against some other chess engines.
17:01:45 #corewars: < jakub_> hehe, it will die!
17:02:13 #corewars: < jakub_> its "suited" for begginer / little bit indermediate players
17:02:54 #corewars: < jakub_> its calculating just 4 ply at normal and 6 ply at very hard (brutally slow on my PII 300 MHz :) )
17:03:30 #corewars: < joonas> you might derive some ideas from watching the games though?
17:04:02 #corewars: < joonas> much like watching the core display during fights. :)
17:04:07 #corewars: < jakub_> nope, I can kick my program 99 times from 100
17:04:08 #corewars: < joonas> or maybe now.
17:04:11 #corewars: < jakub_> :)
17:08:38 #corewars: < jakub_> give me your email ad please
17:09:23 #corewars: < joonas> jpihlaja@cc.helsinki.fi
17:09:48 #corewars:  * joonas always forgets that his email address is displayed in the logs when he joins #corewars
17:10:08 #corewars: < jakub_> tnx
17:10:09 #corewars: < joonas> so there's no point in concealing it while joined.
17:18:50 #corewars: < bvowk> ok.. crazy cow-orker is gone
17:19:03 #corewars: < jakub_> mail sent
17:19:05 #corewars: < bvowk> sorry about the restart of sal there joonas, but it was 40C in there
17:19:18 #corewars: < jakub_> hi bvowk!
17:19:31 #corewars: < bvowk> hi jakub
17:20:07 #corewars:  * bvowk will have to try hunter 
17:20:25 #corewars: < bvowk> brb
17:20:28 #corewars: < jakub_> you have fast computers, so you can try very hard level :)
17:20:34 #corewars: < joonas> wow, jakub, that looks really nice.
17:20:39 #corewars: < jakub_> thanks
17:21:10 #corewars: < jakub_> its in very early stage ... that version was compiled 150 second ago :)
17:21:44 #corewars: < jakub_> I've added takeback - in move list
17:22:41 #corewars: < joonas> how many levels of undo?
17:23:18 #corewars: < jakub_> whole game
17:23:34 #corewars: < jakub_> and thats enough :)
17:23:40 #corewars: < joonas> :)
17:24:25 #corewars: < jakub_> know the moves 
17:24:42 #corewars: < jakub_> so its backtracing them
17:34:13 #corewars: < joonas> brb
17:39:48 #corewars: < jakub_> bbl - I going out
17:39:49 #corewars: < jakub_> cya
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17:49:56 #corewars:  * bvowk wonders
17:50:47 #corewars: < joonas> so what happened to the server room?
17:51:13 #corewars: < bvowk> someone complained their office was cold, and someone decided that we didn't need all that AC
17:51:24 #corewars: < bvowk> to they swapped my server room from cold air to hot air
17:51:54 #corewars: < bvowk> fixing the cold offices, but toasting my cpus
17:52:06 #corewars: < joonas> lol
17:52:14 #corewars: < joonas> how many casualties?
17:53:16 #corewars: < bvowk> only 3jane and my mirror server and sal
17:53:44 #corewars: < bvowk> ok, its sad, I just got a new tungstun palm, and I'm now lusting after a zaurus
17:53:52 #corewars: < bvowk> (/me has issues)
17:53:56 #corewars: < joonas> not broken beyond all repair, I hope?
17:54:18 #corewars: < bvowk> no, just crashed
17:54:31 #corewars: < joonas> btw, I'm unable to log in to 3jane.
17:54:34 #corewars: < bvowk> it was 42C in my office according to the netbot..
17:54:44 #corewars: < bvowk> I'm not sure why.. it works ok everywhere for me
17:54:45 #corewars: < joonas> aeieee!
17:55:30 #corewars: < joonas> it works for me now too.
17:55:33 #corewars: < bvowk> Jan  5 05:59:52 3jane sshd[14117]: Failed keyboard-interactive/pam for joonas from 129.128.206.39 port 49406 ssh2
17:55:34 #corewars: < bvowk> Jan  5 05:59:52 3jane sshd[14117]: Failed password for joonas from 129.128.206.39 port 49406 ssh2
17:55:46 #corewars: < bvowk> you get up early!
17:55:47 #corewars: < bvowk> :)
17:55:54 #corewars: < joonas> :)
17:56:38 #corewars: < bvowk> so where were you?
17:56:42 #corewars: < joonas> looking at the logs now.
17:57:09 #corewars: < joonas> up north for the holidays.
17:57:20 #corewars: < bvowk> heh.. holiday logs :)
17:57:38 #corewars: < joonas> you go anywhere special?
17:58:26 #corewars: < bvowk> Dec 31 11:45:08 Joonas partyd: alcohol overconsumption, Joonas going into sleep mode.
17:58:43 #corewars: < bvowk> augh.. I went everywhere
17:59:12 #corewars: < bvowk> too many relations to visit.. next year I go nowhere :)
17:59:52 #corewars: < joonas> memo to wife: we're not going anywhere next year :-)
18:00:23 #corewars: < bvowk> she agrees :)
18:00:40 #corewars: < bvowk> so? eat any pickled fishes?
18:00:50 #corewars: < bvowk> get pickled yourself?
18:01:30 #corewars: < joonas> no, but found 20 year old pickled fish in a sealed bucket.
18:01:49 #corewars: < joonas> also, I don't get pickled myself too often.
18:02:27 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm, would 20 year old pickled fish be edible? is it like good farm hams?
18:02:57 #corewars: < joonas> I suppose they might be if it weren't for the shrimp that was pickling with them.
18:03:38 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
18:03:39 #corewars: < joonas> wouldn't risk it though.  was hard enough taking them out to to compost without barfing. :)
18:03:41 #corewars: < bvowk> that doesn't sound good
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18:04:05 #corewars: < bvowk> hey John
18:04:08 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi folks
18:04:09 #corewars: < joonas> hi john
18:04:17 #corewars: < bvowk> so what do fins do for xmas?
18:04:18 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Bvowk, Joonas.
18:04:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> Joonas, I need your help again.
18:04:40 #corewars: < joonas> ok.
18:04:41 #corewars: < CoreChild> While my email was down, I missed three challenge results. :-/
18:04:51 #corewars: < joonas> what datespan?
18:05:01 #corewars: < CoreChild> They are about 6th - 16th Dec, '94nop, Hazy Lazy age 991, 992 and 993.
18:05:23 #corewars: < joonas> ok.  any particular e-mail address you want them sending to?
18:05:41 #corewars: < CoreChild> Nothing else was missing fortunately, since I have results at my other email for the other hills.
18:06:03 #corewars: < CoreChild> No, none in particular :-) Hotmail or Tiscali
18:06:31 #corewars: < joonas> ok.
18:06:33 #corewars: < joonas> brb
18:06:44 #corewars: < CoreChild> Just got my pay rise today :-)
18:06:59 #corewars: < bvowk> sweet
18:08:12 #corewars: < CoreChild> Did either of you attend the IRCT yesterday?
18:08:47 #corewars: < joonas> not I
18:09:01 #corewars: < bvowk> I idled through it 
18:09:20 #corewars: < CoreChild> Joonas, did your SPAG 35 arrive?
18:09:28 #corewars: < CoreChild> I got the announcement, but nothing since :-/
18:09:33 #corewars: < joonas> yes.
18:09:46 #corewars: < joonas> do you want it?
18:09:49 #corewars: < CoreChild> Just sending my RF15 entries.
18:09:58 #corewars: < joonas> it's on the spag page for download too.
18:10:07 #corewars: < joonas> should be anyway.
18:10:26 #corewars: < CoreChild> I'll check if it is in the Archive first thanks, easier to download from there. :-)
18:10:40 #corewars:  * CoreChild was reading what Joonas said about 4K Adventure
18:10:51 #corewars:  * CoreChild is considering 2K Adventure.
18:11:09 #corewars: < CoreChild> My coding is a bit more compact these days.
18:11:39 #corewars: < joonas> a 2K adventure would rock, for sure.
18:11:48 #corewars: < joonas> or a 1.5K adventure...
18:11:53 #corewars: < joonas> hm...
18:12:25 #corewars:  * joonas is inspired
18:13:16 #corewars: < joonas> a 1.5K glulx adventure would also rock.
18:13:29 #corewars: < CoreChild> I will have to write better text compression for a start.
18:14:19 #corewars: < CoreChild> There is 4.5K text in 4K adventure.  (the program without the text is about 2K)
18:14:33 #corewars: < joonas> There's Huffman string support in the Glulx VM that might come in handy...
18:14:43 #corewars:  * CoreChild has never downloaded glulx
18:14:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> Do you have any ideas for a Corewar related adventure?
18:15:11 #corewars: < CoreChild> I did think about a Corewar version of Hunt the Wumpus.
18:15:43 #corewars: < joonas> how would you hunt the wumpus?
18:16:27 #corewars: < CoreChild> My text compression just squished a character into 6 bits instead of 8, since I didn't use all the high-ascii and most of the unusual punctuation.
18:16:58 #corewars: < CoreChild> I mean a text adventure written in C or whatever.
18:17:08 #corewars: < joonas> ?
18:17:22 #corewars: < CoreChild> But instead of being a hunter looking for the wumpus, you are a scanner looking for a paper or something
18:17:53 #corewars: < CoreChild> Oh, I compressed common words and combinations of letters to a single 6 bit code too.
18:18:37 #corewars: < CoreChild> Exactly the same as Hunt the Wumpus, but with different text, Corewar related
18:18:51 #corewars: < joonas> say, do you still have the source to 4K adventure?
18:19:29 #corewars: < joonas> ah, I see.  good idea.
18:20:01 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes, they are ugly!
18:20:12 #corewars: < CoreChild> Writing a new adventure, slowly.
18:20:18 #corewars: < CoreChild> The code is a work of art ;-)
18:20:50 #corewars: < CoreChild> You want me to check how much RAM 4KA uses?
18:21:00 #corewars: < joonas> if written evocatively, a cw hunt the wumpus could maybe inspire some passing newbie to give the game a shot.
18:21:04 #corewars: < joonas> yes.
18:21:23 #corewars: < CoreChild> If it is above 4K, it is only by a few bytes (for an input buffer, that kind of thing)
18:21:53 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes... and we could convert some other games too...
18:21:54 #corewars:  * joonas can imagine john whitling away at his new adventure.
18:22:18 #corewars:  * CoreChild has the core of an OS written too.
18:22:45 #corewars: < CoreChild> Task switcher, memory management, etc.
18:25:40 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yesterday was IRCT29 by the way :-)
18:25:57 #corewars:  * CoreChild has carefully recorded everything
18:26:19 #corewars: < CoreChild> (not counting the week where the idea was just to have the highest warrior on the LP hill)
18:29:39 #corewars: < CoreChild> CW88 never seems to have got through to the newsgroup :-/
18:29:58 #corewars: < CoreChild> Both Fizmo and I tried to post it, but it never got through, and no errors came back.
18:30:09 #corewars: < joonas> where di you try to post it to?
18:30:25 #corewars: < joonas> to the newsgroup or the corewar-l mailing list?
18:30:39 #corewars: < joonas> the latter has almost always worked for me.
18:31:07 #corewars: < CoreChild> I tried corewar-l
18:31:15 #corewars: < CoreChild> Fizmo tried via google groups
18:31:27 #corewars: < joonas> are you subscribed to corewar-l?  that might be a factor.
18:32:08 #corewars: < CoreChild> Neo has most of his warriors published on his Webpage, I didn't notice before
18:32:26 #corewars: < CoreChild> Erm, no I'm not actually :-)
18:32:35 #corewars: < CoreChild> Not at the address I tried to post from.
18:32:52 #corewars: < joonas> oh. you could try that then.
18:32:57 #corewars:  * bvowk returns
18:32:59 #corewars: < joonas> or if you want I could post it for you.
18:33:12 #corewars: < joonas> welcome back
18:34:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> Okay, thanks.  That would be really handy.
18:34:36 #corewars: < CoreChild> It will be about 6 weeks late though.
18:34:50 #corewars: < CoreChild> New one might be ready soon.  If I ever finish the scanner article!
18:35:33 #corewars: < joonas> could you send me CW88?
18:36:08 #corewars:  * CoreChild wonders if Christian is satisfied with the top of the LP hill.
18:36:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> I don't have it with me, I just find a copy
18:36:51 #corewars:  * bvowk bets not
18:37:03 #corewars: < CoreChild> http://www.corewar.info/corewarrior/cw/088.txt
18:37:13 #corewars: < joonas> ah, thanks.
18:38:44 #corewars: < CoreChild> Only 16 challenges to go Joonas :-)
18:40:42 #corewars: < joonas> ok. posted.
18:40:47 #corewars: < joonas> should appear in a few hours.
18:41:01 #corewars: < joonas> so so close. :)
18:41:19 #corewars: < joonas> was #2 over the holidays too.
18:43:01 #corewars: < CoreChild> Thanks Joonas
18:43:13 #corewars: < CoreChild> Erm, #2?
18:44:40 #corewars: < joonas> wasn't it?  must be wishful thinking on my part.
18:44:44 #corewars: < CoreChild> Fragility is 16th.  I remade it from what I remember, using only what I had available then.
18:45:17 #corewars: < CoreChild> Same test warriors.  No optimization.  Same Q^2, same stone and launcher and steps.
18:45:22 #corewars: < CoreChild> Boot distance may vary.
18:45:38 #corewars: < joonas> yup.. #2 on 18th Dec.
18:45:52 #corewars: < CoreChild> Not sure what you mean by #2
18:46:10 #corewars: < CoreChild> Oh, yes.  I saw that.
18:46:20 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hazy has been #1 recently too...
18:46:35 #corewars: < CoreChild> SoV hasn't been #1 for about 500 challenges...
18:46:52 #corewars:  * CoreChild has an exact record at home
18:47:31 #corewars: < joonas> hard times there for a while.
18:48:07 #corewars: < CoreChild> It looks certain to become the oldest ever...
18:48:27 #corewars: < joonas> wow... just saw the top of the LP hill
18:49:06 #corewars: < joonas> Christian owns 2/5ths of the LP hill. :)
18:49:15 #corewars: < CoreChild> Nice for Christian isn't it :-)
18:49:54 #corewars:  * bvowk is happy with his evolved warrior breaking age 25 :)
18:50:03 #corewars: < bvowk> (yes, I'm easily pleased)
18:51:20 #corewars:  * CoreChild is impressed with 38835-2156-cs-sdk-eve14
18:52:38 #corewars: < CoreChild> It would be nice to have a page containing CW tools in Java to use on line.
18:52:44 #corewars: < CoreChild> Optima, Impstep, etc.
18:53:16 #corewars: < joonas> what else?
18:53:30 #corewars: < CoreChild> Would be nice to have a copy of a web-based IRC program which points straight to #COREWARS on one too.
18:54:05 #corewars: < CoreChild> Not sure what else.  Those two would be most use to me at the moment.
18:54:16 #corewars: < CoreChild> Something to count how long a warrior is!
18:54:26 #corewars: < joonas> lol
18:54:27 #corewars: < joonas> yes.
18:54:35 #corewars: < CoreChild> I have to submit, see how many instructions over it is, then adjust and resubmit.
18:55:49 #corewars: < joonas> so something like a web-based front-end to pmars' assembler.
18:56:27 #corewars: < CoreChild> Is there anything new on Koenigstuhl this week, I don't seem to be able to access the page today.
18:56:45 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes, that would be handy.
18:57:25 #corewars: < joonas> ociw.edu is down for me too
18:57:33 #corewars: < CoreChild> Technically my time is up here (in the library on the computer)
18:57:46 #corewars: < CoreChild> But no-one has turned up yet so I may be okay for a few minutes.
18:57:58 #corewars: < CoreChild> Thanks.
19:00:24 #corewars: < CoreChild> I'm still here!
19:00:30 #corewars: < joonas> good
19:02:23 #corewars:  * grabek is back from office
19:02:33 #corewars: < grabek> No time to chat, but hello everyone
19:02:48 #corewars: < joonas> hi grabek
19:02:55 #corewars: < grabek> hi joonas 
19:03:09 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Lukasz.
19:03:16 #corewars: < joonas> how goes it in your part of the woods?
19:03:40 #corewars: < CoreChild> Or Fibonacci...
19:03:48 #corewars: < CoreChild> 1 1 2 ... 3 5 8
19:03:58 #corewars: < joonas> too early to tell
19:04:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> Squirrels in this part of the woods...
19:10:25 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. did you get the cw hill reports?
19:10:43 #corewars:  * CoreChild wishes the '88 hill would be a bit busier.
19:10:47 #corewars: < joonas> I'm getting a sudden increase in virii infected mail from tiscali
19:11:06 #corewars: < joonas> some girl called fran wants to infect my windows machine
19:11:19 #corewars: < CoreChild> Oh, I am seeking results for '88 hill, '94x hill and Multi hill prior to March 2003 if you can help :-)
19:11:52 #corewars:  * joonas doesn't have any warriors on those hills
19:11:54 #corewars: < CoreChild> I got load of infected mail.
19:12:12 #corewars: < CoreChild> I now automatically block any message over 50K
19:12:27 #corewars: < joonas> aha.  the hill reports were 1.1MB
19:12:40 #corewars: < CoreChild> By the way, if you sent those results to my Tiscali address, I hope they were <50K :-)
19:12:51 #corewars: < CoreChild> Oh :-(
19:13:10 #corewars:  * bvowk fehs
19:13:16 #corewars:  * grabek will submit 88 warrior then
19:13:25 #corewars: < joonas> I'll try the hotmail one then, shall I?
19:13:37 #corewars: < joonas> and compress them (~100K then=
19:13:41 #corewars: < CoreChild> Sorry, my fault.  I was thinking it might be 5 or 6 K
19:14:09 #corewars: < joonas> well I didn't bother sorting them in any way.
19:14:10 #corewars: < CoreChild> I've disabled the filter now.  If you don't mind, would you possibly resend it
19:14:16 #corewars: < joonas> right.
19:14:18 #corewars: < joonas> brb
19:14:36 #corewars: < CoreChild> Okay, compressed to either would be great. :-)
19:14:45 #corewars: < CoreChild> Thanks Lukasz.
19:14:57 #corewars: < CoreChild> Would you like my new '88 warrior to test against?
19:15:43 #corewars: < CoreChild> Preferably you will aim to split wins with it 50/50 ;-)
19:17:09 #corewars: < CoreChild> My '88 scanner uses the Zooom trick :-)
19:17:19 #corewars: < joonas> argh... another kernel vulnerability...
19:17:28 #corewars:  * bvowk mocks joonas
19:17:36 #corewars: < CoreChild> Linux?
19:17:36 #corewars: < bvowk> www.openbsd.org
19:18:27 #corewars: < joonas> linux
19:19:18 #corewars: < CoreChild> Thanks Joonas, it came through okay this time.
19:19:21 #corewars: < joonas> an obscure bug in mremap(2) that allows creation of pages zero bytes long that eventually allows gaining root.
19:22:31 #corewars: < CoreChild> Aren't there ever any harmless bugs in Linux?
19:22:59 #corewars: < bvowk> no
19:23:06 #corewars: < grabek> CoreChild: sure, send me your warrior
19:25:22 #corewars: < CoreChild> Okay...
19:26:32 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hmmm... not on this floppy :-/ I thought it was.
19:26:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> I'll send it tomorrow morning.
19:26:58 #corewars: < grabek> fine with me
19:29:40 #corewars: < CoreChild> Scores 45/45/10 against Freight Train. :-)
19:30:42 #corewars:  * CoreChild wonders what Steve's Scan Test is
19:32:13 #corewars: < CoreChild> Ah, time to go... Someone just arrived for this computer...
19:32:15 #corewars:  * CoreChild waves
19:32:20 #corewars: < CoreChild> See you tomorrow
19:32:22 #corewars: < joonas> bye
19:32:44 #corewars: < CoreChild> Cheers...
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19:43:14 #corewars: < grabek> So, joonas
19:43:32 #corewars: < joonas> yes?
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19:44:45 #corewars: < grabek> how is it goin'?
19:45:03 #corewars: < joonas> good, thanks for asking.
19:45:05 #corewars: < joonas> and you?
19:45:07 #corewars: < joonas> hi mizcu
19:45:16 #corewars: < Mizcu> someone answer to the newest post on rgc
19:45:32 #corewars:  * grabek has done it already
19:45:41 #corewars: < grabek> I have not provided links, however
19:45:52 #corewars: < grabek> fine, joonas. I wonder what you're up to recently...
19:45:55 #corewars: < Mizcu> ng-lag..
19:46:10 #corewars: < joonas> seasonal things mostly.
19:46:23 #corewars: < grabek> Job, school, women?
19:46:35 #corewars: < joonas> growing my belly.
19:47:07 #corewars: < joonas> too many rich foods this time of year.
19:47:23 #corewars: < Mizcu> grabek: "Valjean"'s post is the newest that googlegroup shows, are we talking about the same?
19:48:17 #corewars: < grabek> Yeah. Google updated every six hours. I answered 5 minutes ago.
19:48:22 #corewars: < grabek> Oh
19:48:25 #corewars: < grabek> Yeah, Xmas.
19:52:31 #corewars: < joonas> brb
20:04:54 #corewars: < joonas> say grabek, do you know how to derive Student's t distribution?
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20:14:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
20:14:05 #corewars: < Mizcu> Fizzie
20:14:13 #corewars: < Fizmo> terve
20:15:03 #corewars: < Fizmo> Happy new year, Joonas
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20:16:31 #corewars: < joonas> hi fizmo
20:16:36 #corewars: < joonas> to you too
20:16:41 #corewars: < joonas> and sascha, happy new year.
20:17:08 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Thx, how do you do ?
20:17:32 #corewars: < joonas> good.  fat. :)
20:18:05 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Hey Joonas, i have a programmer-question to you !
20:18:09 #corewars: < joonas> too many helpings over the holidays I'm afraid. :)
20:18:13 #corewars: < joonas> ok
20:18:57 #corewars: < Jeff_K> For given ABCDE you can calc the possible Kombination by !5
20:19:18 #corewars: < joonas> right. number of permutations.
20:19:51 #corewars: < Jeff_K> But how do you calc the number of different number for AAABBCCCCDEEEE but the ABCDE must be stable...nothing AABBCAABBEEDD
20:19:57 #corewars: < grabek> joonas: I know
20:20:05 #corewars: < grabek> The t-student distribution
20:20:43 #corewars: < joonas> jeff_k: I don't understand what you mean by stability
20:20:53 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Mom
20:21:00 #corewars: < Jeff_K> one moment please
20:21:32 #corewars: < joonas> grabek: can you point me towards a derivation from first principles?
20:21:52 #corewars: < grabek> erm
20:22:12 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, if you have for example 20 states which must always be A followed by B and so on
20:22:14 #corewars: < grabek> You know the calculus rules for multiple variable functions?
20:22:22 #corewars: < grabek> hi Fizmo Jeff_K 
20:22:27 #corewars: < joonas> grabek: yes.
20:22:32 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi grabek
20:23:03 #corewars: < grabek> So, random variable is called t-student variable if
20:23:09 #corewars: < Jeff_K> What i mean...If want all Kombination where s sequence ABCDE is stable...But the number of A's or B's can be different
20:23:19 #corewars: < Fizmo> But the numer of A's and B's in a row varies
20:23:19 #corewars: < grabek> T = \frac{Y}{\sqrt{Z/n}}
20:23:36 #corewars: < grabek> where Y has normal distribution (standard one)
20:23:48 #corewars: < grabek> and Z ~ \chi(n)
20:23:54 #corewars: < joonas> jeff_k: so all A's must come before all B's?
20:23:58 #corewars: < joonas> grabek: yes, go on.
20:24:01 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Yes
20:24:04 #corewars: < grabek> \chi^2(n), I mean,
20:24:18 #corewars: < grabek> Both are independent
20:24:27 #corewars: < Jeff_K> only limited by the sum of all example:
20:24:46 #corewars: < grabek> joonas: Now, all you have to is to calculate a function of two random variables
20:24:52 #corewars: < Jeff_K> I have ABC, and i want 10 states. So the first is ABCCCCCCCC
20:25:12 #corewars: < Jeff_K> the second can be ABBCCCCCCC and so on.
20:25:25 #corewars: < joonas> jeff_k: I see.
20:25:58 #corewars: < joonas> grabek: the trouble is, Z and Y aren't independent when Z is the sample mean and Y is the sample variance, right?
20:26:30 #corewars: < grabek> Then, it's not t-student distribution
20:27:09 #corewars:  * joonas is confused by grabek.
20:27:47 #corewars: < grabek> You mean?
20:28:28 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Fizmo and me want to create a p3-statetable optimizer, so i have to create the number of State and the strategies by an given Number
20:29:05 #corewars: < joonas> grabek: this statistics book I have is telling me that when X^ = sample mean and S^= sample variance, then t = X^/(S^ / sqrt(N)) is distributed like Student's t.
20:29:23 #corewars: < joonas> jeff_k: I see.  I'm digesting it.
20:29:23 #corewars: < grabek> It is the sample!
20:30:34 #corewars: < grabek> While for t-Student variable one has to divide normal variable (not sample)
20:30:39 #corewars: < grabek> and \chi^2...
20:31:01 #corewars: < joonas> jeff_k: what you want, I think, is P(N,M) := the number of ways to partition N into M parts.
20:31:22 #corewars: < Jeff_K> Yes that's it
20:32:03 #corewars: < joonas> jeff_k: not sure if there's a closed form solution, but I know there's a recursive definitions that's quite easy to program.
20:33:00 #corewars: < joonas> grabek: I'm still confused... are you saying that my t = X^/(S^ sqrt(N)) isn't distributed like Student's t?
20:33:31 #corewars: < Jeff_K> I have a recursive idea too, but it work's with the length of each partition and is very slow for 20 or more States, so i hope there is an faster method to calculate
20:34:13 #corewars: < grabek> What exactly is X^?
20:35:01 #corewars: < joonas> jeff_k: you can use dynamic programming to speed it up by saving previously computed P(N,M)'s in a table.
20:35:45 #corewars: < joonas> X^= 1/N \sum_i x_i; where x_i are independently drawn samples of a normal distribution.
20:35:55 #corewars: < Jeff_K> That's impossible, because i work with Perl and the p3-generator will be called by the do-statement which loads the source every time its invoked
20:36:19 #corewars: < joonas> ah... I think you're out of luck then.
20:36:35 #corewars: < grabek> Ouch
20:36:50 #corewars: < joonas> jeff_k: but why do you need P(N,M) again?
20:36:54 #corewars: < grabek> I don't think both variables are independent then...
20:37:01 #corewars: < joonas> grabek: exactly my concern
20:37:05 #corewars: < grabek> Thus it cannot be t-student variable
20:38:23 #corewars: < joonas> grabek: well that's what I wondered about.  but since this is a introductory text they don't actually derive student's t.
20:38:28 #corewars: < joonas> or anything else for that matter.
20:39:02 #corewars: < joonas> it's utterly depressing.
20:39:41 #corewars: < grabek> Wait, joonas 
20:41:56 #corewars: < grabek> dmoz.org/Science/Math/Publications/Online_Texts/
20:42:03 #corewars: < grabek> http://dmoz.org/Science/Math/Publications/Online_Texts/
20:42:07 #corewars: < grabek> Try this link...
20:42:45 #corewars: < joonas> thanks.
20:43:17 #corewars: < grabek> seems not to work :-(
20:58:10 #corewars: < grabek> Actually, the student distribution on Wolfram's site is defined as you provided...
20:58:32 #corewars: < joonas> yes.
20:58:59 #corewars: < joonas> it refers to Student's z-distribution, but the latter page doesn't actually explain anything.
20:59:26 #corewars: < joonas> I found Student's article in Biometrika though.
20:59:35 #corewars: < joonas> (love JSTOR)
20:59:58 #corewars: < joonas> reading it now
21:02:08 #corewars: < joonas> hm.. in the intro he says that he will show that the sample variance and sample mean have "no kind of correlation" between them
21:06:40 #corewars: < joonas> bbl
21:12:58 #corewars:  * bvowk rattles joonas
21:22:24 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi bvowk. Congrats, your evolved warriors are getting stronger also on the LP hill
21:23:40 #corewars: < bvowk> I'm pretty impressed with my progress...
21:23:49 #corewars: < bvowk> I don't think you're in any danger any time soon tho
21:24:21 #corewars: < Fizmo> I am wondering what it could be, because it can nicely kill everything except my warriors :-)
21:24:40 #corewars: < bvowk> I actually don't have a clue, I've never even run them myself to see
21:25:00 #corewars: < Fizmo> I'll send you soon my LP warriors for your evolving
21:25:13 #corewars: < bvowk> schweet :)
21:25:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> probably next week, because most of them I've made at work ;-)
21:26:04 #corewars: < bvowk> heh
21:26:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> and this week I have holiday
21:26:09 #corewars: < Mizcu> Interesting how they get beaten badly by IKILLU, though IK'U is  -   eh..  -  Beginners warrior.
21:26:29 #corewars: < bvowk> yeah, its kinda ironic huh ?:)
21:26:49 #corewars: < Mizcu> you can't have it all
21:27:00 #corewars: < bvowk> maybe he just has better beginners luck than my athlons do :)
21:27:36 #corewars: < Fizmo> :-)
21:32:45 #corewars:  * bvowk thinks there should be a perl port for palmos
21:45:10 #corewars: < joonas> Interesing tidbit in Student's paper: "Before I had succeeded in solving my problem analytically, I had endeavoured to do so empirically. The material used was a [..] table containing the height and left middle finger measurements of 3000 criminals[..]"
21:45:50 #corewars: < Fizmo> :-)
21:53:35 #corewars: < Mizcu> Hmm, what type of warrior is missing from sal-b?  (It seems i have an mission to fill b-hill with warriors to make it "mature"-hill faster)
21:55:03 #corewars: < joonas> Another tidbit: "Mr. Hooker has shown that the yield of wheat in one year is largely determined by the weather during the preceding harvest."
21:56:28 #corewars: < joonas> miz: oneshots?
21:56:47 #corewars: < Mizcu> too obvious <g>
21:56:59 #corewars: < Mizcu> i dont know about sending one there now
21:58:09 #corewars: < Mizcu> the hill is so paper-filled that it would jump straight to the top
21:58:14 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, I could send my hopping scanner to the b-hill
22:05:05 #corewars: < Mizcu> I could then "debug" pebble and send it and we'll have 3 pap, 3 scan, 2 stone, 1 "test3", and lachi's bunch of (replicating bombers?)
22:08:48 #corewars: < Fizmo> hmm, Koen is still down
22:16:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> So, I can't download it :-/
22:17:16 #corewars: < Mizcu> darnit
22:17:37 #corewars: < joonas> getting late here.  bye
22:17:43 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye
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22:18:20 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hey, it is on Planar's Page :)
22:18:26 #corewars: < Fizmo> Repliscan
22:19:33 #corewars: < Fizmo> should get one of the lower spots on 94b
22:21:07 #corewars: < Fizmo> ok, sent
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22:27:46 #corewars: < Mizcu> interesting, it loses to some of lachi's
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22:31:27 #corewars: < Fizmo> and ties against a simple imp ;-)
22:34:49 #corewars: < Mizcu> does it just troll when finding something, or actually copies the whole scanner?
22:36:05 #corewars: < Fizmo> it copies the hole scanner
22:36:18 #corewars: < Fizmo> http://para.inria.fr/~doligez/corewar/rc/Repliscan.txt
22:37:21 #corewars: < Fizmo> uhmm, well, i was wrong its a self-replicating scanner
22:39:30 #corewars: < Mizcu> add a checksum in it and send again :)
22:41:07 #corewars: < Fizmo> Well, it isn't a good piece of code. I think one could do it better
22:43:14 #corewars: < Fizmo> Just move the pointer, so I don't need to reset him, etc.
22:44:08 #corewars: < Fizmo> And maybe copy first some dat's before copying the code otherwise one has the problem, that the opponent is using your code
23:03:14 #corewars: < Mizcu> starting the copy ~10 lines before self, thus overwriting oppenent and swapping position
23:11:34 #corewars:  * Jeff_K goes to bed. 
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23:16:38 #corewars:  * Fizmo goes to bed, too
23:16:40 #corewars: < Fizmo> bye
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