--- Log opened Sat Jan 03 00:00:05 2004
****NEW DAY****
00:00:05 #corewars: < grabek> Mail me your ideas for warriors. I've run out them.
00:00:08 #corewars: < grabek> ;-)
00:00:22 #corewars: < Fizmo> My son likes NfS 3 :)
00:00:46 #corewars: < grabek> Oh
00:01:02 #corewars: < Fizmo> hmm, I'll have a look what I have
00:01:02 #corewars: < grabek> D'you have a wriving wheel?
00:01:27 #corewars: < grabek> lol
00:01:27 #corewars: < grabek> driving
00:01:27 #corewars: < Fizmo> no, just keyboard, joystick or joypad
00:02:01 #corewars: < grabek> oh
00:02:01 #corewars: < grabek> Well, I can learn how to do it.
00:02:01 #corewars: < grabek> Anyway, nice seeing you and good night. I have to go.
00:02:01 #corewars: < Fizmo> the driving wheel is broken :-/
00:02:04 #corewars:  * Fizmo waves
00:02:11 #corewars: < Fizmo> good night
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00:04:29 #corewars: < sascha> Hi fizmo
00:04:42 #corewars: < Fizmo> Hi Sascha
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01:52:19 #corewars:  * sascha waves to all redcoders.
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06:32:20 #corewars: < bvowk> hrm
06:32:27 #corewars: < bvowk> does nobody actually come herE?
07:30:45 #corewars: < bvowk> (beside me?
07:30:46 #corewars: < bvowk> )
10:39:46 #corewars: < grabek> no
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10:58:23 #corewars: < grabek> Ohoho and the bottle of rum
10:59:30 #corewars: < willvarfa> good morning lukasz
11:00:10 #corewars: < willvarfa> brb
11:11:25 #corewars: < grabek> good morning willvarfa 
11:11:43 #corewars: < willvarfa> ah, good morning
11:11:45 #corewars: < willvarfa> are you CET?
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11:16:01 #corewars: < grabek> I am
11:16:10 #corewars: < grabek> +/- one hour
11:16:26 #corewars: < will_varf> :-)
11:16:33 #corewars: < grabek> it is like: when it is 11 pm in London it is midnight here
11:16:35 #corewars: < grabek> (IIRC!)
11:16:40 #corewars: < will_varf> so it is now 11:18
11:16:49 #corewars: < grabek> Yes, exactly
11:17:17 #corewars: < grabek> Have you seen Return of foo-shmoo?
11:17:50 #corewars: < will_varf> nope, what kind of thing is it?
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11:18:40 #corewars: < grabek> Jakson's movie. Return of the King?
11:21:26 #corewars: < will_varf> ?
11:21:58 #corewars: < grabek> Oh, shacks, the third part of the trilogy. Frodo, the ring, wizard, things...
11:22:11 #corewars: < will_varf> oh rightio, then the answer is no
11:22:17 #corewars: < will_varf> (still haven't seen the second either)
11:22:19 #corewars: < will_varf> is it good?
11:24:16 #corewars: < grabek> no
11:24:19 #corewars: < grabek> it sucks!
11:24:54 #corewars: < grabek> Frodo and Sam behave like gays.
11:26:25 #corewars: < grabek> (not that I find gays filthy)
11:27:22 #corewars: < will_varf> oh rightio
11:27:26 #corewars: < will_varf> best missed then :-)
11:27:31 #corewars: < will_varf> seen finding nemo?
11:27:46 #corewars: < grabek> No
11:27:51 #corewars: < grabek> And I do regret that
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11:47:45 #corewars: < willvarfa> nemo is cool
11:47:51 #corewars: < willvarfa> (but I thought monsters inc was better)
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11:50:53 #corewars: < willvarfa> brb
12:06:06 #corewars: < willvarfa> time to run; might be around this afternoon a bit
12:06:11 #corewars:  * willvarfa *waves*
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12:49:58 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi
12:52:01 #corewars: < CoreChild> New warrior on Koenigstuhl... nice place Roy
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13:10:34 #corewars: < willvarfa> hello john
13:14:38 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Will
13:14:50 #corewars: < CoreChild> I'm at the library again
13:17:05 #corewars: < CoreChild> I've been trying to rewrite a warrior I wrote 6 years ago
13:17:15 #corewars: < CoreChild> (from memory)
13:19:05 #corewars: < willvarfa> cool :-)
13:19:45 #corewars: < CoreChild> It just made it onto the very bottom of the '94nop hill... :-/
13:19:59 #corewars: < CoreChild> I could do better if I optimized it
13:20:08 #corewars: < willvarfa> optimized?
13:20:21 #corewars: < CoreChild> But I know I never optimized the original, so that would be cheating
13:20:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> I mean crunch lots of steps / distances
13:21:31 #corewars: < willvarfa> so basically, you take a 6 year old warrior, from memory, without optimisations, and it gets straight into the 94nop?  And you pull a :-/ face????
13:22:03 #corewars:  * willvarfa thinks CoreChild should be puffing out his chest instead
13:22:15 #corewars: < willvarfa> hmm, interesting that age bit though
13:22:44 #corewars: < willvarfa> conventional wisdom says that the hills are much stronger now than they were 6 years ago; what do you think?
13:23:13 #corewars: < CoreChild> I suppose you are right. :-)
13:23:39 #corewars: < CoreChild> It does have a Q^2 rather than a Q^4
13:25:16 #corewars: < CoreChild> I would say the range of warriors which have a chance on the hill has narrowed in the last 6 years.
13:25:32 #corewars: < CoreChild> One which scored well then may score well now.
13:28:43 #corewars: < willvarfa> do you think the dynamics of a hill rotate between the 'three poles'?
13:29:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> Three poles being paper / scissors / stone?
13:30:04 #corewars: < willvarfa> yeap
13:30:30 #corewars: < willvarfa> (although I am not convinced there are only 3 poles; my stats show rather more subtle ones made from combinations; and what is an imp too?)
13:32:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> An imp just reduces wins.
13:34:01 #corewars: < willvarfa> well generally yes
13:34:04 #corewars: < willvarfa> imp spirals?
13:34:28 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes.
13:34:52 #corewars: < CoreChild> A decent scanner wouldn't be killed by an imp spiral
13:35:18 #corewars: < CoreChild> There are not many scanners with seperate clears.
13:35:32 #corewars: < CoreChild> Placing the clear elsewhere in core is a good idea.
13:35:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> With a jump at the end of the scanner to the clear.
13:35:51 #corewars: < CoreChild> Much better against spirals.
13:36:16 #corewars: < willvarfa> that requires booting etc?
13:36:23 #corewars: < CoreChild> If over-run, the process from the scanners reaches the jump, and jumps safely away to the clear.
13:36:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> Well, you can boot it, or you can just place 50 or so DAT 0,0 inbetween
13:37:41 #corewars: < CoreChild> Nearly time to go.
13:37:55 #corewars: < willvarfa> shame
13:38:31 #corewars: < CoreChild> :-/
13:38:58 #corewars: < CoreChild> I think I'm missing some challenge results from my log.
13:39:13 #corewars: < CoreChild> I need '94nop results for Hazy Lazy aged 991 to 993.
13:39:26 #corewars: < CoreChild> (from when my email account was down)
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13:42:30 #corewars: < will_varf> I don't have any warriors on the hills (and never had had :-( )
13:42:46 #corewars: < CoreChild> :-/
13:42:55 #corewars: < CoreChild> You should try some of the other hills.
13:43:12 #corewars: < CoreChild> '94 / '94nop are not so interesting.
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13:43:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> Lots of computer optimized warriors.
13:43:31 #corewars: < CoreChild> LP is interesting.
13:43:49 #corewars: < CoreChild> You can keep track of what all you processes are doing and when.
13:44:21 #corewars: < CoreChild> '88 is interesting too.  The warrior types which are dominating '94 aren't so strong.
13:44:40 #corewars: < will_varf> 88 is interesting; the instruction set is 'purer'
13:44:52 #corewars: < CoreChild> Multi is fun.  Anything is worth trying...  No point optimizing.
13:45:09 #corewars: < CoreChild> Have a go at 88 then.
13:45:19 #corewars: < CoreChild> Right, time to go I'm afraid... Time's up
13:45:53 #corewars: < CoreChild> Scanners can be good in '88
13:45:57 #corewars:  * CoreChild waves
13:46:55 #corewars: < CoreChild> Back on Monday
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13:47:23 #corewars:  * will_varf waved
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14:01:10 #corewars: < will_varf> hello roy
14:05:28 #corewars: < Roy> hi
14:05:45 #corewars: < Roy> argh, SAL still not working :(
14:08:07 #corewars: < will_varf> :-(
14:10:45 #corewars: < Roy> Now I can't test my latest warrior for the tournament :(
14:13:43 #corewars: < will_varf> how goes the tournement?
14:16:01 #corewars: < Roy> I have no idea, there where a lot of tests on the test hill
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14:30:32 #corewars: < sascha> Hi Roy, Devilstick scores fine on NOP what are the ingredencies ?
14:31:02 #corewars: < Roy> Its just another improved version of Dawn!
14:31:22 #corewars: < sascha> Fine stuff...Any ideas for Frenzy ?
14:32:43 #corewars: < sascha> I have started with the 0.6 of optimax..Any errors appeared..?
14:34:06 #corewars: < Roy> No, haven't used it too much though
14:34:26 #corewars: < Roy> Frenzy ideas -> scanning -> qscans, lots of HUGE warriors compared tot he core
14:35:14 #corewars: < sascha> qscans...? With such big enemys qscan seems to be not a good idea...I will try huge qbomber-parts
14:36:12 #corewars: < sascha> with 3c bombing you can color up to each 10th corecell
14:39:09 #corewars: < Roy> Heh, but wou
14:39:14 #corewars: < Roy> you'll be a huge target
14:39:24 #corewars: < Roy> Maybe a small scanner can do very well
14:39:29 #corewars: < Roy> 10/12 lines
14:40:09 #corewars: < sascha> First Boot and start the mainwarriors and parallel qbombers...
14:40:42 #corewars: < sascha> Main Warrior can be a d-clear that clear at first the qbomber-section
14:41:23 #corewars: < Roy> Nice, that IS a good idea, paralel
14:41:53 #corewars: < willvarfa> quick check; rnd15 allows pspace right?
14:42:45 #corewars: < sascha> Yes, i thing Zul's entry are using PIN like hell ;-)
14:43:15 #corewars: < willvarfa> so is this a multi-warrior battle round?
14:43:28 #corewars: < sascha> No, one on one...
14:43:53 #corewars: < Roy> Zul is dangueous :(
14:43:56 #corewars: < sascha> But he has Master and slave testet in the alternatiov hills
14:44:01 #corewars: < willvarfa> so PIN is for selffights?
14:44:16 #corewars: < sascha> PIN is for effektiv handshaking
14:44:51 #corewars: < Roy> selffights yes
14:45:05 #corewars: < sascha> Without PIN you can handshake over süpecial Bombing patterns or color, but with PIN you can communicate 
14:45:37 #corewars: < Roy> But still, maybe small is they key
14:46:13 #corewars: < sascha> Sorry, have to go...
14:46:16 #corewars:  * sascha waves
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14:46:41 #corewars: < Roy> they=the
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19:47:19 #corewars: < bvowk> *blink*
19:49:03 #corewars: < bvowk> anybody around?
19:51:12 #corewars: < bvowk> there *WAS* someone around..
19:51:20 #corewars: < bvowk> now there is noone :(
--- Log closed Sun Jan 04 00:00:45 2004