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06:09:25 #corewars: < bvowk_> sals down :/
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10:46:49 #corewars: < willvarfa> howdy folks
10:46:53 #corewars: < willvarfa> happy new year!
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16:50:43 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi
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16:54:26 #corewars: < sascha> Somebody online, or just loggers ?
16:56:36 #corewars: < sascha> O.K. happy new year alltogether...Did you know that CW has got it's 20th birthday in this year ?
16:57:16 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Sascha
16:57:24 #corewars: < sascha> Hi, John?
16:57:39 #corewars: < CoreChild> Sorry, I wasn't paying much attention... reading my email.
16:57:48 #corewars:  * CoreChild wishes everyone a happy new year.
16:57:55 #corewars: < sascha> \me too
16:58:00 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes, it's John
16:58:29 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes, 20th birthday.
16:58:44 #corewars: < CoreChild> We must use the opportunity to promote Corewar ;-)
16:58:48 #corewars: < will__var> hello folks!
16:58:58 #corewars: < sascha> Yes, but how to do this..
16:59:01 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Will.
16:59:09 #corewars: < CoreChild> Wow, now we have a gathering!
16:59:43 #corewars: < sascha> Did you know the exact date?
16:59:51 #corewars:  * CoreChild wishes more players would try the alternative hills.
17:00:01 #corewars: < sascha> They are down for one day
17:00:08 #corewars: < CoreChild> They aren't so tough as the '94 / '94nop hills
17:00:17 #corewars: < will__var> yet?
17:00:44 #corewars: < sascha> They are very young.
17:00:59 #corewars: < CoreChild> The hills are down?
17:01:02 #corewars: < sascha> It will take some time to work with the new specs
17:01:04 #corewars: < CoreChild> The SAL hills?
17:01:07 #corewars: < sascha> Yes
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17:01:33 #corewars: < CoreChild> I added your tiny warriors to the infinite tiny hill Sascha.  They score well...
17:01:44 #corewars: < sascha> i have looked yesterday evening. Since this time they are diown. 
17:01:51 #corewars: < sascha> Which warriors...Curly?
17:01:55 #corewars: < CoreChild> (unfortunately it isn't online, and won't be until I can get a net connection from home)
17:02:03 #corewars: < CoreChild> Or a new place to put my site.
17:02:28 #corewars: < CoreChild> Erm... looking
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17:04:15 #corewars: < CoreChild> Sorry, can't see which one.
17:04:26 #corewars: < sascha> O.K. never mind..
17:04:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> You made a oneshot though, right?
17:04:43 #corewars: < sascha> I'm collectiing some warriors for a 94tourney benchmark...
17:05:04 #corewars: < CoreChild> Ah good, you are entering this round :-)
17:05:15 #corewars:  * CoreChild too, just haven't got much yet.
17:05:38 #corewars: < sascha> Yes, but it's hard to optimize 50 Warrioirs against each other to get an good hill to optimize against it!
17:07:08 #corewars: < sascha> After optizimng i try to fit the qscan from 8000 to 8192..i think for that i can use myfactor from LG
17:07:41 #corewars: < sascha> I hope i get ready before 10/01/2004
17:07:48 #corewars: < CoreChild> I've just taken some normal 8000 warriors and given them steps for 8192 to test against.
17:08:16 #corewars: < sascha> Yeah..And the imps from 2667 to 2731 ;-)
17:08:16 #corewars:  * CoreChild won't be using a q-scan
17:08:27 #corewars: < CoreChild> The enemy can be up to 300 instructions.
17:08:43 #corewars: < will_varf> is a qscan too slow?
17:08:44 #corewars: < sascha> Fine for qscan 
17:09:00 #corewars: < will_varf> by the time you've begun hitting the 300, the enemy has booted?
17:09:11 #corewars: < CoreChild> That is a large area to have to bomb.  Maybe taking 80 cycles. 
17:09:24 #corewars: < CoreChild> The enemy will have booted by then...
17:09:50 #corewars: < sascha> So better use a big qbomb-part ?
17:09:53 #corewars: < CoreChild> I will just have a big decoy I think.
17:10:17 #corewars: < sascha> Active decoy with enough stp's inside
17:10:36 #corewars: < CoreChild> Maybe several parallel qbomb parts (so a single hit won't kill it)
17:10:39 #corewars: < will_varf> ah sascha, a good idea?  make the qscan one of the pcomponents?
17:10:54 #corewars: < CoreChild> And the first one to complete enters the boot code, the rest suicide
17:12:03 #corewars: < sascha> John is right...Parallel qbomber...
17:12:10 #corewars: < CoreChild> My dad is making a website :-)
17:12:29 #corewars:  * CoreChild might make a big p-spacer.
17:12:54 #corewars: < CoreChild> With about 25 components!
17:13:29 #corewars: < sascha> I would like to see your statetable ;-)
17:14:33 #corewars: < CoreChild> :-) Still only get about 19 or 20 states :-/ (with P^3)
17:14:58 #corewars: < sascha> switch on loss or tie
17:17:21 #corewars: < sascha> Find the 300er with q-scan and then try to bomb over the bomb-pointer's
17:17:44 #corewars: < sascha> Or somethin like tablescan..?
17:20:16 #corewars: < sascha> Sorry, have to go...Baby's crying...
17:20:21 #corewars:  * sascha waves
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17:20:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> :-/
17:20:45 #corewars:  * CoreChild waves
17:21:25 #corewars: < CoreChild> Actually, you could find the enemy with a qscan then do a binary-type search to find the two ends.
17:21:46 #corewars: < CoreChild> Then bomb near the ends first.
17:22:44 #corewars: < CoreChild> Did you see Christian is planning a new year IRCT this sunday?
17:23:56 #corewars: < will_varf> is he?  /me will endeveour to attend!!
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17:38:00 #corewars: < CoreChild> A super tiny hill would be nice.
17:38:32 #corewars: < CoreChild> Coresize=80 or 100.  Maxlength = probably 8
17:38:52 #corewars: < CoreChild> Ideal for complete newbies?
17:41:24 #corewars:  * CoreChild wishes there would be a bit more activity on the '88 hill
17:43:06 #corewars: < CoreChild> Okay, important question:   (for me)
17:43:24 #corewars: < CoreChild> I have a web site..
17:43:36 #corewars: < CoreChild> http://www.mysite.com/index.htm
17:43:49 #corewars: < will__var> very small core, short length would be great; that is the kind of warrior I tend to think about
17:43:55 #corewars: < grabek> Hi!
17:43:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> and another file is http://www.mysite.com/subdir/index.htm
17:44:07 #corewars: < CoreChild> the second page wants to link back to the first.
17:44:17 #corewars: < will__var> hello grabek!  happy new year everyone btw!!
17:44:23 #corewars: < grabek> hello will__var & CoreChild 
17:44:33 #corewars: < CoreChild> Is it okay to use <a href="../index.htm"> ?
17:44:36 #corewars: < CoreChild> Hi Lukasz.
17:44:46 #corewars: < will__var> CoreChild: <a href="../index.htm">back</a> would work, yeap
17:44:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> Feliz Ano Novo!
17:45:15 #corewars: < grabek> Erm
17:45:22 #corewars: < grabek> Szczesliwego Nowego Roku
17:45:41 #corewars: < CoreChild> So ../index.htm is an acceptable way to do it, good.
17:46:01 #corewars: < CoreChild> And if it is two directories back, can I use .../index.htm or must I use ../../index.htm
17:46:14 #corewars: < grabek> The latter
17:46:34 #corewars: < CoreChild> (I wan't to avoid putting the actual domain name on the pages in case it ever moves)
17:46:55 #corewars: < CoreChild> Thanks.
17:48:18 #corewars: < grabek> 88 hill, you say?
17:48:19 #corewars: < CoreChild> Once I have a good CW site and we encourage some new players, I will open a CW merchandise webstore!
17:48:25 #corewars: < grabek> lol
17:48:35 #corewars: < grabek> Somehow, things are quiet recently, now?
17:48:40 #corewars: < grabek> now EQU no
17:48:44 #corewars: < CoreChild> Coffee Mug, T-Shirt, Baseball Cap, Stationery, etc.
17:49:04 #corewars: < CoreChild> Yes, pretty quiet.
17:49:20 #corewars:  * CoreChild hasn't written much though. (apart from a new '88 scanner)
17:49:39 #corewars: < CoreChild> Lukasz, do you have any old challenges results lurking about?
17:49:48 #corewars: < grabek> I still can't improve on HH/TS; not many tries however
17:50:01 #corewars: < CoreChild> Prior to April 2003.  Any hill except nop / draft
17:50:12 #corewars: < grabek> No, I don't think so; regulary I wipe my KOTH mailbox
17:50:27 #corewars: < CoreChild> :-/
17:50:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> I wish to extend my logs back as far as possible.
17:50:58 #corewars: < CoreChild> I wish I had kept more.
17:51:08 #corewars: < grabek> I wish I had new ideas :/
17:53:11 #corewars: < CoreChild> Ah yes
17:53:24 #corewars: < CoreChild> New ideas are hard to come by
17:53:39 #corewars: < CoreChild> Twins!
17:53:43 #corewars: < CoreChild> Paper / twin stone
17:53:47 #corewars: < CoreChild> Twin stone / imp
17:53:55 #corewars: < grabek> What's twin stone, anyway?
17:53:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> Twin stone / twin imp
17:54:00 #corewars: < CoreChild> Twin scanners
17:54:11 #corewars: < CoreChild> Scanner / single process bomber (in parallel)
17:54:19 #corewars: < CoreChild> Twin Vamp
17:54:26 #corewars: < CoreChild> I just mean two stones.
17:54:40 #corewars: < CoreChild> Or, how about imp launcher and stone in one loop
17:55:28 #corewars: < CoreChild> Or a paper which after a certain length of time, all copies of the paper jump to a clear.
17:55:29 #corewars: < grabek> Hm
17:55:32 #corewars: < CoreChild> D-clear
17:55:49 #corewars: < grabek> It is more like I have ideas but I don't feel like implementing/tweaking on them
17:55:59 #corewars: < CoreChild> Vamp/Imp was successful in '88.  Why not '94?
17:56:08 #corewars: < CoreChild> Incendiary imp isn't seen very often.
17:56:29 #corewars: < CoreChild> Airbag bomber / imp with fixed number of processes?
17:56:30 #corewars: < grabek> Maybe it's time for retire, indeed...
17:56:31 #corewars: < grabek> *sigh*
17:56:56 #corewars: < CoreChild> An airbag loop that is 5 instructions long would usually have 6 processes.
17:57:10 #corewars: < CoreChild> But 11 or 16 or 21 etc would work too
17:57:35 #corewars: < CoreChild> It's never time to retire.
17:57:46 #corewars: < CoreChild> You can always write about Corewar.
17:57:54 #corewars: < CoreChild> Or translate what others have written
18:02:00 #corewars: < CoreChild> Core Wars is featured in Strange Facts http://www.sonic.net/~erikh/strangefacts.html
18:02:06 #corewars: < CoreChild> Just a brief mention
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18:06:47 #corewars:  * CoreChild is at the library, and it will be closing in 5 minutes.
18:06:57 #corewars: < CoreChild> So I will be disappearing soon.
18:08:23 #corewars: < grabek> *puff*
18:08:26 #corewars: < grabek> :-)
18:11:42 #corewars: < CoreChild> Okay, they are about to throw us out...
18:11:43 #corewars: < grabek> BTW:
18:11:45 #corewars:  * CoreChild waves
18:11:51 #corewars: < grabek> I am going to see LOTR today
18:11:52 #corewars:  * grabek waves
18:11:55 #corewars: < grabek> *sigh*
18:11:59 #corewars: < grabek> Bye, John, see you later
18:12:11 #corewars:  * CoreChild hasn't seen it yet/
18:12:17 #corewars:  * CoreChild waves
18:12:32 #corewars:  * will_varf waves too
18:12:52 #corewars: < grabek> Catch you later
18:13:11 #corewars: < CoreChild> I don't think I will make it to the IRCT on Sunday.
18:13:19 #corewars: < CoreChild> Tricky, no access at home :-/
18:13:25 #corewars:  * CoreChild waves one last time
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18:13:38 #corewars: < grabek> IRCT, *sigh*
18:16:01 #corewars: < will_varf> IRCT, about time!
18:23:06 #corewars: < grabek> LOL
18:23:22 #corewars: < grabek> I can't recall the last tournament was held
18:27:57 #corewars: < will_varf> me neither; been AWOL a while
18:28:06 #corewars: < will_varf> it'll be good if they get back into their stride
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19:40:16 #corewars: < bvowk_> hrm
19:40:23 #corewars:  * bvowk_ rattles everyone to wake someone up
20:03:26 #corewars:  * bvowk_ rattles everyone violently!
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23:40:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> hi
23:56:48 #corewars: < grabek> hi
23:56:54 #corewars:  * grabek is back from LotR
23:57:06 #corewars: < Fizmo> LotR?
23:57:33 #corewars: < grabek> Lord of the Rings?
23:58:20 #corewars: < Fizmo> Yeah, I'll go with my wife in two week to LotR. Because we need a babysitter
23:58:55 #corewars: < grabek> Oh, I can look after your kid ;-)
23:59:46 #corewars: < Fizmo> only if you're a good driver in Need for Speed 3 :-)
23:59:54 #corewars: < grabek> Time for brushing my teeth. Good night.
23:59:57 #corewars: < grabek> Oh
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